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#1
I went to GC today and of course the metalheads were there and they were screwing arund (I say screwing around because to me, metal isnt playing).

Anyway, I went to try a Vox, simply because I've never tried one and figured I'd give it a shot. So I went to the last row and the AC15 was missing its input jack!!! (No, it wasnt used)


But seriously why would the AC15 be missing its input jack? How are people supposed to try it without an input?


Also the Peavey Classic 30 doesnt sound all that different from the Kustom Double Barrel. Tone-wise it sounds the same give or take. And as far as tube warmth, it only sounded slightly more organic or natural (not leaps and bounds better) compared to the Kustom.


Or have I not been playing long enough to be able to tell as huge a difference as what people on here say I should?


Why cant I tell the difference between tube and SS?
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Quote by neptune1988
Why cant I tell the difference between tube and SS?


You have no ear for tone.

Not trying to be offensive, just telling the truth.
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*shrugs* Fair enough.


But why wouldnt there be an input jack on the vox?
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You need to compare a high end tube to an SS and then you'll really tell the difference.
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Quote by neptune1988
*shrugs* Fair enough.


But why wouldnt there be an input jack on the vox?


Because some ass thought he could just rip out the chord when he was done.
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#7
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^^^^

I listened to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3oc6dSTHI&feature=channel_page

and then to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EOmgp-3vII

And I thought wtf is wrong with me.



Wow, the first one is horrible (tonewise) the second is very nice.

Neptune, I dunno, you sure you were lookin in the right place?

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#8
Quote by ortrigger
You need to compare a high end tube to an SS and then you'll really tell the difference.


but then ANY high end amp would sound good to a entry level amp right?

and for TS, what does the little story of the screwy metalheads have anything to do with your inability to tell the diff between a classic 30 a Kustom double barrel?

just putting out there that you don't like metal?
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#9
Quote by Kivarenn82
but then ANY high end amp would sound good to a entry level amp right?

sorry, I forgot to say "a better SS" a low end tube amp can in all reality sound worse than a good SS.
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#10
Quote by ortrigger
You need to compare a high end tube to an SS and then you'll really tell the difference.


With all due respect, I also tried a '65 Deluxe Reverb and it sounded like ****.


What would you recommend comparing in order to tell the difference?
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#11
Compare a fender HRD next to a frontman.
I know there's a fairly good gap in quality and price there, but if you can't tell the difference... You must have no ear for tone.
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#12
The difference between tube and SS is like night and day - even with a lower priced tube amp. I can easily tell a difference between my Mesa Lonestar, Peavey VK112 and my wife's Fender SS amp. The tube amps have a warmer sound.

Most of the kiddies at GC like showing off their (in)ability to play power chords. They all have two things in common - no talent and no money.
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Quote by Kevin Saale
Wow, the first one is horrible (tonewise) the second is very nice.

Neptune, I dunno, you sure you were lookin in the right place?




Yes, I'm sure.

I'll ask the guy at GC tommorow to see if he knows.

But it was like someone never put it in or something.

The hole was empty and it had some silver around the edges, like the paint had scraped off or something.

If I had a pic, I'd post it.
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On second thought, it may not be his ear. Think about it - auditioning an amp at GC is less than ideal. You've got all these kids playing amps at '10', so you really have to struggle to hear the nuances of the amp you're trying to play. It really does make it tough.
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Quote by neptune1988
I went to GC today and of course the metalheads were there and they were screwing arund (I say screwing around because to me, metal isnt playing).


Oh, shut up. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Some of the world's best guitarists are metal guitarists. And metal is one of the dominating genres right now. Metal ranges from Black Sabbath (Tony Iommi) to Ozzy (Randy Rhoads) to BLS (Zakk Wylde) to Pantera (Dimebag Darrell) to Children of Bodom (Alexi Laiho). Now read that again and dare to tell me that I didn't just list 5 of the world's greatest guitarists.
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#16
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Now read that again and dare to tell me that I didn't just list 5 of the world's greatest guitarists.



Yep. You're right. You didn't list 5 of the world's greatest guitarists.

Dude, it's subjective. I can't stand metal. You like it. You may not like Country. I do. I could name 5 of the best Country guitar players and you'd disagree. Can't we all just get along?
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Oh, shut up. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Some of the world's best guitarists are metal guitarists. And metal is one of the dominating genres right now. Metal ranges from Black Sabbath (Tony Iommi) to Ozzy (Randy Rhoads) to BLS (Zakk Wylde) to Pantera (Dimebag Darrell) to Children of Bodom (Alexi Laiho). Now read that again and dare to tell me that I didn't just list 5 of the world's greatest guitarists.


i love metal and all. but i don't think any of those guys could hang with the WORLDS top 5.. well maybe rhoads.. he probably held back a lot of his more complex chops when he was with ozzy.
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#18
Quote by darkarbiter7
Compare a fender HRD next to a frontman.
I know there's a fairly good gap in quality and price there, but if you can't tell the difference... You must have no ear for tone.



