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I feel an amp should give me everything I want. Whatever the cost, an amp should provide clean tones and massive cruch when you overdrive it. It should have a workable EQ (not just two knobs). There should never ever be a need for pedals.

Because one of my guitars sounds a bit muddy in my new amp, I have to buy an EQ pedal. That makes me angry.

An amp should give you everything you need. Pedals just make me angry when I have to buy one. Hell, if you want some crazy octave-divider-fuzz-face-delay, go ahead and buy one. But that pedal is not necessary for a perfect sound. The amp should provide perfect sound with no pedals needed!
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dude whats your amp first
and calm down we can help you
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#4
I agree, if you need an EQ pedal to fix your tone you're doing something wrong. But I like EQs as a solo boost or as an alternate sound.


How about if a "crazy ocatve-divider-fuzz-face-delay" is the perfect sound?

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#6
how would you feel if i just started ranting about amp effects
pedals are far better than onboard effects because you can mix and mach various pedals at various settings and have way more personalization
but as far as eq goes i must agree amps with crap eq are rather ridiculous
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#9
i think i agree with you in principle.
all amps should be made to such a high quality that it gives you a great clean tone, and its OD should be usable. however, sometimes you just want a little more from everything, thats what pedals are for.
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#10
dude whats your amp first
and calm down we can help you

Here's the kicker - the amp I have is one of the greatest amps the world has ever seen: the legendary VOX AC30. And I still have to shell out a hundred bucks for an EQ pedal! That makes me angry.

Now, the amp doesn't give me Metallica crunch, but I didn't expect it to. If I want to push it further I will just buy an overdrive or distortion pedal.

But here is the problem. The amp is fantastic on two of my guitars (a Strat and a 12 string Ric). Clean and pure is the way I can describe the sound. Even when overdriven the sound is fine (except for neck pickups which always dull the sound). But my third guitar - an Epiphone Casino - sounds like hell in this amp. Nothing wrong with the guitar because it sounds fantastic in my Fender Princeton amp; but I can't see why the tone on this guitar is so dull in the VOX. The only option for me is to buy an EQ pedal. That makes me feel defeated and angry.
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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Here's the kicker - the amp I have is one of the greatest amps the world has ever seen: the legendary VOX AC30. And I still have to shell out a hundred bucks for an EQ pedal! That makes me angry.

Now, the amp doesn't give me Metallica crunch, but I didn't expect it to. If I want to push it further I will just buy an overdrive or distortion pedal.

But here is the problem. The amp is fantastic on two of my guitars (a Strat and a 12 string Ric). Clean and pure is the way I can describe the sound. Even when overdriven the sound is fine (except for neck pickups which always dull the sound). But my third guitar - an Epiphone Casino - sounds like hell in this amp. Nothing wrong with the guitar because it sounds fantastic in my Fender Princeton amp; but I can't see why the tone on this guitar is so dull in the VOX. The only option for me is to buy an EQ pedal. That makes me feel defeated and angry.

I have a feeling it is the muddy stock pickups.

If you really want the AC30 in true, clear action, get a pair of Alnico Blue copies and put them in. That is the real AC30 sound.
#13
Settings are tone knobs all the way cranked on the amp and guitar. (I love bright treble sound, hate thick sound.)

The pickups on the guitar are fine - the guitar does sound bright in my Fender amp. It is a hollowbody and has flatwounds on it so I know it will never sound bright as my other guitars. But it is just that neck pickup on my Casino that is dull when I overdrive the Vox. I know it will be thicker, but not like this.

Yesterday I went to Guitar Center and tried another VOXAC30 and the same thing occurred -- loss of brightness when overdriven and using the neck pickups. That's why I am angry. The EQ knobs on the amp don't do enough. I tried an EQ pedal at Guitar Center and it cleaned up the sound. For the thousand bucks that amp costs I shouldn't have to buy an EQ pedal! Thus the anger, thus this thread!
#14
I know! It sucks! How dare amplifiers be manufactured in a way that makes them behave differently with different guitars?

