#1
Hello, no matter what I do I cant seem to tune my Dean from Hell into standard. When I tune it up, the floyd goes way unbalanced as i retune the strings up to standard again cause they went back out of tune.
I have tried tightening the spring tension screws but they went go in any further. this causes the floyd to lean towards the strings
If i ignore it, i clamp the nut locks back on and try to fine tune it but end up turning them all the way down and it still is not in tune!

I dont know what to do

Btw this is my first time, but i am sure ive done everything right.

Thanks in Advance!
#2
your strings need stretched.

/thread.
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#3
One thing was a bit unclear to me. Did you tighten the CLAW screws? Cause that should work. Ive got a pic for ya here.


Make sure that youre really tightening them, not loosing them or just rotating them in their threads.

If that doesnt work, ive made up a simple guide for you.

1: Tune the guitar.
2: Make the bridge level.
3: Tune the guitar again. If this makes the bridge return to the faulty position, overtighten the springs a bit.
4: Tune the guitar. Repeat until its done.

NOTE: You shouldnt have to do this more than 3 times, and if its still ****ed up after that you should get it to a tech.
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#4
i think that's what he means by "Spring tension screws"

if this is 'his first time', then he probably has new strings. they probably need stretched.
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#5
what you need to do is open up the back of your guitar (take off that plate thing) and take out your original springs and put in some heavier stronger ones. this will even out the floyd rose and keep your guitar in tune.... but you mentioned there was another reason why it was coming out of tune.... here are my suggestions:

get new strings
new tunners
check to make sure the locking bolt is on correctly
make sure you have the strings strung on your guitar correctly

other wise if the floyd rose is fixed, every other problem should be fine...

if you have any more questions just send a message
#6
ya strings need to be stretched but to the ts if you really aren't feeling confident with it (there are numerous guides on the internet on how to set up a floyd rose) then you can always take it to a guitar shop where they usually have someone setting up guitars though they do charge you for it.
#7
you dont need to do any of the things mentioned. what you NEED to do is this. take the back of your guitar off (plate). block the trem with wood or whatever you have lying around (i use legos)

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j284/JudokaUSA/Block_Bridge.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D725259&usg=__sUYhZR-EywN88qXcRmARXV4UvQ0=&h=420&w=560&sz=66&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=Q-JeCyERzZXwbM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dblocked%2Btremolo%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

this will keep your trem from moving. loosen the locking nut (by the headstock). turn the fine tuners on the trem to about middle. tune your guitar using the tuning machines at the headstock. once in tune tighten back down the locking nut (still at the headstock). now adjust the trem claw so that when you slide the block out from the trem that it stays at the correct angle. dont totally remove the block until the claw will hold it straight. after the claw is adjusted remove the block and fine tune if needed. the only time you should add a spring is if the claw wont hold the correct angle (the claw should NEVER be fully tightened down. ill also pm you a few links with pics.
#8
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your strings need stretched.

/thread.


Your strings don't need to be stretch. Have you ever worked with a floating trem before? Dumb way to use the /thread Not stretching your strings won't make it raise that much.

Anyways, Trivium_666 did you change tunings or string gauge? and how many springs are in the back now? You said you tightened the 2 screws almost all the way in and the claw is almost up against the wood correct? If that is so then add another spring. If your bridge is raising up your tension between springs and strings isn't equal. If you down tuned before with a thicker gauge and now tried with standard your bridge will raise up. Either go down in string gauge, or if you want to keep the same gauge add another spring and readjust the claw accordingly. If you need more help let me know.
Drakathan has it right, but I too don't understand if you tightened the 2 screws in the claw that should of made your bridge go down at least some.
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#9
I am guessing from your username (Trivium_666) that you are going to heavy strings from a previous lighter set or attempting to go from being turned down to standard.

If so, you may need to upgrade your trem springs to a heavier set or add an additional spring if you currently have only two. Then go through the blocking and tuning process jymellis posted. FRs can be a real bitch when you're changing string gauges and getting used to futzing with them.

Hang in there. You'll get the hang of it.

A bit of advice, if you're thinking of using multiple tunings and a locking tremolo guitar, it is much less trouble to have multiple guitars tuned differently. The tremolo needs to be leveled each time you made a tuning change. Hell, even tuning down or up a half step can require an adjustment.
#10
Ok guys I got some pictures for you. I have already done the block idea but when it went back out of tune I try to retune and it just keeps raising.
My string gauges are 10's, I think my last strings were 9's and my guitar WAS in Dropped C but no properly..
I asked guy to do it for me but I think he done it all wrong because it was in Dropped C but the bridge wasent parallel. the trem bar was too high in the air.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/Ultima_Feared_Demon/IMG_0358-1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/Ultima_Feared_Demon/IMG_0360.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/Ultima_Feared_Demon/IMG_0361.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/Ultima_Feared_Demon/IMG_0362.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/Ultima_Feared_Demon/IMG_0363.jpg
#11
Yup, youve done everything exactly right. All you have to do is, as said, add another spring.
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#13
wow tahta pretty bad off, im on the phone with my dad. ill get back 2 ya in a minute!
#14
3 springs and its still raising on 10's? Damn, I got 2 springs tuned 1/2 step down and using 10-46 and its fine....



