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#1
I was in a crossroads recently, as i was reading reviews here on UG about the Les Paul guitars which made me undecisive about which to buy. Which got me to start a thread here about it.
I wanted to buy a Les Paul which is durable and versatile because I basically play a lot of varied styles from blues to heavy metal to basically anything that can be played on a guitar. (except for punk)
I was wondering which one would be affordable and of high quality.

Note: It has to be that yellow-ish color, Like Slash's in the Sweet Child O' Mine video
#2
Gibson > Epiphone

Elitist Epiphone > Gibson Low End (and if your lucky, their standard range too)
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#3
Epiphone is Gibsons Squire so if you waned to know what was better Gibson or Epiphone then it is obviously Gibson by a million miles and dont let anyone tell you differently

Edit: like the guy above, All Gibsons > All Epiphone's, thats not to say the high end epis are not good, they are, but Gibson's are better, much better.
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#5
Neither, Gibson and Epiphone are really hiking their prices at the moment so that really is a factor underuling both.
Although I do own a Epiphone Les Paul trans amber and its very good looking guitar (like slash's)

I recommend the LTD EC-400 (the flametop ones). They may not be "Les Pauls" but its a damn good buy.

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#7
if you're on a limited budget, get an epi. i've got a '96 goldtop made by them and it's done exactly what i needed it to and then some. i have no doubt that a gibson would be better, but you're gonna be paying a whole lot more.
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Epiphone is Gibsons Squire so if you waned to know what was better Gibson or Epiphone then it is obviously Gibson by a million miles and dont let anyone tell you differently

Edit: like the guy above, All Gibsons > All Epiphone's, thats not to say the high end epis are not good, they are, but Gibson's are better, much better.


no not all gibsons are better than all epiphone...if you compare the high end gibson with high end epi, and low end with low end, then most of the time yes. but if you compare low end gibson with high end epiphone, thats different.
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#9
If you're willing to spend a lot of money Gibsons are well worth it. I own a Les Paul Studio and love the thing, I can easily get amazing cleans to heavily distorted, yet articulate sounds. Of course it helps that I have a Marshall DSL 50 to play it through . Good luck with your search, and yes the LTD guitar someone mentioned earlier is a good buy, but probably wouldn't be the best for playing classic rock like you want to. I'd say go try these guitars out and see what you think.
#10
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If you're willing to spend a lot of money Gibsons are well worth it. I own a Les Paul Studio and love the thing, I can easily get amazing cleans to heavily distorted, yet articulate sounds. Of course it helps that I have a Marshall DSL 50 to play it through . Good luck with your search, and yes the LTD guitar someone mentioned earlier is a good buy, but probably wouldn't be the best for playing classic rock like you want to. I'd say go try these guitars out and see what you think.


It has the passive duncan's in, of course it is best for playing classic rock!

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#11
no not all gibsons are better than all epiphone...if you compare the high end gibson with high end epi, and low end with low end, then most of the time yes. but if you compare low end gibson with high end epiphone, thats different


Actually i have done before i bought my low end Gibson, i tried a huge number of high end epis and vaious Gibsons and i prefered all the gibsons, they just sounded and felt lke better quality instruments. The gibson's are not worth the amount extra you pay but they are better imho.
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#12
My roommates gibson is sick, plays and feels amazing. Me, being too poor to afford that, got an agile. Plays like the higher end epiphones and cost less

heres one kinda like slashes, its a little bit lighter than the one he plays in sweet child of mine but close:
http://www.rondomusic.com/al3000hsb.html
#13
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Actually i have done before i bought my low end Gibson, i tried a huge number of high end epis and vaious Gibsons and i prefered all the gibsons, they just sounded and felt lke better quality instruments. The gibson's are not worth the amount extra you pay but they are better imho.


When you say high end epi's, did you play any elitists?

When I stumbled on mine it kicked the crap out of the gibsons I played that day..