It's something that happens with all amps. No amp is going to give you the exact sound you desire with each guitar that comes its way. The way two pieces of gear interact is complex and rarely 100% predictable.

tl;dr, fact of life, deal with it.
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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Settings are tone knobs all the way cranked on the amp and guitar. (I love bright treble sound, hate thick sound.)

The pickups on the guitar are fine - the guitar does sound bright in my Fender amp. It is a hollowbody and has flatwounds on it so I know it will never sound bright as my other guitars. But it is just that neck pickup on my Casino that is dull when I overdrive the Vox. I know it will be thicker, but not like this.

Yesterday I went to Guitar Center and tried another VOXAC30 and the same thing occurred -- loss of brightness when overdriven and using the neck pickups. That's why I am angry. The EQ knobs on the amp don't do enough. I tried an EQ pedal at Guitar Center and it cleaned up the sound. For the thousand bucks that amp costs I shouldn't have to buy an EQ pedal! Thus the anger, thus this thread!


Your right, you shouldn't, because, *gasp* you can turn down the bass on the EQ on the amp.

From a user of both pedalboard and direct-line-in setups, the premise of this topic was dumb to begin with, but the fact it's so easily solved,
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#16
What if you like tones that you can't get from amps? I love pedals, because the amp that can provide the face-melting fuzz distortion that I want hasn't been built.
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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Settings are tone knobs all the way cranked on the amp and guitar. (I love bright treble sound, hate thick sound.)

The pickups on the guitar are fine - the guitar does sound bright in my Fender amp. It is a hollowbody and has flatwounds on it so I know it will never sound bright as my other guitars. But it is just that neck pickup on my Casino that is dull when I overdrive the Vox. I know it will be thicker, but not like this.

Yesterday I went to Guitar Center and tried another VOXAC30 and the same thing occurred -- loss of brightness when overdriven and using the neck pickups. That's why I am angry. The EQ knobs on the amp don't do enough. I tried an EQ pedal at Guitar Center and it cleaned up the sound. For the thousand bucks that amp costs I shouldn't have to buy an EQ pedal! Thus the anger, thus this thread!

Sounds like the muddy neck pickup on my Epiphone LP. Sounds good but not as great as it should through my amp.

Buy a $50 Rockfield SWV. It is what I am doing to get rid of the mud on my Epi.
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Quote by bucky_2300
I know! It sucks! How dare amplifiers be manufactured in a way that makes them behave differently with different guitars?

It's something that happens with all amps. No amp is going to give you the exact sound you desire with each guitar that comes its way. The way two pieces of gear interact is complex and rarely 100% predictable.

tl;dr, fact of life, deal with it.

I know you are trying to be nasty and sarcastic, but your post is actually dead on accurate. I am pissed that out of all my six guitars they are all not sounding perfect in this amp. What bothers me most is that the Casino is my fave right now and it is sounding like absolute crap in this million dollar amp. If this EQ pedal that I am getting doesn't clean it up I will really be pissed.

And then I have to buy an overdrive pedal....
And then an AB switch...
And then a Leslie simulator pedal...
See this pedal crap never ends....even with a million dollar amp. That causes anger.
#19
You can hardly expect amp companies to create an amp that works equally well and provide the perfect tone with every guitar made. There has got to be nearly an infinite number of combinations of guitars, pick ups, strings and all the other **** we buy to keep us happy that they would have to account for.

Every guitar doesn't sound the same why would you expect every amp to.
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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
I know you are trying to be nasty and sarcastic, but your post is actually dead on accurate. I am pissed that out of all my six guitars they are all not sounding perfect in this amp. What bothers me most is that the Casino is my fave right now and it is sounding like absolute crap in this million dollar amp. If this EQ pedal that I am getting doesn't clean it up I will really be pissed.

And then I have to buy an overdrive pedal....
And then an AB switch...
And then a Leslie simulator pedal...
See this pedal crap never ends....even with a million dollar amp. That causes anger.