3 springs should be more then good enough for 10's.

Mine isn't floating, and I switch from standard to half step down no problem. Same feel more or less and still sits right back down no problem on the body as it should.
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#15
try tightening the claw a bit more (with the block inserted to remover tension). you will also prolly need 1 more spring. try the claw first. did you get my pm?
#16
Keep screwing the spring claw screws, there is still exposed thread on them so you should be able to turn them further, or as others have said, wind the claw back a bit, pull up on the trem and add another spring.
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#17
if you guitar is in tune the way the bridge is now in these pictures, then what you need to do is tune the guitar down by 1 half step. then tighten the spring claw to raise the pitch. keep doing this until the bridge is level. i don't think you need another spring.
also, i'm sure you know this but do not lock down the strings at the nut while you do this.
also, make sure the strings are wrapped NEATLY around the tuning machine post.

Quote by Trivium_666
Ok guys I got some pictures for you. I have already done the block idea but when it went back out of tune I try to retune and it just keeps raising.
My string gauges are 10's, I think my last strings were 9's and my guitar WAS in Dropped C but no properly..
I asked guy to do it for me but I think he done it all wrong because it was in Dropped C but the bridge wasent parallel. the trem bar was too high in the air.


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/Ultima_Feared_Demon/IMG_0358-1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/Ultima_Feared_Demon/IMG_0360.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/Ultima_Feared_Demon/IMG_0361.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/Ultima_Feared_Demon/IMG_0362.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/Ultima_Feared_Demon/IMG_0363.jpg
#18
Ok guys I think my only solution is buy another spring.
Methods I have tried -
Tightening Claw Screws - No go, I couldnt tighten them AT ALL anymore no matter how hard I tried, even my dad couldnt.
That method also coincided with this method
Blocking the floyd with a battery and tuning it from there, then tightening claw until it floated - No go, couldnt tighten screws. If I could of tightend the screws that would have worked!
Blocking trem then tuning up then unblocking trem - No go either... If I tuned the low E to E then unblocked the trem the note would go down to D. If I blocked the trem, tuned the low E to F sharp then unblocked the trem it STILL would go down to D.... Very frustrating.
So I think I will just buy another spring but where should I put it? If you look at one of my pictures you can see my spring layout.

Thanks for all your help guys, I really appreciate it.
#19
Yup you got it all figured out. Add another spring is your only choice. Just seems weird to me thats all as 3 springs are sufficient for standard tuning with 10's.
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#21
Realign them. Right now its /|\ like that for you right, so make it || || all in a straight line, use the 2 outer spots and the leave the one in the middle empty. Detune your strings of course and before you do all that pop in a AA battery or something similar in the little routing right underneath the 6 screws in the back. This will explain everything, I substituted the wood block he uses for a AA battery, but whatever works. Best video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwNVjNohOt4

Edit: Only difference to what I do from that video is detune a tad, lift the bridge with my bar, pop in the battery, lay the bridge on it, detune all the way till its floppy and the string won't shoot out in my face when I loosen it from the saddle then just loosen all the screws in the saddles and take it out the string. Same thing, just a different method thats all, same results and of course this only works for floating setups that are recessed routed like yours.
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Last edited by DSOTM80 at Dec 16, 2008,
#22
The rules of physics seem to have been negated in this scenario. I can't make sense of it. I see light-ish gauge strings and three springs with the claw tightened all the way and yet the strings still pull waaayy too hard on the trem? What the...?

This may seem like a stupid question, but I know people sometimes do this: Are you sure you're not trying to tune it an octave higher than standard?


edit: Bullet for My Valentine? And a DFH? Odd mix.
#23
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This may seem like a stupid question, but I know people sometimes do this: Are you sure you're not trying to tune it an octave higher than standard?


I thought of this also. I'd suggest detuning all 6 strings till the bridge starts to cave into the body. Then tune E then A to pitch, then high e and B, then D G. As you tune the other strings, E and A will go flat, so keep repeating the process in that order (E then A, then e then B, then D then G and repeat). You'll notice each time you do it the margin will be smaller and smaller where eventually you can just tune them in order going EADGBe. Just gotta keep tuning it, welcome to floating trems. Once you're in standard you'll see where your bridge is at, if its level. If you need to loosen or tighten the claw detune first, do your claw adjustment then tune it up again. Might need to do this 2 or 3 times but once set you're good to go forever unless you change tunings or string gauges.
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#24
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edit: Bullet for My Valentine? And a DFH? Odd mix.


Where are you seeing BfmV? I dont see them in any of my pictures. But Yes I do like the band, saw them in November and they were amazing. In my pictures you will also see an Iron Maiden poster and a Machine Head poster. I have a very broad taste of music but I love Pantera, one of my favourite bands ever since CFH was released.
#25
^Something with their logo is reflecting off the guitar's finish in the picture with the closeup of the spring claw.

Did you make sure you're in the right octave?
Last edited by Pikka Bird at Dec 17, 2008,