All guitars are different though, there are bound to be good and bad of both.
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#14
get an epiphone standard with the look you want and put gibson pickups in it, it will sound exactly the same as a gibson with the same pickup. May not looks "as" nice but its looks are close enough. Decent Epi. + Gibson pickups = same sound as gibson = more money in your pocket
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Quote by jolleymuse
Actually i have done before i bought my low end Gibson, i tried a huge number of high end epis and vaious Gibsons and i prefered all the gibsons, they just sounded and felt lke better quality instruments. The gibson's are not worth the amount extra you pay but they are better imho.



so youve compared the melody maker to the elitist les paul custom?

or even the les paul studios are said to be worse than the elitist...
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#16
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My roommates gibson is sick, plays and feels amazing. Me, being too poor to afford that, got an agile. Plays like the higher end epiphones and cost less

heres one kinda like slashes, its a little bit lighter than the one he plays in sweet child of mine but close:
http://www.rondomusic.com/al3000hsb.html


the thing I have against agiles is that they dont really look like a les paul...atleast in my eyes, that cut just doesnt look close enough like a les paul..
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#17
Must it be "like slash". I love the guitar too, but dont get one just because he does hah
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#18
I say an LTD Eclipse. Epis have really shot up in price, and I imagine Gibson is following suite. Agiles are another good option, and they have ome very cool features, the most remarkable being uniform-profile necks and compound radius fingerboards, both of which nether company has.
#19
When you say high end epi's, did you play any elitists?

When I stumbled on mine it kicked the crap out of the gibsons I played that day..

All guitars are different though, there are bound to be good and bad of both.


I compared several elitist custom epis to les paul studios and the studios i played were way better. But like you said all guitars are different and maybe we like different things in a guitar, whatever, i was just stating my opinion that in my experience the gibsons are better
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#20
Want a good, versatile LP? Get the Amber Sunburst LTD EC-1000.
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#22
I'd get an Elitist for sure with that kind of money.
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#23
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Epiphone is Gibsons Squire so if you waned to know what was better Gibson or Epiphone then it is obviously Gibson by a million miles and dont let anyone tell you differently

Edit: like the guy above, All Gibsons > All Epiphone's, thats not to say the high end epis are not good, they are, but Gibson's are better, much better.


You're an idiot.

High-end Epis (Elitists) > Low end Gibbys.

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I compared several elitist custom epis to les paul studios and the studios i played were way better. But like you said all guitars are different and maybe we like different things in a guitar, whatever, i was just stating my opinion that in my experience the gibsons are better


I might have gotten an exceptionally good one then. I have played a LOT of gibsons including supremes, custom shops, studios and everything in between. This elitist (in my opinion) sat right between the studio's and standards.
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#25
^ Pretty much the same here.

Though I usually hear the contrary, in where Elitist are normally better than any Studio but who knows.
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#26
My Les Paul Custon apparently has the components of a gibson but its an epiphone so you save the money. Unless you care about looking good from the brand, just get a top of the line epiphone.
#27
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the thing I have against agiles is that they dont really look like a les paul...atleast in my eyes, that cut just doesnt look close enough like a les paul..



Yeah that's why I hate Agiles. They may be great guitars.... but that rounded off horn looks like ****. I wouldn't pay $10 for one because of that.
#28
Every properly set up well built Gibson I've played has been better than every Epiphone I've played. The Elitist Epiphones are good though. But their standard line is nothing to write home about. Gibson puts out a fair amount of duds these days through its studio->standard line but if you're comparing an entire line based on duds you're an idiot. Play the guitar before you buy to make sure it's a quality instrument, it's that simple.

That being said, keep in mind also that new standard production les pauls (studio->standard) are chambered for weight relief. Some people absolutely detest this (I'm not really sure why), but I actually kind of like the tone. It's bright, resonant and airy. For some reason, people are convinced that les pauls have to be heavy (ironic because the much heralded '58-'60 les pauls were not really that heavy at all).
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#29
^ agreed (i should add that i haven't tried any japanese epiphones, which i assume are pretty sweet).

japanese copies are worth considering as well- tokai, edwards, etc. etc.
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#30
Tokais are quality, especially if you're talking about the old 80s Love Rocks which are easily on par with anything Gibson has put out in the past few decades. Good tone woods, high quality craftsmanship, good guitars overall. Same with the old "Navigator" LP copies from the '80s. Edwards to me is about the same as the Elitist line. Quality instruments none the less.
#31
yeah. if you have the money to buy an (non-japanese) epiphone, then it's certainly worth considering saving up slightly more to get an edwards, mid-range MIJ Tokai etc. as they're of similar quality to non-custom shop Gibsons (except without the full nitro finsih, and are probably african mahogany instead of south american), and there's better QC (you don't have to try 20 to find a good one, but then the flip of that is that if you do find the good Gibson, it's likely to be great!).

