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#1
Please - only people who have known me and talked to me about gear respond.

I am (or was) about to buy a Splawn Pro Stock from an established seller on Harmony Central and eBay. It would be my first time buying off of an individual online rather than a vendor/retailer.

Since it was my first time, I asked him questions to make sure that this was a valid sale and that I can trust him to send me the Splawn after I send the money. I assumed that this was something common for a buyer to do.

After about 4/5 messages back and forth, I felt comfortable and was in a position to buy. I told him I'd make my Paypal account and we'll confirm everything before I sent the money.

He then sends this in response:


man,

I apologize if I come off being rude here, but all of these questions about the amp and asking me if Im legit is coming off a tad suspicious on your part to be honest. YOU are the one with no paypal account, a brand new harmony-central acount, and zero feedback on ebay...so, Im questioning this deal my self. Do you have anything that credits your self as being legit???


I reply saying that I have no deals on HCAF or eBay as reference, but can provide any information he needs, and gave him links to posts on here confirming that I have been saving and looking for an amp here for a while.

He appears to be ignoring me now, as if I'm some sort of scam artist.

TL;DR: Read above. I'm asking, to all of the people that I've talked to and dealt with on here, to vouch for me on the fact that I have been sincerely looking for an amp for a while now.

I intended to pay him using a Credit Card through PayPal, directly to his PayPal account. I don't see how I can scam him
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#2
He is the one in the right, reputation gets you a long way in online retail. You seem to be a well educated nice person, If you do it over ebay ( try to do so) check his feedback, its its 98%+ with over 50 transactions you have nothing to worry about

If he does scam you contact a previous ebuyer who has done business with him > Get his address> cut the FUC*ERS head off
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#3
I'm not the one who's worried, he's worried about me.

He thinks I'm going to scam him in some sort of way
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#4
Get some people here that have HC accounts and ask them to vouch for you. If you hammered him about the amp and his reputation, he probably got annoyed and thought you were a newb.
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#5
I dont come on UG forums nearly enough to know who you are, so i cannot vouch but-

how does you asking question make you seem like you're about to scam him...? Wouldn't a scammer who isnt going to pay be a lot more likely to just be like 'yo send me the amp ill wire you the money' rather than asking about it?

and yea, how _can_ you scam him if you're paying him first???
#6
I can see why he would be weary, though if its just responses he wants, so as to put him at ease, i'll happily vouch for you, having seen you on a hunt for an amp for quite some time now.

so...yeah, mike.h is a well known guy around here and legit by all means

EDIT: Just make all the right moves, i.e. go through ebay if possible etc, and as such it would be nigh on impossible for scams to be run anyway surely?

I do have a HC account, but don't ever use it or i'd try and vouch that way too
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Get some people here that have HC accounts and ask them to vouch for you. If you hammered him about the amp and his reputation, he probably got annoyed and thought you were a newb.

Yeah, I was thinking of that. I already know of 1 person on UG I know that has a HC account, don't know anyone else though.

I was talking to a guy about his Nitro on HCAF. I'll ask him to put in a good word for me maybe?
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#8
^Goolz has one, pretty sure Dave has one, Pott has one (not sure if you know of him/he knows of you, but you're both relatively well known round here, s'worth a shot)

There's a few i can think of off the top of my head.
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#9
Contact Dave_mc, very helpful and friendly guy
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#10
his lose, apparently he doesn't want your money ? what a weirdo. i've done my share of deals in gear ads and i could care less how many deals someone has made in the past, if they want my stuff and send me the money for it it's all theirs.
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Yeah, I was thinking of that. I already know of 1 person on UG I know that has a HC account, don't know anyone else though.

I was talking to a guy about his Nitro on HCAF. I'll ask him to put in a good word for me maybe?


I think alot of people here have HC accounts, give it some time for the regulars to show up. You might have to chalk this up as a learning experience but i'd try to salvage it if it's a good deal.
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#12
he's been clogging up the who to listen too for weeks moaning about not having a slawn

i'd sell him an amp =]
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#13
When I sell things, I could honestly care less if the person has references or not, as long as I get the money (via PayPal), I don't see how you could be scamming him unless you told him to send it before he got the money.

Buying on the other hand is a different story, I would not buy anything from someone without references because I'm sending them money, hoping that they'll send me something in return.

From the seller's point of view, there's really not any way you can scam him, especially if you're paying via PayPal and he gets the money instantly
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When I sell things, I could honestly care less if the person has references or not, as long as I get the money (via PayPal), I don't see how you could be scamming him unless you told him to send it before he got the money.

Buying on the other hand is a different story, I would not buy anything from someone without references because I'm sending them money, hoping that they'll send me something in return.

From the seller's point of view, there's really not any way you can scam him, especially if you're paying via PayPal and he gets the money instantly


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When I sell things, I could honestly care less if the person has references or not, as long as I get the money (via PayPal), I don't see how you could be scamming him unless you told him to send it before he got the money.