There are other amps that might be better for you. $1000 isn't THAT much for an amp. You are to blame anyways because a company dooped you into buying an amp for $1000 that is made in china or some asian county nowadays. That is your fault.
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Quote by Demigawd
Every guitar doesn't sound the same why would you expect every amp to.

Actually I do expect that because an amplifier AMPLIFIES sound. It is as simple as this:

A - my guitar sounds good
B - the amplify should AMPLIFY that sound --- not screw it up!
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my amp can actually simulate 4 delays, two reverbs, a fuzz and an overdrive at the same time. it's good cause you can actually change around the signal chain too. i can set all the delays at different speeds and everything.

there's even a wah on top of the amp head. i hate it cause you have to sit on top of your amp and rock it back and forth with your ass crack while you're playing, it's pretty much useless. ****, that's so stupid. I HATE IT WHEN MY AMP WON'T DO EVERYTHING AND YOU HAVE TO BUY A PEDAL!!!!!

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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
I know you are trying to be nasty and sarcastic, but your post is actually dead on accurate. I am pissed that out of all my six guitars they are all not sounding perfect in this amp. What bothers me most is that the Casino is my fave right now and it is sounding like absolute crap in this million dollar amp. If this EQ pedal that I am getting doesn't clean it up I will really be pissed.

And then I have to buy an overdrive pedal....
And then an AB switch...
And then a Leslie simulator pedal...
See this pedal crap never ends....even with a million dollar amp. That causes anger.


Wait, Vox increased the price of the AC30 by $998,000? It's $1,000,000 now?

Also, John Lennon used a Casino through an AC30, and I'd say The Beatles didn't sound bad, so frankly you've got yourself to blame, because back then I'm pretty sure fuzz and wah were the only pedals around(not positive though), so it's something your doing.

Overdrive pedal; Well, IMO every tube amp players should have one of these.
AB switch; Wait, why do you need one of those? That routes your guitar through two amps last I checked.
Leslie; Wait, why do you need that?
Again, it's $1,000,000 now? Apparently musicians friend, guitar center and every-****ing-body else is losing thousands then.

Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Actually I do expect that because an amplifier AMPLIFIES sound. It is as simple as this:

A - my guitar sounds good
B - the amplify should AMPLIFY that sound --- not screw it up!


If that's what you want buy a PA and hook into that. I and everyone who cares about tone will keep keep our warm little tubes and(sometimes) solid-state transistors though, thank you very much.
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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Actually I do expect that because an amplifier AMPLIFIES sound. It is as simple as this:

A - my guitar sounds good
B - the amplify should AMPLIFY that sound --- not screw it up!



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only 10w practice amps have 2 eq knobs.
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Quote by fastlanestoner
only 10w practice amps have 2 eq knobs.


another horrible fail.

i'm going to stop reading this thread, it's depressing me.

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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Actually I do expect that because an amplifier AMPLIFIES sound. It is as simple as this:

A - my guitar sounds good
B - the amplify should AMPLIFY that sound --- not screw it up!


You are looking at it the wrong way, your amp is technically part of the instrument and as such provides color and tone to your music. If you don't like the tone you get with this one sell it and get one that does appeal to you. That is why music stores let you play them before you buy them. It also why there are a hundred different amps and speaker cabinets. If they all sounded alike we would only need one amp company.
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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Actually I do expect that because an amplifier AMPLIFIES sound. It is as simple as this:

A - my guitar sounds good
B - the amplify should AMPLIFY that sound --- not screw it up!


By that logic, my JEM should sound exactly the same through my Legacy as a Splawn or VHT. The way an amp "screws up" the sound is the reason people buy it instead of another. The way I see it, you don't like the way the AC30 doesn't give the right overdriven sound with a certain pickup on a certain guitar. Hardly something to complain about when you'll be able to find that with pretty much any amp.
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Quote by necrosis1193
Also, John Lennon used a Casino through an AC30, and I'd say The Beatles didn't sound bad, so frankly you've got yourself to blame, because back then I'm pretty sure fuzz and wah were the only pedals around(not positive though), so it's something your doing.