If you have enough for a custom shop Gibson, then that's a different story- but as you say, you also have the option of high-end tokais, navigators, bacchus etc. which use all the right materials, and which are arguably more accurate than even CS Gibsons (they use honduran mahogany, brazilian rosewood/jacaranda fretboard, etc.)... unfortunately, I haven't been able to try them.



EDIT: i haven't tried any 80s love rocks, but my '84 (with a refret, lol) goldstar is easily the equal of Fender USA reissues.
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#32
i'd compare Epi Les paul to the Gibson, like a Mexican to American strat.

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#33
Why do people think that low end Gibsons are crap? They are made by the same people, in the same factory, using the same tools, and are made at the same time as the other USA Gibsons.
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Why do people think that low end Gibsons are crap? They are made by the same people, in the same factory, using the same tools, and are made at the same time as the other USA Gibsons.


Because many of them are people who have minimal personal experience and form an opinion based on what they hear from others and read about in forums. Thus for the most part, they don't truly understand the nuances of a good guitar.
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#35
i've tried some low end gibsons which i wouldn't have said were that great. they tend to still sound pretty good (i'd still most likely rather have one than an epi, you can fix bad fretwork but not bad wood), but the fretwork and attention to detail can be pretty poor...
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#36
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Yeah that's why I hate Agiles. They may be great guitars.... but that rounded off horn looks like ****. I wouldn't pay $10 for one because of that.

I think it looks fine...
Plus, no one really pays attention to that unless they are a guitar player...
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#37
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i've tried some low end gibsons which i wouldn't have said were that great. they tend to still sound pretty good (i'd still most likely rather have one than an epi, you can fix bad fretwork but not bad wood), but the fretwork and attention to detail can be pretty poor...


Exactly, but to some people poor fretwork and sloppy wiring and poor factory setup are unaccepatable on a $1000 guitar. I personally don't care, a setup and fret job are eventually inevitable for just about every guitar. And I rip out the electronics and replace them with an RS kit and aftermarket pickups anyway. I just care that it 1) sounds good unplugged 2) is well built 3) feels good in my hands. But if I got stuff like bad frets on a $3000 VOS les paul, then I'd be pissed. Of course I would never buy a $3000 guitar with bad frets in the first place, which is why people should really be trying these guitars themselves first.

Another thing about these comparisons. In my honest opinion, someone playing metal through a Mesa boogie or Peavey 6505 etc. will really not be able to tell the difference between a high end les paul with a low end les paul with the same pickups. The more gain you start adding, the more all guitars start sounding the same. You don't really hear the differences in the woods until you start running the les paul into a very dynamic amplifiers and not covering up their more subtle characteristics with a ton of gain.
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#38
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I think it looks fine...
Plus, no one really pays attention to that unless they are a guitar player...


The only real difference is the SLIGHTLY rounded cutaway, and the strap button is a little higher. Not enough to make a huge difference. To say one wouldn't buy an Agile for 10 bucks based on that is absolutely stupid, borderline retarded.
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#39
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The only real difference is the SLIGHTLY rounded cutaway, and the strap button is a little higher. Not enough to make a huge difference. To say one wouldn't buy an Agile for 10 bucks based on that is absolutely stupid, borderline retarded.


I would buy it only to sell it on Ebay, I think that it is hideous.
#40
epi> gibson. gibsons quality sucks BIG TIME now. they are COMPLETLY overpriced and your paying like 200 bucks for just the brand. gibsons are also really overrated. id take an epi over a gibson anyday but id take a jackson over both
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