I have a Casino which sounds like **** through any Fender amp, regardless what model.

Would an Orange Tiny Terror compared to a Crate Flexwave 120 be as good a difference?
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Quote by neptune1988
I have a Casino which sounds like **** through any Fender amp, regardless what model.

Would an Orange Tiny Terror compared to a Crate Flexwave 120 be as good a difference?


Then when you're at the store, try a strat or something.

Yes, an orange tiny terror and a flexwave would be a good comparison.

Also, try to play at a higher volume. At low volumes, Tube and SS sound more similar than when they're cranked.
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#20
Quote by darkarbiter7
Then when you're at the store, try a strat or something.

Yes, an orange tiny terror and a flexwave would be a good comparison.

Also, try to play at a higher volume. At low volumes, Tube and SS sound more similar than when they're cranked.



I also try stuff at a local shop that's independent. and its pretty quite at that shop, so if I play alone (I'm usually the only one there), its too loud even at 2 or 3.

But a Tiny Terror set to 7W and cranked at 1/3 compared to a Crate Flexwave cranked to 1/4 would be a good comparison, no?

Also, why are rap nad metal dominating genres? what makes them so popular?
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#21
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Also, why are rap nad metal dominating genres? what makes them so popular?


They're simple and appeal to the most most basic, primal emotions of humans - violence and domination.
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#22
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They're simple and appeal to the most most basic, primal emotions of humans - violence and domination.




It's so true.
I do like a little bit of old school metal though.
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#23
Quote by Raijouta
They're simple and appeal to the most most basic, primal emotions of humans - violence and domination.


thats not always true in either rap or metal. although given whats popular and sells.. its hard to say that you're wrong either.. :/

but hey.. I've even heard a few country songs that were quite appalling! xD
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(I say screwing around because to me, metal isnt playing).


I dont think that was necessary to the point of the post, i take offense to that.
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#25
You can't just generalize a single genre of music's artists by saying they aren't talented or have no technical skill. Even if the most talented guitarist in the world was out there playing 3 chord progression pop punk riffs because that's what he wanted to do at the time how would you know he couldn't put herman li or michael angelo batio through their paces up the neck. (just to throw out a couple popular guitarists)

Back to the actual topic though; tube vs. solid state.

Allow me to just restate: you WILL NOT be able to tell a vast difference in tone from a tube amp to a solid state on LOW VOLUMES. Tube amps were meant to be pushed.

Furthermore; if you don't know how to EQ the amps you're testing then obviously you're not going to get satisfactory tone. Some amps can be a lot harder to find a good setting; ESPECIALLY nice tube amps.
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#26
Its real simple to notice the difference between solid state amps and tube amps.

Find a spider 3 amp 50 watt and crank it.

Next search for a marshall jvm 50 watt head and crank it.

If you can't figure out the difference... well then... I don't know what to tell you.
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#27
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Allow me to just restate: you WILL NOT be able to tell a vast difference in tone from a tube amp to a solid state on LOW VOLUMES. Tube amps were meant to be pushed.

I fully disagree, this myth about tube amps only sounding good cranked is ridiculous. A good tube amp sounds good at all volumes, they just sound better cranked. Now, if we're talking about an oldschool plexi or something of that sort you have a point, but modern amps are more advanced and take into account a person's need to hear later in life

Furthermore; if you don't know how to EQ the amps you're testing then obviously you're not going to get satisfactory tone. Some amps can be a lot harder to find a good setting; ESPECIALLY nice tube amps.

I agree with this point



Neptune, maybe your problem is the guitar. An epi casino isn't that nice of a guitar and seeing as it's an epiphone it's probably got dog**** for pups. Just throwing it out there.
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#28
^^^ seriously.
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#29
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Yep. You're right. You didn't list 5 of the world's greatest guitarists.

Dude, it's subjective. I can't stand metal. You like it. You may not like Country. I do. I could name 5 of the best Country guitar players and you'd disagree. Can't we all just get along?


You said "metal isn't playing". You're trashing metal. I don't care if you dn't like it, just don't be an ass about it.
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#30
GC tube amps are known to have blown tubes or some bad wiring in them. I sat down with a B52, and nothing came out so i looked in the back and it was disgusting.

