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#1
So......... Whats the whole crying stuff?

I mean mostly in movies theres people crying there asses off becase they have to go in for abortion, and then i saw this add asking us to use a condom so that they dont have to go for abortion and all, and then theyn showed a video of a girl crying....


So....... whats the whole deal? Why is abortion so "sad feelling provoking"?
Female opinions would be nice..........
#2
You're killing a possible child. It's seen as a bad thing against you. It's like a stigma.

EDIT: I'd like to point out that I don't believe Abortion is murder because I believe for a baby to be a live they need to be alive, and not a foetus.
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#3
Because it's murder. Murder usually causes tears.
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#4
The fact that you will have to live with the fact that you're a child murderer, and that you've sunken to the same level as some of the most horrendous criminals in history.
#6
Killing unborn babies isn't exactly something that most people want to be doing...
Whether they're pro or anti abortion
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#7
it goes against natural human impulses, and it's not really something anyone would want to go through, I mean think about it, would you really want to have to go through that?
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#9
abortion is not friggin' murder and you do not sink to the same depths as child rapists/murderer/whatever. If your using the "potentionally" a child argument, then every sperm is a potential child, so every time you DON'T impregnate someone (an infinite number of times even if you do), then you're a child killer, it doesn't work out.
#10
I cry everytime I cum in some paper. I'm killing millions right there. That's like, genocide.
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abortion is not friggin' murder and you do not sink to the same depths as child rapists/murderer/whatever. If your using the "potentionally" a child argument, then every sperm is a potential child, so every time you DON'T impregnate someone (an infinite number of times even if you do), then you're a child killer, it doesn't work out.


Yeah it does, and if you can't work out how useless that argument is, then you must be extremely stupid.

If you leave a sperm cell on it's own, and it doesn't fertilise an egg, it can never become a child. Once it fetilises an egg, that process has begun, and can't be stopped, unless you kill the baby.
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#12
Because people are stupid.
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#13
Abortion is murder. A fetus IS alive. If someone were to hit a pregnant woman in the stomach and the baby dies as a result, they would be charged with murder. I don't see how women can leave their babies in garbage dumpsters and hotel room toilets and be prosecuted but a woman can have her baby sucked out of her piece by piece through a tube and it be perfectly legal. People always talk about women's rights and ****, but they have a right men don't have: the right to commit premeditated murder.
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Yeah it does, and if you can't work out how useless that argument is, then you must be extremely stupid.

If you leave a sperm cell on it's own, and it doesn't fertilise an egg, it can never become a child. Once it fetilises an egg, that process has begun, and can't be stopped, unless you kill the baby.


well, really it can (and often does) stop on it's own a lot more often than you'd think.

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Abortion is murder. A fetus IS alive. If someone were to hit a pregnant woman in the stomach and the baby dies as a result, they would be charged with murder. I don't see how women can leave their babies in garbage dumpsters and hotel room toilets and be prosecuted but a woman can have her baby sucked out of her piece by piece through a tube and it be perfectly legal. People always talk about women's rights and ****, but they have a right men don't have: the right to commit premeditated murder.


the difference between a girl having a baby and leaving it in a dumpster and a girl having an abortion, is that when the girl has a baby and abandons it, the baby could survive outside the mothers body without the mother (assuming it had someone else to take care of it) whereas in an abortion it's just a mass of cells or so underdeveloped that it isn't really a person yet.
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#15
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Because people are stupid.


+1

Asking why abortion is wrong is like asking why paris hilton is famous. Because most humans has the intelligence level of a retarded duck.
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+1

Asking why abortion is wrong is like asking why paris hilton is famous. Because most humans has the intelligence level of a retarded duck.


#18
im pro abortion so long as theres a good reason for it, and ifor once i pretty much agree with the current uk law (this is a very rare occurence) but even if you morally agree with it it can be difficult, our natural instinct is to protect babies, this is why men instinctively protect women and why the most painfall place to be hit is the balls. and when women are pregnant hormones make them even more protective so even if they agree with there abortion on every morale ground, they got to ignore there natural instinct. ive tried to make this as scientifically analytical as possible, u can make your own mind on wether eyou agree.
#19
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well, really it can (and often does) stop on it's own a lot more often than you'd think.


the difference between a girl having a baby and leaving it in a dumpster and a girl having an abortion, is that when the girl has a baby and abandons it, the baby could survive outside the mothers body without the mother (assuming it had someone else to take care of it) whereas in an abortion it's just a mass of cells or so underdeveloped that it isn't really a person yet.



There is no difference. A baby is a baby. And actually everybody is just a mass of cells. And if you've seen a video of an abortion, you'd change your mind. The BABY is actually trying to get away. And when exactly do YOU consider a person to be a person?
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#21
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abortion is not friggin' murder and you do not sink to the same depths as child rapists/murderer/whatever. If your using the "potentionally" a child argument, then every sperm is a potential child, so every time you DON'T impregnate someone (an infinite number of times even if you do), then you're a child killer, it doesn't work out.


That really doesn't answer the question that TS asked.

But if you're going to try pull an argument like that out of your ass at least use the number of eggs a woman has rather than the millions of sperm.
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#22
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the difference between a girl having a baby and leaving it in a dumpster and a girl having an abortion, is that when the girl has a baby and abandons it, the baby could survive outside the mothers body without the mother (assuming it had someone else to take care of it) whereas in an abortion it's just a mass of cells or so underdeveloped that it isn't really a person yet.


Children can be born before the abortion cut-off date and survive. My sister was born very shortly after that point, and she is funny, really clever, popular, everything.

