#1
UPDATED ORIGINAL POST!

ok so far it looks like i have everything i need to install them.

BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE ONE FINAL PROBLEM!

here is the pdf instructions for installing them: http://www.seymourduncan.com/images.../501020-110.pdf

My case is the "2 volume, 2 tone" scenario

the ONLY thing that is bugging me is the wire coming out of the far end of the 3-way toggle switch (not the one with three wires connected.

Here is a picture of an SG cavity i found on the internet, it is of an SG juior but the 3-way switch is pretty much the same:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg234/bostonguitarrepair/1965%20SG%20Junior/IMG_4925.jpg

how do i put in that third cable (it is the one that goes from the 3-way toggle to the "bridge volume 25k" thing

thanks
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Last edited by gpowsang at Dec 25, 2008,
#2
you thought incorrectly.
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#3
one battery will power both
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#4
Quote by bob vila
you thought incorrectly.


This.

Active pickups only use one battery for the set, thats why you hear a lot of talk about the EMG 18v mod - its a mod to make each pickup run off a separate battery.
#5
^thanks for the replies

also, has ANYONE tried doing the 18 volt mod on SD Blackouts?

is it even possible?
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#6
Quote by gpowsang
^thanks for the replies

also, has ANYONE tried doing the 18 volt mod on SD Blackouts?

is it even possible?

I've heard of a few people doing it on this site but they said it didn't make mush of a difference. SD themselves also say the difference is negligible (though if this is a ploy to make Blackouts seem better than EMG's I am not sure.)
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#7
Quote by i_am_metalhead
Active pickups only use one battery for the set, thats why you hear a lot of talk about the EMG 18v mod - its a mod to make each pickup run off a separate battery.


It absolutely is not. I just did the mod to my guitar a few weeks ago. You run two batteries in series to double the voltage.
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Last edited by Dalroth at Dec 23, 2008,
#8
thanks for the replies, is there ANY chance one of you can give me instructions as if i were a 5th grader on how to install the Blackouts on my SG?
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#9
just get it installed by someone who knows what they're doing; that's a big rewire (4 pots a switch and a stereo jack, plus pickups and a battery clip).
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#10
^the problem is i cant really afford to have the ppl at GC, whom are apparently the only guitar techs in my area, its like $48 PER pickup
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You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
#12
The pickups come with soldering instructions right?

1. Pull knobs off and unscrew metal washer thing under knobs. Do the same to the pickup
selector (shouldn't be too hard to figure out how to remove)
2. Flip guitar over and pull the pots (silver circular things), and all previous wiring out.
You're gonna want to start from scratch.
3. Fit new pickups into cavity, obviously pull the wires through the holes, and put them
through the hole going into the pot cavity.

Soldering Iron Lesson?
if you've never used one.. I'd practice on a wire from old wiring situation/pickups.
Find a clamp or something to hold the wire. You can't hold it yourself or you'll probably
burn yourself. Get a fan to circulate the [toxic led] fumes. So you hold the trigger down,
and the tip of the iron gets damn hot right? But the idea is not to put the metal you melt directly onto the iron, you put the hot tip of the iron onto the wire for a little while, and when its really hot, you stick the meltable metal onto the wire, and the heat of the WIRE makes the metal melt onto it.
Okay, 10 second recap: Iron on wire, wire heats up, hold meltable metal on wire,
metal melts and then re-solidifies on the wire.

PRECAUTIONS!
-Make sure you have the fan blowing the fumes away from you, dead brain cells suck.
-Make sure the meltable metal IS NOT an acid core type. It'll eat away at the electronics.
-Apparently it isn't a good idea to use a soldering iron on electronics above 25 watts, but I used a 100-300 (I forget?) watt iron on mine and it was fine.
-Read a website about soldering, cause I probably missed a thing or two.

So solder the right connections together according to the instructions, and in a couple hours you'll have new pickups installed.
Put everything back together, and test it out!

Oh, and make sure if you're gonna take a break for the night or whatever, that your strings are back on the guitar, you don't want an adjusted truss rod in the morning.
#13
^a FEW HOURS!!!!!

damn me and my dad are in for a long xmas eve...
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SG --> MXR --> ISP --> B-52
#14
update, thankfully my cousin is solder-savy and will do it for us


i recently got a gift card for Amazon and was planning on getting the ISP decimator, does anyone know if the Blackouts eliminate enough humm that i wont even need a noise suppressor?
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B-52 At-112 60 Wat All Tube Combo
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MXR 108 10 Band EQ
ISP Noise Gate
SETUP
SG --> MXR --> ISP --> B-52
#15
even the best pickups don't elimate all the noise at higher volume levels.
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#16
Yup, when I installed ONE EMG I stayed up until 4 in the morning doing it HAHA.
Most of the time was spent doing other miscellaneous annoyances like looking for
a screwdriver, fan, clamp, and then have my strings not cooperate with me when putting them back on.

You'll feel proud afterwards though =D
#17
Quote by Faux~Affliction
The pickups come with soldering instructions right?

