#1
To me, there's no reason as to why a 30watt or 40watt tube amp should be anywhere near $699 like some complanies, but that's just me. Amps are overpriced worse than guitars are, but why?
#2
Because they know most people will pay for it. Some companies don't do much of that like Fender and Blackheart, then there's companies like Marshall that charge through the roof for a tube combo.

It's well worth it though. Tube > SS in near every regard.
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#3
You have to look at the quality that goes into the manufacturing,especially with tube amps.High end tube amps are usually hand built to exacting specs and cater to a specific crowd of musicians.Also,saying 30 or 40 watts tube like it's nothing is a big mistake.I've played 40 watt tube amps that are ridiculously loud.One more thing,700 dollars for a 40 watt, all tube amp is a pretty damn good deal considering that at that price range you're still dealing with a lot of iffy SS amps being marketed to people.

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#4
Wow where I live amps don't even cost near as that. 30 watt maybe around(after conversion to USD) USD375.
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Wow where I live amps don't even cost near as that. 30 watt maybe around(after conversion to USD) USD375.

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#6
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Wow where I live amps don't even cost near as that. 30 watt maybe around(after conversion to USD) USD375.



A good 30 watt tube amp for $375?

You have my attention good Sir,tell me more.

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#7
I think he's talking about SS amps.
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#8
In my opinion, amps are less overpriced than guitars. I take it that you've never bought a speaker seperately or handwired an amp before, have you?
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#9
Hmm actually I'm not sure whether my vox vt30 is a tube amp. It says so on the vox website and I bought it for(after conversion to USD) around USD160.
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Quote by alex0203
To me, there's no reason as to why a 30watt or 40watt tube amp should be anywhere near $699 like some complanies, but that's just me. Amps are overpriced worse than guitars are, but why?



I love it when people who have no idea what they are talking about tries to make a stupid claim like this.

So tell me why is there no reason that a 30 watt tube amp should cost anywhere near $700? Because YOU think it should be cheaper? Do you honestly know anything about tube electronics at all? If not, try to refrain from making stupid claims like this.

How about this, you go and source all the parts to build a high quality 30 or 40 watt tube amp, a chassis, power transformer, output transformer, switches, jacks, tube sockets, wire, potentiometers, caps, resistors, tubes, tell me how much all that adds up to? Oh, and then add a speaker to it, and a cabinet. If you can do this with high quality parts, for under $699, then you can come and say that "there is no reason a tube amp should be anywhere near $700 like some companies charge."

Are there some overpriced tube amps? Of course. But there are plenty of $2000 or so tube amps, that are 30 to 40 watts that are made by small builders that use parts that add up to $1300 by themselves, and then throw in the time and care it takes to wire an amp, as well as the profit made to keep these guys in business. Now try to tell me, that there should be no reason an amp should cost even $700?
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#11
Quote by alex0203
To me, there's no reason as to why a 30watt or 40watt tube amp should be anywhere near $699 like some complanies, but that's just me. Amps are overpriced worse than guitars are, but why?

And that's why you're not in business.

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And that's why you're not in business.

There's no reason for a pair of designer jeans to cost £200 but they do.


Oh but see Mr. Seagull, in this case, there actually IS reason for an amp to cost $700. Which makes his claim all the dumber and uninformed. I cannot wait to hear why this kid thinks no tube amp should cost anywhere near $700. I've spent well over that budget for tube amp parts, hours upon hours of my own time and effort laying everything out by hand, soldering every connection by hand, looking at schematics, troubleshooting, and I'd love to hear about magical mojoland where this kid lives where time and labor is free, the costs of running a business don't exist and you pay for parts in bananas and pancakes, not money.
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Quote by al112987


I love it when people who have no idea what they are talking about tries to make a stupid claim like this.

So tell me why is there no reason that a 30 watt tube amp should cost anywhere near $700? Because YOU think it should be cheaper? Do you honestly know anything about tube electronics at all? If not, try to refrain from making stupid claims like this.

How about this, you go and source all the parts to build a high quality 30 or 40 watt tube amp, a chassis, power transformer, output transformer, switches, jacks, tube sockets, wire, potentiometers, caps, resistors, tubes, tell me how much all that adds up to? Oh, and then add a speaker to it, and a cabinet. If you can do this with high quality parts, for under $699, then you can come and say that "there is no reason a tube amp should be anywhere near $700 like some companies charge."