Have you ever watched a recording of an abortion?
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#23
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There is no difference. A baby is a baby. And actually everybody is just a mass of cells. And if you've seen a video of an abortion, you'd change your mind. The BABY is actually trying to get away. And when exactly do YOU consider a person to be a person?


I have seen videos of abortions, usually it just looks like they are inserting something into a womens vagina and some crap comes out. Unless you're talking about late term abortions, which are really rare anyway, and are only commonly known because religious nutjobs like to use them as propaganda.

and I believe a person becomes a person when they gain the ability for cognitive thought.

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Children can be born before the abortion cut-off date and survive. My sister was born very shortly after that point, and she is funny, really clever, popular, everything.

Have you ever watched a recording of an abortion?


you're talking about late term abortion again, see above.
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I have seen videos of abortions, usually it just looks like they are inserting something into a womens vagina and some crap comes out. Unless you're talking about late term abortions, which are really rare anyway, and are only commonly known because religious nutjobs like to use them as propaganda.

and I believe a person becomes a person when they gain the ability for cognitive thought.


you're talking about late term abortion again, see above.



But until then, it's ok to inflict as much pain as possible. So retarded people who are 20, 30 years old or older who are not capable of cognitive thought are ok to kill? How dare ANYONE pick and choose who it is ok to kill?
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#25
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Once it fetilises an egg, that process has begun, and can't be stopped, unless you kill the baby.

Yes it can and frequently is as what is created is not always sufficient to become human life.
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But until then, it's ok to inflict as much pain as possible. So retarded people who are 20, 30 years old or older who are not capable of cognitive thought are ok to kill? How dare ANYONE pick and choose who it is ok to kill?


Well, if some retarded kid tried to live inside my stomach, I'd say I had the right to kill the little bugger.
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Yes it can and frequently is as what is created is not always sufficient to become human life.


You're completely missing my point.

And even so, you're saying that it's ok to kill the foetus because it could happen naturally anyway? Would it be ok for me to destroy thousands of people's houses because there's a chance that an earthquake could do the same damage?
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But until then, it's ok to inflict as much pain as possible. So retarded people who are 20, 30 years old or older who are not capable of cognitive thought are ok to kill? How dare ANYONE pick and choose who it is ok to kill?


retarded people are able to have cognitive thought on some level, and without cognition or other impulses pain is irrelevant, since something that can't feel can't experience it. Abortion is usually killing an unthinking, unfeeling mass of cells.
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#29
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Children can be born before the abortion cut-off date and survive. My sister was born very shortly after that point, and she is funny, really clever, popular, everything.

That's why I'd like to see the cut off point pushed back to about 8 weeks.

Have you ever watched a recording of an abortion?

Yep. My religion teacher made us watch it.
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#30
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abortion is not friggin' murder and you do not sink to the same depths as child rapists/murderer/whatever. If your using the "potentionally" a child argument, then every sperm is a potential child, so every time you DON'T impregnate someone (an infinite number of times even if you do), then you're a child killer, it doesn't work out.


Playing the Devil's Advocate here, technically, sperm is only half the chromosomes and can't be considered alive.
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#31
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You're completely missing my point.

And even so, you're saying that it's ok to kill the foetus because it could happen naturally anyway? Would it be ok for me to destroy thousands of people's houses because there's a chance that an earthquake could do the same damage?

I didn't use it as a justification for abortion. I was just correcting you .
Frequently the genetic code of an embryo is severely ****ed up. It's not as simple as "Egg is fertilised, now it's human life with equal value to that of an adult human".
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#32
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Because people are stupid.

Pretty much sums it up.
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Well, if some retarded kid tried to live inside my stomach, I'd say I had the right to kill the little bugger.


A baby is not living in a woman's womb because it chooses to. It is put there by the intentional actions of the mother and a second party. Abortion is just a way of dodging responsibility, which seems to be a popular trend. In the case of rape, however, the woman is not responsible, but the baby is no less a baby.
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#34
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But until then, it's ok to inflict as much pain as possible. So retarded people who are 20, 30 years old or older who are not capable of cognitive thought are ok to kill? How dare ANYONE pick and choose who it is ok to kill?


What if I do think mentally challenged people are ok to kill, how dare you pick and choose who it is ok to kill by telling me that I'm wrong?
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A baby is not living in a woman's womb because it chooses to. It is put there by the intentional actions of the mother and a second party. Abortion is just a way of dodging responsibility, which seems to be a popular trend. In the case of rape, however, the woman is not responsible, but the baby is no less a baby.

It's not called a baby. At least use the correct terminology.
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#36
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Yep. My religion teacher made us watch it.
If I showed you a heart transplant you'd feel equally sickened.


I doubt it, I've watched a heart transplant. It's not a patch on seeing a dish with a hand sticking out of a mess of blood and tissue.
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#37
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I doubt it, I've watched a heart transplant. It's not a patch on seeing a dish with a hand sticking out of a mess of blood and tissue.


yeah see, none of the few abortion videos I've seen have that, since the vast majority of abortions are done before the fetus develops that far, and the ones that are done that late are more often out of medical necessity than anything else. Maybe I should watch some whackjob Christian propaganda videos.
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#38
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It's not called a baby. At least use the correct terminology.


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#39
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OK. A LIVING F*CKING HUMAN BEING!!

Wrong again. I believe the term you are looking for is fetus? Correct me if Im wrong.
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OK. A LIVING F*CKING HUMAN BEING!!


I mean the correct terminology to describe the stage of the life, I'm not saying whether or not it is a human life. Zygote, embryo, foetus.
Otherwise you're just being an idiot and don't appear to know what you're talking about, it also becomes confusing for everyone else.



IS THIS A HUMAN LIFE?
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