#1
ok when im bored i just sit with my guitar just put my fingers down on the fret.
i put them anywhere, in any shape, to see if it will make a cool chord, or anything.
(yes im a nerd)
and today i came up with this pretty cool one, and i dont know what i should call it.

the notes are E, D#, F#, C.
the tab:

e--8-- pinky
B--7-- middle
G--8-- ring
D--x--
A--7-- pointer
E--x--

im thinking Cdim/E? in the key of E harmonic minor?
like a C diminished chord with an E in the bass.

or maybe Cdim(add#9) ?

or it could just be a "tone cluster".

i made a really interesting progression with it too and im tempted to put it in this thread, but someone will steal it lol.

but is my opinion correct? a Cdim/E?


EDIT: how come my threads are always the ones that have 87 views and not one reply?
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Last edited by musicTHEORYnerd at Dec 8, 2008,
#3
Quote by musicTHEORYnerd


EDIT: how come my threads are always the ones that have 87 views and not one reply?


You stumped 'em?

Oh, and hey! You got 2 replies. I think that makes you our winner for tonight!
#4
First of all, "E harmonic minor" is a scale, not a key. Keys are only major or minor, just fyi.
Chord progressions can't be stolen, they can't be copyrighted.

1 2 b3 #4 5 #6 b7 (Spanish phrygian/Romanian) 4th mode of har.minor
C D Eb F# G A Bb C

Looks like this scale almost fits, but again, what context is it in?
#5
Oh, one last post. Why is this chord not diminished? What's the formula for a diminished chord?

R b3 b5 bb7

Your chord has:

R 2 #5 7

Hope this helps.
#7
Quote by one vision
He rearranged them to make a diminished chord.

C Eb Gb = 1 b3 b5.

I dunno, Cdimadd9?

but theres no 9
its like Cdim (addmaj3)
idk
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#10
Okay lets look at this Judge from the arrangement you made the notes are

E-Eb-Gb-C

well C Dim is in there C-E-Gb that 5th is flatten so that makes that a Dim

for the E flat this is what make it strange sounding you have a Major 7 instead of a minor 7 which would be a b7
you also did an Inversion so you made the 3rd the Root,the Major 7,and the root the 7th

so what were looking at is a ii 4/5 inversion?........basically a Cdim maj7
im not ever sure it would be called ii 4/5 since it has that major 7 in it

lol this is stuff you wont find in text books

once you know your triads the possibility are endless
you'll start to make wacky fun chords just like this
#11
Quote by Phrygian_12
Okay lets look at this Judge from the arrangement you made the notes are

E-Eb-Gb-C

well C Dim is in there C-E-Gb that 5th is flatten so that makes that a Dim

for the E flat this is what make it strange sounding you have a Major 7 instead of a minor 7 which would be a b7
you also did an Inversion so you made the 3rd the Root,the Major 7,and the root the 7th

so what were looking at is a ii 4/5 inversion?........basically a Cdim maj7
im not ever sure it would be called ii 4/5 since it has that major 7 in it

lol this is stuff you wont find in text books

once you know your triads the possibility are endless
you'll start to make wacky fun chords just like this



wow wait a minute!! i made a mistake lol

its a CDim with a Major 3rd lol

sorry i complete ignored that b3rd for some reason
and E isnt even a 7 in the Key of Cmaj or minor lol(wtf Phrygian pay attention Mr.i want to go to Berklee)
(was)
lol sorry gah im reading this book about counter point so im a little distracted lol

OKAY lets look at this again

he has E-Eb-Gb-C

C-Eb-Gb that is C Dmin

but he added that E so that Minor 3rd be comes a Major 3rd

i guess we could look at this as Cdim Add10? or Cminor flat 5th added 10 same thing...anyway

again this stuff isn't taught in text books and this is still an inversion im just not sure what to call it now lol like a Vii*4/5 i guess or something lol but that natural 3rd is in there so it cant be that

C- Eb- Gb - E
1- b3- b5- 10

C D Eb F G Ab Bb C
1 2 b3 4 5 6b 7b 8
9 10b 11 12 13

thats a Cminor but since its is Diminished that 5th is flatten making i Gflat

C D Eb F Gb Ab Bb C
1 2 b3 4 b5 6b 7b 8
9 10b 11 12 13

so what Scale has a CDim in it?

well thats Db Major

Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Db
I ii iii IV V vi vii* I

so you are either writing this in Db major(Ionian) or C Locrian

either way that Chord you have is NOT Diatonic!

that natural major 3rd you put in there brakes the rule (not saying thats bad once you under stand the fundamentals of composing thats what most people do lol brake the rules lol ) well look at it this way you can actually screw around with 3 different "Genders" Major Minor or Diminished you have all 3 tirades(is that how you spell it? lol my brian is so frayed right now from this and Alan Belkin's book)


lol anyway didn't see that one coming

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Last edited by Phrygian_12 at Dec 8, 2008,
#13
Quote by Galvanise69
Its a C Dim/E.

Sorry, I hav'nt read through all the other posts.

yeah thats what i was thinking Cdim/E.


either way that Chord you have is NOT Diatonic!

its diatonic if its built in the scale of E harmonic minor....i think.
yeah C, D#, E, F# are all in E harmonic minor.
idk, i just thought it was a cool chord
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#14
Quote by musicTHEORYnerd
yeah thats what i was thinking Cdim/E.


its diatonic if its built in the scale of E harmonic minor....i think.
yeah C, D#, E, F# are all in E harmonic minor.
idk, i just thought it was a cool chord


lol i knew i was missing something

yes thats what i was thinking on my first post
geez i really screwed up ( i think im over analyzing things)

that Natural 7 makes it D#

so in this case its a C diminished maj7
its still an inversion but yeah lets just call it a slash chord
E/C dim

yes it fits the bill it is Diatonic

sorry i have no idea what happened there
i over looked it

i guess cause i was reading a book and there was an Example with C Major
and then reading your post i got mixed up

cause on the exercises i wrote it in E Harmonic minor lol
Last edited by Phrygian_12 at Dec 9, 2008,
#15
Quote by Phrygian_12
lol i knew i was missing something

yes thats what i was thinking on my first post
geez i really screwed up ( i think im over analyzing things)

that Natural 7 makes it D#

so in this case its a C diminished maj7
its still an inversion but yeah lets just call it a slash chord
E/C dim

yes it fits the bill it is Diatonic

sorry i have no idea what happened there
i over looked it

i guess cause i was reading a book and there was an Example with C Major
and then reading your post i got mixed up

cause on the exercises i wrote it in E Harmonic minor lol


lol why does everyone keep saying major 7?
there a major 7 to the E, but the root is the C?

lol
idk
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#16
C Dim/E, is diatonic to:

C D# E F#

a) C Half-Whole
b) The sixth mode of the Harmonic Minor Lydian #2, in this case C Lydian #2.
#18
Why not?

Would it be more correct if I said

C Dim/E, is diatonic to:

C D# E F#

a) E Whole-Half
b) E Harmonic Minor
Last edited by Galvanise69 at Dec 9, 2008,
#19
Quote by musicTHEORYnerd
lol why does everyone keep saying major 7?
there a major 7 to the E, but the root is the C?

lol
idk


its called Inversions

for an example


a C major Triad is C-E-G root 3rd and 5th

now say you arrange the triad to be G-C-E that would be a Second Inversion
sounds cool eh? slash chords are basically Inversions
so next time you see a G/Cmaj its a second inversions
a first would be the 3rd in the bass( 3-5-1)

anyway thats like your basic fundamentals of it

then later it gets a little complex


i apologize if you knew that already

i may have misunderstood your Reply