#1
In my band, we record Vox/Bass/Guitars at my house, on GarageBand with an SM57 mic/Samson CO3 condensor.
Drums are recorded at my friends house, he has an electric Roland V-Drum kit, and a Pearl Acoustic kit. Due to no soundproofing, he has to use the electric kit (which also has a better sound) to record. So he plugs the line out from the V-Drum Console into the line in on his mac, into garage band, but all the drums now appear in one track. Each Drum has a seperate (i think XLR) cable that goes into the console.
Is there a way to be able to record the drums with more than 1 track, or will we have to purchase drum mics and record the Pearl kit?
We can't run the Drum XLR cables directly into a mixer, because it has to run through the console first.
Thanks for help,
Thrash
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#2
The best way to record electric drums is to use MIDI. This will allow you to record the "data" to a track and you can then trigger software such as Session Drummer or EZDrummer to convert to audio which will route up to 16 different audio tracks.

I used to record the main outs of my Roland TD6V but got tired of the sound quality and moved to triggering Session Drummer in Sonar Producer. The sound improved for my module but the 6V doesn't like MIDI much so I loose a few fun features such as variable hat and chokes on the cymbals....I still stick wtih it though due to the sound improvement.

To start using MIDI you will want an audio interface and a MIDI interface. I use an EMU 1x1 USB cable for some of my MIDI gear and its great. For an audio interface, look into the EMU 0404 USB (audio and MIDI in one box), or the PreSonus Inspire.
#3
Well, what do you have for recording now (for guitars and voice)? Triggering drum samples, as Moody suggested, will produce the best sounds (and be the most versatile) given a limited budget, and give you that multi-track versatility (and the ability to edit if he misses a beat).
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#4
ok, im gonna mic the pearl kit >.<
Cos i love the sounds the V kit triggers, but im yet to find a MIDI set that sounds real.
What RELATIVELY cheap mic kit should i get?
Im thinking 2 condesers overhead (Do they have to be the same one? I already have one) and a micing kit over the rest of the toms.
What type of mixer will i need? itll be around 8 mics total.

EDIT: Fast_Fingers, we're using an SM57 to mic our cabs and a CO3 Samson Condenser for Vox and Bass.
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#5
I would go with the midi kit personally. its going to sound better with a limited budget and its soo soooo sooooooo easy to edit. Going in and changing sounds, edit sounds, placement, blah blah blah. Deff the best choice especially on a limited budget.

With the mics you have you could just record the audio of the vkit and it would still sound better than recording a live kit. Just mic the amp you play out of with it.

-Ryan
#6
no dude your not using midi sounds. your only using midi messages to trigger other real samples. this is the best way to go. with this method you can trigger the most coolest sounding drumz ever.
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no dude your not using midi sounds. your only using midi messages to trigger other real samples. this is the best way to go. with this method you can trigger the most coolest sounding drumz ever.


oh ok, i get it :P
3 things:
A) Can i use the samples that come with the Roland kit,
and
B)Whilst playing the Kit, its as close to realism as possible, like the force behind the stick, and the position on the skin all make a difference to the output sound, will this be the same once recorded?
anddd
C)Do i just need to do what moody said? Can anyone elaborate on that?
cheers
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#8
Quote by hoondog
no dude your not using midi sounds. your only using midi messages to trigger other real samples. this is the best way to go. with this method you can trigger the most coolest sounding drumz ever.


That's exactly right. Have a listen to audio demos on these sites if you're unconvinced:

http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=1
http://www.xlnaudio.com/?page=products&p_page=audio
http://www.toontrack.com/ezdrummer.asp
http://www.bluenoise.no/mydrumset.html (FREEWARE)

The reason the V-drum modules might sound better to you is because they're 'pre-mixed' to some extent, they've already got effects/ambience on them. For serious multitrack recording you're better off starting with the raw drum sounds/room mics.

Enjoy!

EDIT: And yes, all of the above programs come with multiple hit samples for each drum, so you can use varying dynamics and techniques.
Last edited by kyle62 at Dec 28, 2008,
#9
Quote by kyle62
That's exactly right. Have a listen to audio demos on these sites if you're unconvinced:

http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=1
http://www.xlnaudio.com/?page=products&p_page=audio
http://www.toontrack.com/ezdrummer.asp
http://www.bluenoise.no/mydrumset.html (FREEWARE)

The reason the V-drum modules might sound better to you is because they're 'pre-mixed' to some extent, they've already got effects/ambience on them. For serious multitrack recording you're better off starting with the raw drum sounds/room mics.

Enjoy!

EDIT: And yes, all of the above programs come with multiple hit samples for each drum, so you can use varying dynamics and techniques.


nice, but can any of these work on macs? :P

Im afraid im gonna have to mic the kit, and i dont want to do that D:
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#10
if you have the cash, you could look into programs like acoustica beatcraft (fairly cheap) or BFD.

You should be able to find some free drum programs for mac however. Take a look at the sticky at the top of this forum.

-Ryan