#1
if i run my TSL 60 at full volume for hours at a time.....is there any irreparable or irreplaceable damage i can do, such as to the circuits or anything? i understand the tubes will burn out faster, but if i can replace anything i break, i'll be okay. its my baby i don't to hurt her.

i only ask because i've found my clean channel useless unless the master is at 8 or 10. even the distortion isn't loud enough unless its on 7 or 8.

will i kill my amp by running the volume/gain so high?
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#2
You should be just fine. Just wear ear plugs.
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#3
It's rock and roll to blow out an amp, so it's a win-win. But, I don't think you will. I've always cranked my amps (solid state & valve) and have never hurt the amp. The speakers might wear out faster, but you can easily replace them and they're not that expensive when you consider how ong they "should" last. Keep it cranked dude.
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Do you have like a soundproof room or something?
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#5
besides the fact that the TSL might be the worst tube marshall ever made... the amp will be fine. You are supposed to crank tube amps.
#6
Turning a tube amp up is one thing. But amps are NOT made to run at full volume. Yes you can SEVERELY damage your amp doing this.
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Turning a tube amp up is one thing. But amps are NOT made to run at full volume. Yes you can SEVERELY damage your amp doing this.



What would you damage?


To me it doesn't even sound like the TS is fully cranking his amp, just diming the master control and using the channel volume for a volume control.
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I'd be worried more about the speakers than the amp itself.
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If the speakers are properly rated, there's no need to worry.
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What would you damage?


To me it doesn't even sound like the TS is fully cranking his amp, just diming the master control and using the channel volume for a volume control.


I'm echoing something you said Kevin. But if you're right about diming the master and using channel volume I'm fairly sure that wouldn't hurt it.


-I know for a fact at some point in my time here, you've said running an amp at full volume = bad for it's health.
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#11
Your wires in your output transformer can rub together to the point that they short out, and blow up your amp, and tubes.


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I'm echoing something you said Kevin. But if you're right about diming the master and using channel volume I'm fairly sure that wouldn't hurt it.


-I know for a fact at some point in my time here, you've said running an amp at full volume = bad for it's health.



The only things I could see him possible damaging would be the tubes and output transformer, both of which are replaceable.
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The only things I could see him possible damaging would be the tubes and output transformer, both of which are replaceable.


Now sure those aren't permanent murder of an amp, isn't that still severe in your eyes? Both issues of damage would leave the thread-starter with a dead amp until he drops money to replace broken parts.

Not to mention the inevitable: "I broke my amp, help me" post we'd get, which would be answered with: "Take a tech" a million times...

If he's just turning up the master volume then I agree with you, he won't hurt his amp. But if he's maxing out his volume(s), I foresee $$$ leaving his pockets.
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Of course, but he was asking about totally killing the amp, which I don't think will happen, I don't even think he'd blow the OT. Also, OTs aren't that hard to replace nor that expensive. Otherwise I'd agree.
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We agree for different reasons then lol.
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We agree for different reasons then lol.



Our arguments are kind of moot since the TS isn't even actually diming the amp
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#17
so maxing out the master volume and using the gain as a volume control will be okay?

and, worst case scenario, if i max out both, will that kill my amp?

anyone have any idea why it's so quiet? i MUST have the volume at 8 and gain on 6 for the clean channel to be heard over the drums. same for distortion too. is this normal for the TSL 60?
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#18
Wow, how many watts is the amp? It sounds like your power tubes are dying.
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#19
Shouldn't be. I run my 50 watt tube combo at about half volume and it beats my drummer over the head.

Maybe you have a conked tube?
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#20
Yes maxing out the master and using gain as volume is fine.

If you max out both it will not insta-kill your amp. But it's sorta like driving at very high RPM in a low gear in your car, you just don't do it.

When did you last change your power tubes?
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#21
i just picked it up used. it's a 2006, so i assume the tubes are stock. i am going to be picking up the Eurotubes Retube kit for it so I guess I am stuck not knowing until then.

i just wanted to be sure that running my amp that hot was not killing it. i'm new to tubes.

thanks for the help!
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#22
My guess is that you're going to be shocked at how loud the amp actually is once you get new tubes in it.
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#23
The one I tried through a 4x12 was pretty loud.
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Quote by `digitaL.braVo
Turning a tube amp up is one thing. But amps are NOT made to run at full volume. Yes you can SEVERELY damage your amp doing this.

You need to max out certain amps to get some desired tones. You usually only do this with amps that lack a master (ie: old ac30s, jpm, etc...). On newer marshalls I could see maxing out being a possible problem.