AB switch; Wait, why do you need one of those? That routes your guitar through two amps last I checked.
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Actually, Lennon played the Casino mostly through a Fender Twin. By the time the Casinos moved into the Beatles' hands, the VOX amps were being replaced with Fenders. And the few times when the Casino was used in the VOX, The Beatles were not overly distorting them at all. They never looked to the VOX for overdrive and distortion. Why would anyone do that? They are VOXES, not Marshalls, you know?

And the AB switch is because you can not switch between the Normal channel and Top Boost channel on the AC30 without one. A defect in design that is not really a bother.
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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Actually, Lennon played the Casino mostly through a Fender Twin. By the time the Casinos moved into the Beatles' hands, the VOX amps were being replaced with Fenders. And the few times when the Casino was used in the VOX, The Beatles were not overly distorting them at all. They never looked to the VOX for overdrive and distortion. Why would anyone do that? They are VOXES, not Marshalls, you know?

And the AB switch is because you can not switch between the Normal channel and Top Boost channel on the AC30 without one. A defect in design that is not really a bother.

So they can sound like Brian ****ing May! Cream-my-pants tone if I ever heard it.
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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Actually, Lennon played the Casino mostly through a Fender Twin. By the time the Casinos moved into the Beatles' hands, the VOX amps were being replaced with Fenders. And the few times when the Casino was used in the VOX, The Beatles were not overly distorting them at all. They never looked to the VOX for overdrive and distortion. Why would anyone do that? They are VOXES, not Marshalls, you know?

And the AB switch is because you can not switch between the Normal channel and Top Boost channel on the AC30 without one. A defect in design that is not really a bother.


Huh, I thought they just switched to Fender amps for the rooftop concert because they got them in the Fender gear they got when George got and subsequently endorsed Rosie. My apologies about that. As for using them for distortion though, Brian. Freaking. May. =/

...That's a footswitch, not an A/B switch. Once more, I think every amp that can use one should have a footswitch plugged in, so to me it seems the Leslie simulator was the only unneeded thing you've bought except possibly that if you buy it. Frankly I tried an AC30 and got angry with my current amp, which, as good as it is, pales in comparison. Didn't sound muddy to me. Again, try rolling down the bass on the onboard EQ.
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Quote by Demigawd
You are looking at it the wrong way, your amp is technically part of the instrument and as such provides color and tone to your music.

Nah, we see/hear things differently. I do see an amp as a tool of AMPLIFICATION, period. It should in my ears produce the most vivid, pure tone that the guitar is producing. The VOX AC30 is the king of that. Mine does that. Crystal clear sound from my Strat, Ric, and even my acoustic. But the Casino it fails on, but it would succeed had the amp had a proper EQ.

I am not an effects guy at all. Plug in and play. That is pure music. The VOX AC30 was designed for that. You seem to want to alter your sound. We see things differently.
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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Nah, we see/hear things differently. I do see an amp as a tool of AMPLIFICATION, period. It should in my ears produce the most vivid, pure tone that the guitar is producing. The VOX AC30 is the king of that. Mine does that. Crystal clear sound from my Strat, Ric, and even my acoustic. But the Casino it fails on, but it would succeed had the amp had a proper EQ.

I am not an effects guy at all. Plug in and play. That is pure music. The VOX AC30 was designed for that. You seem to want to alter your sound. We see things differently.


Wait, wait. It doesn't have EQ? Did you buy a regular AC30 or a Brian May AC30?
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If you want just the pure tone of your guitar why don't you just plug a pair of headphones straight into the input jack of your guitar. the way i see it that's the only way to hear what the guitar alone sounds like.

and if all you want is to amplify your sound why are you bitching about the EQ? the more you tweek the EQ the more you change the sound and if you only want to plug in and play why would you require a 'better' EQ?
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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Nah, we see/hear things differently. I do see an amp as a tool of AMPLIFICATION, period. It should in my ears produce the most vivid, pure tone that the guitar is producing. The VOX AC30 is the king of that. Mine does that. Crystal clear sound from my Strat, Ric, and even my acoustic. But the Casino it fails on, but it would succeed had the amp had a proper EQ.