Are there some overpriced tube amps? Of course. But there are plenty of $2000 or so tube amps, that are 30 to 40 watts that are made by small builders that use parts that add up to $1300 by themselves, and then throw in the time and care it takes to wire an amp, as well as the profit made to keep these guys in business. Now try to tell me, that there should be no reason an amp should cost even $700?

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#15
the fact is that guitar amps are not a mass market unlike say televisons, computers, dvd's etc etc. therefore the manufacturers have to cover development costs on a relatively small volume of sales. also the opportunities for cost savings due to mass production are low.

that's my take on it anyhow.


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#18
They aren't. At least not in the real world, except maybe Dumble.
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#20
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My 20 Watt amp head was 3000.00. Get what you pay for.

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#22
Quote by nottinoob
Hmm actually I'm not sure whether my vox vt30 is a tube amp. It says so on the vox website and I bought it for(after conversion to USD) around USD160.


VT30s are Valvetronix. They are hybrid ss/tube. The amps use Valve Reactor technology, and feature a power amp circuit containing a 12AX7 that would normally be used in a preamp. This allows the amp to produce the sound and feel of an all tube amp*. The modelling section of the amp is solid state and digital.


*And they do a pretty good job of it!
#23
Quote by al112987


I love it when people who have no idea what they are talking about tries to make a stupid claim like this.

So tell me why is there no reason that a 30 watt tube amp should cost anywhere near $700? Because YOU think it should be cheaper? Do you honestly know anything about tube electronics at all? If not, try to refrain from making stupid claims like this.

How about this, you go and source all the parts to build a high quality 30 or 40 watt tube amp, a chassis, power transformer, output transformer, switches, jacks, tube sockets, wire, potentiometers, caps, resistors, tubes, tell me how much all that adds up to? Oh, and then add a speaker to it, and a cabinet. If you can do this with high quality parts, for under $699, then you can come and say that "there is no reason a tube amp should be anywhere near $700 like some companies charge."

Are there some overpriced tube amps? Of course. But there are plenty of $2000 or so tube amps, that are 30 to 40 watts that are made by small builders that use parts that add up to $1300 by themselves, and then throw in the time and care it takes to wire an amp, as well as the profit made to keep these guys in business. Now try to tell me, that there should be no reason an amp should cost even $700?


pretty much the end of the thread right there
#24
Quote by al112987


I love it when people who have no idea what they are talking about tries to make a stupid claim like this.

So tell me why is there no reason that a 30 watt tube amp should cost anywhere near $700? Because YOU think it should be cheaper? Do you honestly know anything about tube electronics at all? If not, try to refrain from making stupid claims like this.

How about this, you go and source all the parts to build a high quality 30 or 40 watt tube amp, a chassis, power transformer, output transformer, switches, jacks, tube sockets, wire, potentiometers, caps, resistors, tubes, tell me how much all that adds up to? Oh, and then add a speaker to it, and a cabinet. If you can do this with high quality parts, for under $699, then you can come and say that "there is no reason a tube amp should be anywhere near $700 like some companies charge."

Are there some overpriced tube amps? Of course. But there are plenty of $2000 or so tube amps, that are 30 to 40 watts that are made by small builders that use parts that add up to $1300 by themselves, and then throw in the time and care it takes to wire an amp, as well as the profit made to keep these guys in business. Now try to tell me, that there should be no reason an amp should cost even $700?

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#25
Go check the price of a single tube versus an IC used in SS stuff. An IC is 40cents to a dollar our cost and a tube is gonna be 8 bucks or more. SS stuff can get away with lots of low voltage parts 1/4 watt resisters, 15v electrocaps etc. A tube amp the filter caps can be 10 bucks a piece because of the voltages, 300v plus, and 2 watt resisters are alot more than 1/4 watt. And of course the OT used is a huge cost. A basic one for a 5 watt tube amp is gonna be 50 bucks. SS stuff is much much cheaper to build but its also really hard to fix and is generally disposable. Whereas there are many vintage tube amps people have been using for 30 or 40 years. You dont see much SS stuff that ever lasts that long. So asking why tube amps are more expensive is like asking why ferraris cost more than a ford escort.