There is a huge different between tube and solid state, especially in the gain channel and with loud volume. A tube and SS will sound similar at say .5 or 1 volume, a tube and SS at 6 or 7 will sound wayyy different.
#31
Its a $700 dollar guitar. What do you mean its not a nice guitar?

Sure the pu's aint the best by any stretch of imagination, but the neck, fretboard, and craftsmanship is good.

Replace the pu's maybe and I'd say you have a good guitar.
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Quote by philipp122
You said "metal isn't playing". You're trashing metal. I don't care if you dn't like it, just don't be an ass about it.


he didn't make the comment about metal. the TS did.
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Quote by neptune1988
Its a $700 dollar guitar. What do you mean its not a nice guitar?

Sure the pu's aint the best by any stretch of imagination, but the neck, fretboard, and craftsmanship is good.

Replace the pu's maybe and I'd say you have a good guitar.



Unless it's wildly better than anything else epiphone is putting out then it's an average guitar. I agree though, replace the pups and you'll have something.

Also price does not directly relate to quality, just look at gibson.
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Quote by Kevin Saale
Unless it's wildly better than anything else epiphone is putting out then it's an average guitar. I agree though, replace the pups and you'll have something.

Also price does not directly relate to quality, just look at gibson.


The local consensus (not GC, but other shops), say this is right up there with the Sheraton.

Also price wasnt what I was getting at.


My main concerns when I bought it where craftsmanship, and budget (back then around $700), the electronics I knew I could always replace later on if I wanted (though the pots are pretty responsive imo).


But yeah, the pu's were something I took a chance on when I bought it.

In hind-sight though, I should have gotten a Sheraton instead. Eye-candy, and it sounds amazing no matter what you play through.
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#35
Quote by neptune1988
Also, why are rap nad metal dominating genres? what makes them so popular?

because they have rythm. a really strong beat and hard crunching rythms...it gives a rush. its harsh.

that and the sweet solos, and fun stage antics
#36
what is the point of this thread?
if you find an amp that YOU like the sound of, then by all means, buy it.
do not worry about if its tube or solid state. all that matters is that YOU like the sound of it.
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#37
Quote by sesstreets
^^^^

I listened to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3oc6dSTHI&feature=channel_page

and then to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EOmgp-3vII

And I thought wtf is wrong with me.


The second one is tube, the first is SS. It's fairly obvious. The second has that signature tube clean sound with the warmth, while the first lacks in warmth, and sounds fake.
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I tried it out in store.

Great neck, nice n light, good tuning stability. Overall a good guitar. I didn't but it cause I generally only buy guitars over a grand now.
#38
Quote by UrzasJ00rMom
You can't just generalize a single genre of music's artists by saying they aren't talented or have no technical skill. Even if the most talented guitarist in the world was out there playing 3 chord progression pop punk riffs because that's what he wanted to do at the time how would you know he couldn't put herman li or michael angelo batio through their paces up the neck. (just to throw out a couple popular guitarists)

Back to the actual topic though; tube vs. solid state.

Allow me to just restate: you WILL NOT be able to tell a vast difference in tone from a tube amp to a solid state on LOW VOLUMES. Tube amps were meant to be pushed.

Furthermore; if you don't know how to EQ the amps you're testing then obviously you're not going to get satisfactory tone. Some amps can be a lot harder to find a good setting; ESPECIALLY nice tube amps.


That is definately true. Every Mesa I've played was annoyingly hard to EQ, but once you properly EQ it, you get the sweetest sounds out of it.

The reason most people can't tell the difference is because they don't know how to EQ well most of the time, and compare a badly EQ'd tube amp (Almost every tube amp is hard to EQ, with a few exceptions) to a Solid State with completely different EQing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it with tube amps, that increasing the Bass would effect the Treble and mids, and so on, to the point where a low amount of bass gives you tons of bass, and so on. With Solid States, it's straight forward. Treble = Treble, Bass = Bass, Mids = Mids.


EDIT: Aw, ****. I just noticed some dumbass bumped a 15 day old thread. ****ing retard..
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I tried it out in store.

Great neck, nice n light, good tuning stability. Overall a good guitar. I didn't but it cause I generally only buy guitars over a grand now.
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Quote by philipp122
Metal ranges from Black Sabbath (Tony Iommi) to Ozzy (Randy Rhoads) to BLS (Zakk Wylde) to Pantera (Dimebag Darrell) to Children of Bodom (Alexi Laiho). Now read that again and dare to tell me that I didn't just list 5 of the world's greatest guitarists.


You didn't just list five of the world's greatest guitarists; you listed five of the world's most monumental bores.
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#40
^+1

Jeff Beck? Stevie Ray Vaughan? Steve Vai? Heck, those probably aren't even in the top 5. Top 5 is subjective, anyway...
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