#1
I've been trying to build up a serious guitar collection recently and, well, I'm a bit stuck...

My goal is to have top-of-range guitars of all varieties a humbucker guitar, a single coil, an acoustic, a 12-string acoustic, a 7-string electric, a bass, etc. you know what I mean. I also plan on getting a serious tube amp(s).

I just ticked off the humbucker from my list in the form of a Gibson SG Diablo, but I don't know where to go from here. I was thinking that the fully-tubed amp stack would be the best choice, because I don't see a point in collecting all these great guitars and still only playing them through my Vox AD50VT, much as I love that amp.

Of course, the amp stack is probably going to be the most expensive item to check off, and it'll take a lot of time saving up some money after the amount I blew on my most recent purchase! Which is why I was thinking of going ahead and spending my money on a really good acoustic to keep me happy (because the one I have now is terrible).

Your thoughts?
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#3
for getting a marshall, i would buy a ceriatone.

they do marshall's better than marshall does marshalls.

i've said marshall way too often.

http://www.ceriatone.com/


sneakybottomedit: as for the idea of the thing, i think most guitarists have that idea also. i know that when i get a house and start a family and whatnot, i plan on having a music room, which include a few top-end or sentimental guitars and amps, a bass or two, and my families steinway, plus any other instruments.
#4
IF you want an acoustic check out the Martin D-16gt. Or if you the extra cash, a straight D-16. Great guitars. Or if you have the super extra cash, maybe even a higher level martin.

and for a stack. Check out Orange. They do marshall better than Ceriatone and Marshall, and they almost have as good cleans as some fenders. Almost.
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#5
I just purchae a Marshall amplifier and wanted one for 40 years. It sounds very good for the type of music I play. I bought the MG model and it is nice and was expensive to the tune of 600.00 plus tax but when you want it for so long it is very good to purchase it.
#8
It's ok guys, I don't need advice on what to buy - I'm more looking for advice on when to buy, if you get me.

I actually have most of the gear I'm after set in my head (Orange stack, Fender Jaguar, etc.).

So yeh, judging by what you guys are saying, I should keep my money and save it towards the stack?
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#9
Quote by Skierinanutshel
although i do not agree with your first statement, i do agree on this.



It's subjective. I used to prefer marshall. Then I switched to Orange. Now I'm somewhere in the middle. Marshall+orange cab is pretty sweet.
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#10
Quote by Artemis Entreri
IF you want an acoustic, check out the Martin D-16gt. Or, if you have the extra cash, a straight D-16. These are gGreat guitars. Or, if you have the super extra cash, maybe, even a higher-level mMartin.

aAnd for a stack., Ccheck out Orange. They do mMarshalls better than Ceriatone and Marshall, and they almost have as good cleans as some fFenders. Almost.

*fixed*

Last edited by Ippon at Dec 7, 2008,
#11
I'm just an old timer who been away for a long time and grew up with Marshall being what we wanted. To relasize a dream or goal is a good thing but this was pricey and i will pay for the next 2 years or more.
#12
Quote by Artemis Entreri
It's subjective. I used to prefer marshall. Then I switched to Orange. Now I'm somewhere in the middle. Marshall+orange cab is pretty sweet.


now that, i do agree on. i find their cabs to be amazingly well built.

and yes, i would say stock up on the monies. keep them saved, accrue interest, perhaps make an account (locked on taking money out over a long period of time, but with a higher interest) solely for the purpose of buying gear later on.
#13
I think if you're not gigging/playing your amps LOUD then you're going to struggle to get a good sound out of a half stack. I'd reccommend an orange tiny terror and a 112 cab if you're adamant on getting a valve amp. They sound amazing, they're cheap and they're pretty damn loud, but they're only 15W so they sound good at low levels.
#15
Quote by Ippon
*fixed*




I wasn't aware that I was writing an essay for my AP English class, but ok. If you're referring to my sig, I correct mistakes like "your cool" "to many" and "alot."