I am not an effects guy at all. Plug in and play. That is pure music. The VOX AC30 was designed for that. You seem to want to alter your sound. We see things differently.


You do realize that by the very nature of amplification, the sound of the guitar is going to be coloured, right? You've just found one that really works for you in most contexts. Don't flip out on the amp for not having proper EQ when you don't like the sound it produces with a certain guitar. For it to work perfectly with all guitars is an unrealistic expectation, and in my opinion shows a bit of naivete in regard to how amplifiers and guitars work together. No amp, and let me repeat no amp will produce a perfect tone with every guitar. This is the limitation of the technology - that is, it cannot be infinitely flexible. The Vox AC30, just like every other amplifier, has a tonal range that it can achieve. You can't move it outside of that tonal range, and getting angry about that is... well, pointless.

Also, please drop the royal "we". It's pretentious.
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Quote by CasinoEpiphone
I feel an amp should give me everything I want. Whatever the cost, an amp should provide clean tones and massive cruch when you overdrive it. It should have a workable EQ (not just two knobs). There should never ever be a need for pedals.

Because one of my guitars sounds a bit muddy in my new amp, I have to buy an EQ pedal. That makes me angry.

An amp should give you everything you need. Pedals just make me angry when I have to buy one. Hell, if you want some crazy octave-divider-fuzz-face-delay, go ahead and buy one. But that pedal is not necessary for a perfect sound. The amp should provide perfect sound with no pedals needed!


uh... no, your amp is supposed to amplify your guitar. That's all it is supposed to do.

The guitar sounding muddy through your amp is the guitar's problem. Not the amp's problem. Any brightness you get from the EQ is doing so to boost your guitar's signal. It's a humbucker guitar (and a semi-hollow one no less) obviously the guitar isn't going to have the same brightness of a strat. Semi hollows sound dark and warm. That's the point. And obviously the Casino isn't going to sound as bright through the Vox as through the Princeton. They're two completely differently voiced amps. You're talking about a Fender Princeton, you're not going to get much brighter than that from ANY amp.

An amp isn't supposed to alter tone? What kind of BS are you talking about? No one looks to Voxes for overdrive? Are you a ****ing idiot? The Vox overdrive tone is one of the iconic tones of 60s rock. Jesus.
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Quote by bucky_2300
You do realize that by the very nature of amplification, the sound of the guitar is going to be coloured, right? You've just found one that really works for you in most contexts. Don't flip out on the amp for not having proper EQ when you don't like the sound it produces with a certain guitar. For it to work perfectly with all guitars is an unrealistic expectation, and in my opinion shows a bit of naivete in regard to how amplifiers and guitars work together. No amp, and let me repeat no amp will produce a perfect tone with every guitar. This is the limitation of the technology - that is, it cannot be infinitely flexible. The Vox AC30, just like every other amplifier, has a tonal range that it can achieve. You can't move it outside of that tonal range, and getting angry about that is... well, pointless.

Also, please drop the royal "we". It's pretentious.

Uhhh, the use of the pronoun "we" is used because I was responding to someone. That makes two people, thus plural, thus "we." He sees music one way, I see it differently -- thus "we" disagree. Little grammar lesson that I can't believe I had to give.

Outside of your failure at grammar, your post was 100% perfect. Well said and well argued. I see your point completely and now I hope and pray that the little EQ pedal I bought will clean up the sound that I am getting when the Casino is overdriven in the neck pickup position.
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Can I just say once more, did you try rolling the onboard EQ's bass knob down?
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Let me ask you something, what is the "pure tone" of a guitar? Do you honestly Vox doesn't have a voicing? Vox has one of the most characteristic voicing of any amp. Their overdrive is famous. No one uses a Vox for overdrive? Are you high?

An EQ will NOT clean up the mud you're getting in the NECK position of your SEMI-HOLLOW body guitar. All it will do is add an unmusical and harsh boost to your treble. It will not clean it up. If it's muddy, you need to change the pickups. You can't compare a AC-30 to a Fender. The AC-30 is NOT meant to be a clean amp.
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