Buying on the other hand is a different story, I would not buy anything from someone without references because I'm sending them money, hoping that they'll send me something in return.

From the seller's point of view, there's really not any way you can scam him, especially if you're paying via PayPal and he gets the money instantly

Matrix,

I know you have an account on HCAF. If I send you a PM (on HCAF) with his Username, can you vouch for me, and basically tell him what you just said above?

I would greatly appreciate it.
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Matrix,

I know you have an account on HCAF. If I send you a PM (on HCAF) with his Username, can you vouch for me, and basically tell him what you just said above?

I would greatly appreciate it.

For sure man, that's no problem.
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#18
PM'd you on HCAF Matrix
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I'll send you a PM on HCAF TheEsupremacy
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I post on HC a lot. What's the guys user name? Maybe I can help you.

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I have an account over on HC too, if that's any help.

Sure, what's your username?
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#23
What you need to do is just send him the money. Since you're already comfortable with this guy being real, it shouldn't be a problem. That way, since he already has the money, you're clearly not trying to scam him.

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#24
Well I can't send him money without knowing that he's on board with the deal..

Matrix and TheEsupremacy, did you guys get my PM on HCAF?
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i've got an HC account, but i'm not exactly a regular.

only other thing i'd say is that, with your current new amp fund, you aren't a million miles away from just buying a new one (assuming you already have a cab).
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i've got an HC account, but i'm not exactly a regular.

only other thing i'd say is that, with your current new amp fund, you aren't a million miles away from just buying a new one (assuming you already have a cab).

This is as much money as I can possibly use. This is all of my savings + all of the gear I've sold. Can't go 1 penny above this.

I dont have a cab either.
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Matrix and TheEsupremacy, did you guys get my PM on HCAF?

Yeah, I PM'd him. Accidentally deleted your PM and forgot to PM you back

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i've got an HC account, but i'm not exactly a regular.

only other thing i'd say is that, with your current new amp fund, you aren't a million miles away from just buying a new one (assuming you already have a cab).

He doesn't have a cab, plus he'd be waiting a month and a half or so for it to be made if he bought new.
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#28
ok.

i dunno what to tell you. if the dude doesn't want to sell to you there isn't much we can do.
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#29
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Well I can't send him money without knowing that he's on board with the deal..

Matrix and TheEsupremacy, did you guys get my PM on HCAF?


PM him and say,

"I'm sorry if I've come across at suspicious. This is my first time buying a used amp, and the first time I've ever purchased something this signifigant online. If you are still willing to sell the amp, I can send you the money right away BEFORE you send me the amp. Sorry for any inconvenience, looking forward to your reply"

Or something along those lines.

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PM him and say,

"I'm sorry if I've come across at suspicious. This is my first time buying a used amp, and the first time I've ever purchased something this signifigant online. If you are still willing to sell the amp, I can send you the money right away BEFORE you send me the amp. Sorry for any inconvenience, looking forward to your reply"

Or something along those lines.

I already sent him something like that. Pretty sure he's ignoring me now.
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#31
Ahhh damn. I didn't read the entire thread, sorry if you already stated that.

You're best bet is to do what you're doing then - get a few people to back you up.

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#32
Yeah.

Hopefully he see's that I'm genuinely interested and that I wont scam him

Still don't understand how I cant be trusted, sending money from a Credit Card through PayPal.

Thanks for PM'ing him Matrix, I really appreciate it. What did you say?
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Thanks for PM'ing him Matrix, I really appreciate it. What did you say?

Basically the same thing I said in my first post and that if you're sending him money via PayPal and he gets it, good deal, if not, it's not like he's losing anything. Really nothing to lose for him
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#34
Sounds good

Thanks man.
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#35
Yeah, I don't understand how he could be suspicious if he receives money before he sends the amp, and I'll gladly vouch for you if it helps, but if the guy is acting like that, then it may just be best to move on and wait for another amp. For all you know, you could find a deal in a week that makes you happy you didn't take this one.
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#37
Well it looks like he's logged into HCAF, we'll see what happens :/
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#38
Heh,

I think he's still ignoring me even with Matrix vouching for me.

Honestly, what the hell. It's not like when you buy something from a retailer online they ask you for your info and past purchases. You send them the money, they send you the item. That's it.

I really don't know what this guy is thinking.
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Heh,

I think he's still ignoring me even with Matrix vouching for me.

Honestly, what the hell. It's not like when you buy something from a retailer online they ask you for your info and past purchases. You send them the money, they send you the item. That's it.

I really don't know what this guy is thinking.

He PM'd me back and said thanks for vouching for you and he's going to sell it to you.
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#40
Really?

SWEET. He hasn't sent me a message though.

Man, can't thank you enough Matrix. THANK YOU!
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