I think if you're not gigging/playing your amps LOUD then you're going to struggle to get a good sound out of a half stack. I'd reccommend an orange tiny terror and a 112 cab if you're adamant on getting a valve amp. They sound amazing, they're cheap and they're pretty damn loud, but they're only 15W so they sound good at low levels.


I would agree with this, except that he says he's a collector.
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#16
Well, a "budding" collector.

While I am adamant about getting a valve amp, I didn't know that about playing them low volume. I have gigged and plan on gigging again, but of course I would rather something that's practical for home use too.
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#17
Quote by Artemis Entreri

I would agree with this, except that he says he's a collector.

True, but from what he's saying, he sounds like he's a collector that plays too, and to me it would be a little pointless getting a valve amp that i couldn't really use. His choice, but i'd go tiny terror, i think that might in fact be my next amp choice
#18
Quote by Yerjam
Well, a "budding" collector.

While I am adamant about getting a valve amp, I didn't know that about playing them low volume. I have gigged and plan on gigging again, but of course I would rather something that's practical for home use too.



Ah, so if you weren't aware that tube amps need to be played loud, I would definitely recommend getting one with low wattage. If you're gigging anywhere decent they will have a PA system or something that you can run your amp through so you won't need 100 watts. The tiny terror is nice. But Ceriatone's plexi 18.5 watt or whatever sounds like something you might find interesting as well.
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#19
Quote by Artemis Entreri
Ah, so if you weren't aware that tube amps need to be played loud, I would definitely recommend getting one with low wattage. If you're gigging anywhere decent they will have a PA system or something that you can run your amp through so you won't need 100 watts. The tiny terror is nice. But Ceriatone's plexi 18.5 watt or whatever sounds like something you might find interesting as well.


yeah, ceriatone's 18 watt is a great choice. i'm going after the JTM45 clone, but thats cause i have a thing for the British KT66 cleans.
#20
Quote by Yerjam
Well, a "budding" collector.

While I am adamant about getting a valve amp, I didn't know that about playing them low volume. I have gigged and plan on gigging again, but of course I would rather something that's practical for home use too.

Yeah, a big valve amp really needs to be played pretty loud to get a good sound out of it, i can't reccommend the tiny terror enough It's good for pretty much any style too.
#21
here's the thing, to be a true collecter like that, you need more diversity than what you're thinking. you need one with a floyd rose, you need one with some midi pickups, you need one with a large scale neck. THE VOX AD50VT IS THE ONLY AMP YOU'LL EVER NEED!!! BEST AMP EVER!!! so here's my suggestion... get the acoustic. it's a good choice, it'll expand your playing at the moment, and you'll thank yourself in the end, because if you don't get it now you'll probably put it off for too long...
#22
Quote by JesterShred
here's the thing, to be a true collecter like that, you need more diversity than what you're thinking. you need one with a floyd rose, you need one with some midi pickups, you need one with a large scale neck. THE VOX AD50VT IS THE ONLY AMP YOU'LL EVER NEED!!! BEST AMP EVER!!! so here's my suggestion... get the acoustic. it's a good choice, it'll expand your playing at the moment, and you'll thank yourself in the end, because if you don't get it now you'll probably put it off for too long...


*cough*

wait...what?
#23
Quote by Artemis Entreri
I wasn't aware that I was writing an essay for my AP English class, but ok. If you're referring to my sig, I correct mistakes like "your cool" "to many" and "alot."



I would agree with this, except that he says he's a collector.
I gave up on the examples you gave. Also, I was bored when I *fixed* yours.

#24
Quote by budget bassist
Yeah, a big valve amp really needs to be played pretty loud to get a good sound out of it, i can't reccommend the tiny terror enough It's good for pretty much any style too.


Pardon my noob-ishness, but I don't know that much about valve amps having never owned one. Most of what I know is based of internet research and of course the stacks I've played at different guitar stores.

Now I know a 15W valve amp will be louder than a 15W solid state, but would a 15W valve through a 112cab like you said still be enough for small-medium gigs?
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#25
Quote by Yerjam
Pardon my noob-ishness, but I don't know that much about valve amps having never owned one. Most of what I know is based of internet research and of course the stacks I've played at different guitar stores.

