#1
does an extra 70 pound price tag justify a 212 tube amp ? is there much deifference

i want a valveking 112, but im concerend whether it will be able to play talent shows etc in my school hall with upwards of 300 people.

or should i just lay down the extra to get the 100 watt 212, which will be an ass to carry down my stairs etc since it weighs and extra like 20 lbs
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#3
112 will be absolutley fine if your only playing talent shows.
I prefer the sound of a 2x12 though.
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#4
i would think for 300+people you would mic your equipment. the 212 sounds fuller though. but honestly 112 will be fine. expecially for moving and whatnot.
#5
I think 2x12's generally sound better (fuller, more open), but volume wise you'd be fine with either, unless it's got really low wattage or something. Anyway if you get to do more serious gigs, your amp will usually be miced anyway so the volume won't be an issue.
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212 will give you alot more power, the 2 speakers will push more sound

No it won't - it's not going to make a massive difference and the 1x12 will be plenty loud enough
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No it won't - it's not going to make a massive difference and the 1x12 will be plenty loud enough


So a ****load more bottom end isn't a massive difference?
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No it won't - it's not going to make a massive difference and the 1x12 will be plenty loud enough

Um, yes it will. 40 watts more specifically.
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Um, yes it will. 40 watts more specifically.


50 watts even more specifically.

The 2x12 has switchable output impedances too, which is useful if you wanted to use it to power an external cab etc..
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50 watts even more specifically.

The 2x12 has switchable output impedances too, which is useful if you wanted to use it to power an external cab etc..

Touche. I always thought the 1x12 was 60 watts.
#11
will it sound " bigger and bassier" and generally loder, that my freinds 100 watt mg
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will it sound " bigger and bassier" and generally loder, that my freinds 100 watt mg

It will make his MG sound like a dying animal.
#13
Quote by steven seagull
No it won't - it's not going to make a massive difference and the 1x12 will be plenty loud enough
I'd argue that it would make a quite large difference, seeing as it is both doubled in wattage and in speaker surface area so it'd be much louder than the 1x12.

But that said, the 1x12 is loud enough anyway, you'll save money with it, it'll sound good enough and still miles better than your friend's MG, and a 2x12 tube combo WILL break your back

1x12 is the logical choice here. Trust me, a tube amp sounds louder than an equivalent SS amp. I can overpower 100w MGs with headroom to spare on my 30w 1x12 tube combo.
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#14
i have a vk 112.... It sounds good and has PLENTY of volume. With volume boost off at 3 volume on the gain channel, my windows were shaking.

and about the mg...

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#17
It's personal preference when it comes to the number of speakers.

My personal favorite is a 2x12. It's the best tone and volume that fits in a ford fiesta boot .
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i wouldn't even bother with the valveking, giant piece of mud. But if you had to go with one, then stay with the 1x12, no real point in getting the 2x12 except for more money to put into getting a better tone, that still wont sound great.
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#19
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A second speaker will only give you 3db more than a 1x12.



Thats quite a bit
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Thats quite a bit



AND 50 MORE WATTS.


And I agree with the post a bit above.

Valvekings are awful.
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#21
Valvekings are fine.

Get the 1x12. 50 watts is more than enough for you. I think most people on here severely underestimate loudness.
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I rarely get my 50 watt amp to half its maximum volume. The thing is a POWERHOUSE.
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#23
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does an extra 70 pound price tag justify a 212 tube amp ? is there much deifference


Screw that and get a Randall!!!

Hehe sorry. The 112 is loud as hell. In my opinion the 112 sounded better than the 212. The distortion was to muddy in my opinion. But I only played it low volumes and the difference will be heard when going up loud.
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#24
When you mod it in the future, 2 speakers are more expensive than 1. I'd recommend the 112.

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#26
Go with the 112...

Pro's

Less speakers to replace
Plenty loud enough
50 watts will give you more versatility if you play classic rock because it will have less headroom but still enough headroom to play metal.
Less weight
Less expensive
Cheaper to replace tubes/upgrade tubes

Also your only getting about a 3db increase from the wattage and 3db from the speaker. Now factor in a 3dB change is considered a just-perceivable difference its really not worth the extra cash if your looking for more volume. Thats what a pa system is for.

Now that said running 2x12's will sound fuller and disperse air better. But in my opinion its not worth the extra cash in your case. If you were trying to decide between cabs it would be a different story.

Hope that helps...
#27
Let's put it this way,

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