1. Pull knobs off and unscrew metal washer thing under knobs. Do the same to the pickup
selector (shouldn't be too hard to figure out how to remove)
2. Flip guitar over and pull the pots (silver circular things), and all previous wiring out.
You're gonna want to start from scratch.
3. Fit new pickups into cavity, obviously pull the wires through the holes, and put them
through the hole going into the pot cavity.

Soldering Iron Lesson?
if you've never used one.. I'd practice on a wire from old wiring situation/pickups.
Find a clamp or something to hold the wire. You can't hold it yourself or you'll probably
burn yourself. Get a fan to circulate the [toxic led] fumes. So you hold the trigger down,
and the tip of the iron gets damn hot right? But the idea is not to put the metal you melt directly onto the iron, you put the hot tip of the iron onto the wire for a little while, and when its really hot, you stick the meltable metal onto the wire, and the heat of the WIRE makes the metal melt onto it.
Okay, 10 second recap: Iron on wire, wire heats up, hold meltable metal on wire,
metal melts and then re-solidifies on the wire.

PRECAUTIONS!
-Make sure you have the fan blowing the fumes away from you, dead brain cells suck.
-Make sure the meltable metal IS NOT an acid core type. It'll eat away at the electronics.
-Apparently it isn't a good idea to use a soldering iron on electronics above 25 watts, but I used a 100-300 (I forget?) watt iron on mine and it was fine.
-Read a website about soldering, cause I probably missed a thing or two.

So solder the right connections together according to the instructions, and in a couple hours you'll have new pickups installed.
Put everything back together, and test it out!

Oh, and make sure if you're gonna take a break for the night or whatever, that your strings are back on the guitar, you don't want an adjusted truss rod in the morning.



ok just to clarify on your "precautions" section. I got the Bernz-o-matic 60/40 Lead bearing Electrical Solder (Rosin Core Solder), is that an acid core?

And when u sat above 25 watts, is that referring to the watts of the soldering gun?

thanks again
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B-52 At-112 60 Wat All Tube Combo
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MXR 108 10 Band EQ
ISP Noise Gate
SETUP
SG --> MXR --> ISP --> B-52
#18
bumpity bump
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#19
you know, the "rosin core" in the name might be an indicator of whether or not it has an acid core.
#20
^so....is rosin an acid?
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#21
Read Updated Op!
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#22
no, rosin core is not an acid core. i use a 60/40 rosin core and it works just fine, so i would say go with it if you're looking for solder.
#23
thanks

how about the question in the edited OP?
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MXR 108 10 Band EQ
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SETUP
SG --> MXR --> ISP --> B-52
#24
bump
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#25
rebump
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#26
bump bump BUMP!
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B-52 At-112 60 Wat All Tube Combo
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MXR 108 10 Band EQ
ISP Noise Gate
SETUP
SG --> MXR --> ISP --> B-52
#27
Quote by gpowsang
^thanks for the replies

also, has ANYONE tried doing the 18 volt mod on SD Blackouts?

is it even possible?

isnt the point of 18v modding emg's to make it sound more like blackouts w/ less mids or something.
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#28
rebump

please read edited OP for new question
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SG --> MXR --> ISP --> B-52
#29
Quote by apak
isnt the point of 18v modding emg's to make it sound more like blackouts w/ less mids or something.


No, the 18v mod was done long before blackouts came out. It's done to double the voltage. thus improving the sound - it gives the EMGs more punch, clarity and "life".
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#30
bump PLEASE READ EDITED OP FOR QUESTION!!!
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Gibson SG Special Faded Brown w/ Duncan Blackouts
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B-52 At-112 60 Wat All Tube Combo
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MXR 108 10 Band EQ
ISP Noise Gate
SETUP
SG --> MXR --> ISP --> B-52
#31
can someone just please answer my last question so i can install it?
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Gibson SG Special Faded Brown w/ Duncan Blackouts
AMP
B-52 At-112 60 Wat All Tube Combo
PEDALS
MXR 108 10 Band EQ
ISP Noise Gate
SETUP
SG --> MXR --> ISP --> B-52
#32
can someone just please answer my last question so i can install it?

PLEASE!
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Gibson SG Special Faded Brown w/ Duncan Blackouts
AMP
B-52 At-112 60 Wat All Tube Combo
PEDALS
MXR 108 10 Band EQ
ISP Noise Gate
SETUP
SG --> MXR --> ISP --> B-52
#33
Save the money. Get it done right. No Problems

Honestly I would save up to get it installed by a tech. I've known 3 people that tried to work on their guitars without any previous knowledge and they ended up screwing up there guitar. Which caused them to spend more money to have someone fix it.

Especially if you have a Gibson, I wouldn't **** around with that as your first attempt at installing pickups. If you do, you'll void the authenticity of it, so have a Gibson certified tech do it. But at the same time changing your pickups would void your authenticity. So, save your pickups in it right now, get someone to put in the blacksout, and if you want to sell it in the future reinstall the original Gibson pickups.
#34
^well what do you mean "ruin the authenticity of it"?

I mean my cousin has plenty experience soldering in stuff like car stereos....
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Gibson SG Special Faded Brown w/ Duncan Blackouts
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B-52 At-112 60 Wat All Tube Combo
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MXR 108 10 Band EQ
ISP Noise Gate
SETUP
SG --> MXR --> ISP --> B-52