Now I know a 15W valve amp will be louder than a 15W solid state, but would a 15W valve through a 112cab like you said still be enough for small-medium gigs?


yes, it should be. the amp is gonna break-up most likely needing to be set at a higher volume, but nothing a simple roll down of the volume knob (on the guitar) cant fix. also, if there is a PA at the gigs, you are good to go regardless of wattage.
#26
Quote by Yerjam
Pardon my noob-ishness, but I don't know that much about valve amps having never owned one. Most of what I know is based of internet research and of course the stacks I've played at different guitar stores.

Now I know a 15W valve amp will be louder than a 15W solid state, but would a 15W valve through a 112cab like you said still be enough for small-medium gigs?



It depends on the room you are in, but it most likely would. I never turn my Valve King past maybe 5 albeit it's 100 watts. Even in my school gym which seats around 1500 people.

It might break up too early in a medium gig, you wouldn't have clean. But any good venue will have a PA so wattage will matter very little.
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#27
Quote by Yerjam
I've been trying to build up a serious guitar collection recently and, well, I'm a bit stuck...

My goal is to have top-of-range guitars of all varieties a humbucker guitar, a single coil, an acoustic, a 12-string acoustic, a 7-string electric, a bass, etc. you know what I mean. I also plan on getting a serious tube amp(s).

I just ticked off the humbucker from my list in the form of a Gibson SG Diablo, but I don't know where to go from here. I was thinking that the fully-tubed amp stack would be the best choice, because I don't see a point in collecting all these great guitars and still only playing them through my Vox AD50VT, much as I love that amp.

Of course, the amp stack is probably going to be the most expensive item to check off, and it'll take a lot of time saving up some money after the amount I blew on my most recent purchase! Which is why I was thinking of going ahead and spending my money on a really good acoustic to keep me happy (because the one I have now is terrible).

Your thoughts?


Stack is gonna sound like **** because you will never be able to turn it up all the way.
however, if you insist on a stack

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/THD-Hot-Plate-Attenuator?sku=481283

The only marshall head I would buy would be the JCM800 with a cab with 4 greenbacks.

Also on your list should be the orange rockerverb
http://www.orangeamps.com/products.asp?Action=View&ID=69
The fender princeton
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-65-Princeton-Reverb-15W-1x10-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=482325
and of course the VOX AC30
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Vox-AC30CC2X-30W-2x12-Custom-Classic-Combo-with-Celestion-Blue-Speakers?sku=482621

Guitars:
Tele standard
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-American-Standard-Telecaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=515750
Strat standard
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-American-Standard-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=515748
Also, an SG is a poor excuse for your "humbucker" guitar
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/PRS-Custom-24-Electric-Guitar?sku=519908
When it comes to hollowbodies, accept no substitutes, gretsch makes the best
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gretsch-Guitars-G7593-White-Falcon-1?sku=517765
Schecter makes better 7 strings, and with a 7 string floyd rose and active pickups... **** yeah
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=515884
Double neck would probably be the SG jimmy page signature
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/382cf1ada4b1160d31e72bd0f537237f.jpg
Then you'll need a rick that is a double neck with the top a bass and the bottom a guitar
http://lordonly.net/Images/John/lojtric1.jpg
and **** it, no collection is complete without...
http://www.deanguitars.com/userpics/lib6/wangcaster.jpg
#28
Quote by Yerjam
Pardon my noob-ishness, but I don't know that much about valve amps having never owned one. Most of what I know is based of internet research and of course the stacks I've played at different guitar stores.

Now I know a 15W valve amp will be louder than a 15W solid state, but would a 15W valve through a 112cab like you said still be enough for small-medium gigs?

For small pub kinda gigs, a 112 is all you need. For a medium gig, as long as it's miced up (any good venue should do this) and there's a decent PA system with monitors then it should be fine. Though i have seen people run tiny terrors through 412 cabs, so that is an option.

