#1
So, I've sold off some old gear and want to buy a new toy.
I was thinking either a Fender Deluxe Ash American Strat or a Gibson Les Paul Studio.
I already have an Epiphone Les Paul Custom and an LTD KH-602 so I thought a Strat would give me more tonal options.
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#2
well do you want fender sound or gibson sound?
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#3
Not sure if this counts as versus thread because its not talking about personal opinion, but your actually looking to buy.. but beware if people reporting due to thread title alone..
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#4
If you think it will give you more tonal options then go for the strat. They're fine guitars.
#5
Do you want a thick crunchy sound or a sharp clear sound?
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doesn't the rules specifically say no vs threads?
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#7
the les paul studio has reliability issues and isn't all that much better than the epiphone les paul custom you have. I would go for the Strat.
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doesn't the rules specifically say no vs threads?

Reading what TS said after the title ussually helps...
#9
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the les paul studio has reliability issues and isn't all that much better than the epiphone les paul custom you have. I would go for the Strat.


I'm curious as to what kind of "reliability' issues a guitar really has.
#10
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I'm curious as to what kind of "reliability' issues a guitar really has.


Me to. I've played a few, they all seem fine to me.
At my local store, I've actually found problems in 2 LP Customs, while the Studios were perfect.
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I'm curious as to what kind of "reliability' issues a guitar really has.


Pickups going out, the head cracking off(I saw it happen to, embarrassingly to GC, a floor odel an employee was demonstrating), and hardware f***ing up.
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#12
While I agree Gibsons electronics are crap, saying that the Epiphone is a more reliable guitar in comparison is just plain laughable to me. I've seen more issues in Epiphone les pauls than I've seen in any other guitar (though this matters very little as they're usually easy fixes).

That being said, if one cares about his tone, he would get rid of the stock electronics anyway and put in quality caps and pots.

As for the head cracking off, I've never seen that happen on any guitar randomly without some sort of blow to the headstock. But regardless, les pauls are notoriously weak at the headstock, it's just a characteristic of the guitar's design.
#13
I missed the Epiphone thing, sorry about that. I agree then, Gibson > Epiphone unless you get a bad one.

And agreed here as well.

It was probably a lemon with a weak bit of wood there, but it still happened. ;P
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#14
On equal price guitars, I'd take the Fender any day of the week.
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#15
i've never seen pickups just 'go out' on a guitar, especially one that wasn't already a couple decades old at least...and how does the hardware just 'f*ck up'? the hardware on LP style guitars is pretty much fixed...unless you've got some rigged floyd rose installed on your LP i don't see how the hardware is just gonna mess up on you. and it's hard for them NOT to notice from the factory that there's something wrong with the hardware...it's either good or it's not (non-moving parts i mean).

are we sure it's not just a 'Gibson LP Studios are garbage' bandwagon thing going on? as far as i understood, their quality hasn't plummeted, it's just the price per quality ratio has skyrocketed for Gibson.

but what do i know..
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i've never seen pickups just 'go out' on a guitar, especially one that wasn't already a couple decades old at least...and how does the hardware just 'f*ck up'? the hardware on LP style guitars is pretty much fixed...unless you've got some rigged floyd rose installed on your LP i don't see how the hardware is just gonna mess up on you. and it's hard for them NOT to notice from the factory that there's something wrong with the hardware...it's either good or it's not (non-moving parts i mean).

are we sure it's not just a 'Gibson LP Studios are garbage' bandwagon thing going on? as far as i understood, their quality hasn't plummeted, it's just the price per quality ratio has skyrocketed for Gibson.

but what do i know..


Gibson definitely has quality control issues these days but I'm most surprised to see that all the bashing goes towards the studio when the Standard suffers from the exact same QC issues that the studio does, all while costing twice the price of a studio. The entire line of Gibson USA production models have some of the same problems but the prices on the standards are ridiculous. The extra to have fretboard and body binding, a figured top, and upgraded pickups is not really worth an extra $1000 in my book. And on top of this I've seen the same problems with uneven frets, imperfections in finish and the same poor factory setup out of the les paul standards. My next les paul is either coming from the custom shop or from Japan.