Of course if you were worried about this sort of thing, you could always buy a 100w valve head and use a power attenuator so that you get the maximum sound out of your amp at a low volume, but they will add another couple of hundred onto your already expensive rig, though i've seen many people do medium sized gigs with 112 combo amps and it sounded fine. In fact my lead guitarist's 112 combo used to be SIGNIFICANTLY louder than my rhythm guitarist's 212 combo... strange. They both help up well though.
#30
Quote by Yerjam
I've been trying to build up a serious guitar collection recently and, well, I'm a bit stuck... ...
TBH, you'll probably know you really want to be a collector after you've acquired quite a few guitars and amps.

Usually it starts with a bunch of guitars without a focused goal, you just acquire. It becomes serious after you've decided on the specifics to the point of monomania. This may mean Fenders, and/or Gibsons, and/or other brands. Or, it could be more tightly-focused like Fender Telecasters only or Gibson Les Pauls.

Last Summer, while working as a gofer for a friend's dad's remodeling/construction company, we expanded the "Gibson" wing for a venture capitalist. The previous Summer, it was the Fender wing.

Join a forum where serious collectors gather. You can read and learn, then post asking for advice. Good Luck!

#31
Quote by Schecter1277
Stack is gonna sound like **** because you will never be able to turn it up all the way.
however, if you insist on a stack

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/THD-Hot-Plate-Attenuator?sku=481283

The only marshall head I would buy would be the JCM800 with a cab with 4 greenbacks.

Also on your list should be the orange rockerverb
http://www.orangeamps.com/products.asp?Action=View&ID=69
The fender princeton
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-65-Princeton-Reverb-15W-1x10-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=482325
and of course the VOX AC30
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Vox-AC30CC2X-30W-2x12-Custom-Classic-Combo-with-Celestion-Blue-Speakers?sku=482621

Guitars:
Tele standard
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-American-Standard-Telecaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=515750
Strat standard
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-American-Standard-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=515748
Also, an SG is a poor excuse for your "humbucker" guitar
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/PRS-Custom-24-Electric-Guitar?sku=519908
When it comes to hollowbodies, accept no substitutes, gretsch makes the best
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gretsch-Guitars-G7593-White-Falcon-1?sku=517765
Schecter makes better 7 strings, and with a 7 string floyd rose and active pickups... **** yeah
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=515884
Double neck would probably be the SG jimmy page signature
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/382cf1ada4b1160d31e72bd0f537237f.jpg
Then you'll need a rick that is a double neck with the top a bass and the bottom a guitar
http://lordonly.net/Images/John/lojtric1.jpg
and **** it, no collection is complete without...
http://www.deanguitars.com/userpics/lib6/wangcaster.jpg


Thanks a bunch for your advice, of course, most of what you've said is already in the list in my head.
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#32
Quote by Yerjam
Thanks a bunch for your advice, of course, most of what you've said is already in the list in my head.


Then it's conformation that you're on the right track.

You should also pick this puppy up
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vox-AMP-Custom-Made-Clear-Acrylic-Amplifier-Vox-AC30_W0QQitemZ260326544082QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item260326544082&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50



#35
fyi that is very expensive to build. 500-700 dollars roughly, just for the case. unless you can get the materials for cheap.
#36
i dont think acrylic sheets are that expensive....should be under $100 total i would imagine.

http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog_name=USPlastic&category_name=21314&product_id=10477

doesnt seem to be extremely expensive, and i can probably find a supplier around my area so i do not need to pay for shipping.
Last edited by Skierinanutshel at Dec 7, 2008,
#37
Ok you don't have to get a stack mate. Get a combo, esp if you want to get all these other guitars as well, its just too expensive and useless to have a stack. At home!

This Screamer 50 of mine filled a concert hall without in any way being connected to a PA, but they had to mic the drums because they couldn't match the amp (whose master volume was only about halfway up).

That aside I know what you mean, I've been at it myself for a while. What I need now are a Telecaster, Jazzbass, and an Ibanez RG style metal guitar and then I'm all set. ^^

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