What I don't get is when people say that the standard production Epiphones are better guitars and that you're just paying for the name with guitars like the studio when 1) the studios are the standard with some cosmetic differences and different pickups 2) a studio still uses better hardware, higher quality woods, better electronics and are better built than just about all the Epiphones barring the MIJ Elitist line (which cost about the same as the studios anyway). I don't even know how many times I've heard "just replace the pickups and you pretty much have the same guitar," when it's obviously not the case. Most of these people either 1) are following a bandwagon opinion or 2) really have no experience whatsoever with high end gear. Through my JTM45, one can hear the difference between a Gibson and an Epiphone. Even through the same pickups.
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#17
^ Mostly true, but I'd still take an MiJ Epi over a low end Gibson any day of the week.
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#18
depends on your musical tastes. i have owned a couple of les pauls in the past but am now strictly a strat man, partly down to my musical style and partly to what feels right to me.

you have to go and try both. i know what works for me, i'd have the strat any day but that doesn't make it right for everybody.
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#19
In terms of playability I'd take a strat, but in terms of sound and aesthetics I'd go les paul.
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#20
Well for music style, I have the LTD to play my metal, and the Epi for something ummm, less metal I guess. I thought the Strat would be great for some early rock and blues. I'm a huge SRV fan and love a Strat's neck pickup but I also love crazy thrash metal hence the LTD. Thinking of going with the Fender route; it gives me more playing options although Les Pauls work for blues too...
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doesn't the rules specifically say no vs threads?

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#22
I think Strats are a more versatile guitar, but I prefer playing Gibsons. I actually dislike the feel of playing a strat, but everytime I own one & sell it, I find I need that sound again. I've owned 3 Strats, sold them all, and again, just bought another on ebay yesterday. Nothing can duplicate that Strat Quack.

And a note on LP Studios... While the new ones suffer from the general downfall in Gibson QC, late 80's-early 90's LP Studios were great. I got mine new in '92 when they were putting ebony fretboards and good tuners (not the green key-Kluson style) on them. It has the same pickups a LP Custom has, stays in tune quite well, and has never electronically let me down once.
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#23
Quote by bassisto
So, I've sold off some old gear and want to buy a new toy.
I was thinking either a Fender Deluxe Ash American Strat or a Gibson Les Paul Studio.
I already have an Epiphone Les Paul Custom and an LTD KH-602 so I thought a Strat would give me more tonal options.
Cheers

I hate to sound rude, but decide for yourself. If you want a strat sound, buy a strat. If you want a les paul sound, buy a les paul. If you need someone to tell you which one you should buy, then you don't know what you want, and shouldn't get anything, because getting a guitar because someone told you to instead of because you like it is dumb.
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#24
Played them both, bought the Strat. This thing is amazing!
Thanks for some input.
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Quote by bassisto
So, I've sold off some old gear and want to buy a new toy.
I was thinking either a Fender Deluxe Ash American Strat or a Gibson Les Paul Studio.
I already have an Epiphone Les Paul Custom and an LTD KH-602 so I thought a Strat would give me more tonal options.
Cheers

i dont ussually take part in the gibson v. fender issue because they're so different
its like compareing buckethead to kurt cabain
and the only reason this issue comes up is because when we were all little guitar noobs we all either wanted a fender or a gibson wich is mainly because thy're just about the most popular stuffs out they're
(ps i say get the strat and throw a nice bucker in the bridge position)
(oh and can some one expain to me the S-1 swithcing system and its advantages over a 5-way switch)
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#26
gibson is a good guitar but fender is to.So it depends on what your style or what feels good to you.
#27
1. this is a vs thread
2. there are 100 other threads like this
3. go for gibson
#28
i always thought that gibsons were better than strats. To me, Gibsons ar better because the place where the neck meets the body, therer isnt a big cube, just a smooth place to run your hand over.


I think this guy is a troll, he probably hasnt checked this yet.
#29
Fender's clean tones are great but fr metal not as good but on the other hand the les paul is a good guitar to play really anything.
#30
What do you folks think of the Epiphone Elitist Les Paul '57 Goldtop ? If it's been set up, do you think a 2005 would be worth a grand?

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#31
What do you folks think of the Epiphone Elitist Les Paul '57 Goldtop ? If it's been set up, do you think a 2005 would be worth a grand?

Dil
#32
IMO The Elitists beat out similarly-prices Gibsons. Go for it, definitely worth 1k.
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#33
Out of those I would buy the Fender, but thats just because I don't like the Studio's neck.
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#34
I cant get near a Gibson price wise, too spendy. How is that you feel that the elitist is better than many low end Gibsons? Thx, Dil
#37
If you want Gibson go with Explorer.
If you like a jazz sound fender is for you.
i get gibson.....
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