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#1
Hi guys

I'm wondering which of the two amps mentioned would fit my style best/would be the best bang for the buck?

Right now I'm using a Marshall TSL 100 + 1960a cab. It's a good amp, but it's just too big and too loud for me.
Now I'm about to sell the half stack and buy something smaller. I'm going to use it mostly in my bedroom and maybe for some (small) gigs in de future.

I'm playing vintage rock mostly (AC/DC, ZZ Top, Ted Nugent), as well as some blues & bluesrock.

A friend of mine uses a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with a Boss OS2 pedal because the Hot Rod's gain is a bit disappointing. With the Boss pedal the amp sounds kinda good overall, but personally I'm more leaning towards the Rocker 30 head with the Orange open backed cab with V30's.

This amp however doesn't have a clean eq, reverb or fx loop. Reverb is essential to me, and I could imagine that a clean eq would be indispensable too.

I already have a Digitech Bad Monkey which I also tested on the Hot Rod, and it sounded nice as well, but still I like the gain of the Rocker better.

OD is slightly more important than clean to me.

So what do you guys think?
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with my Digitech Bad Monkey, or Orange Rocker 30 head + cab with some EQ-pedal and reverb-pedal? (For this last thing I guess I could use my Ibanez DE7 or Zoom multi-effects too.) The Fender combo would be 2/3 the price of the Orange Rocker head + cab.

Thanks in advance.
#2
what's your budget?
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#4
I'd pick the Rocker 30, but why sell your old cab and buy a new one?
For reverb you could buy a pedal ofcourse, but that's extra money plus the extra money the orange costs.

If you know what I mean.

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#5
for those tones the fender hot rod deluxe is the last thing i would recommend
for blues its great but for anything more the drive is completely lacking even with an od (with 2 i get a sorta passable tone)

id love a rocker 30 combo

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Yeh the SICK! bit sounds a bit stupid.

#6
Quote by Dave_Mc
what's your budget?


I will be selling my Marshall for 900 euros (1250 dollars).

With the Pound being low however I can just afford a new Rocker 30 head + cab shipped from the UK. (I live in Belgium)

With the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe I would be saving 375 euro's.

And I was thinking exactly the same thing about the Hot Rod Deluxe.

I'm gonna sell my cab because it doesn't have V30 speakers, unlike the Orange PPC212 open backed. (And that one is a 2x12 instead of my 4x12 1960a cab, so smaller.)
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#8
oh also, as i have owned both amps, i can tell you this;

The orange is of much higher build quality

The hotrods i have had (3) have all had design and construction flaws that seriously impacted on playing. ( rattles, farting out, buzzing, the lot.)

The gain on the orange is much nicer, but it's really a low/mid gain beast. For high gain, look elsewhere.

The cleans on the orange are nice, but an acquired taste. Best (for me) when just on the edge of breakup on the DIRTY channel, where you can eq them. The natural channel is really fat and more suitable for cleanish leads than rhythm. For any funk stuff, or anything that needs to be clean but defined, i use the DIRTY channel on low gain, so I can eq it.

I'm much happier with the orange, but sometimes the lack of reverb is a small annoyance.
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Quote by RipItUp
I will be selling my Marshall for 900 euros (1250 dollars).

With the Pound being low however I can just afford a new Rocker 30 head + cab shipped from the UK. (I live in Belgium)

With the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe I would be saving 375 euro's.

And I was thinking exactly the same thing about the Hot Rod Deluxe.

I'm gonna sell my cab because it doesn't have V30 speakers, unlike the Orange PPC212 open backed. (And that one is a 2x12 instead of my 4x12 1960a cab, so smaller.)


i don't think you want vintage 30s for the music you're playing, they're a bit too modern-sounding. some of the orange cabs have g12h30s, i think, that'd be a better idea if you ask me.

900 euros is almost £900, isn't it? i've been hearing really good things about martamp amps, the guys on the bareknuckle pickup forum who've tried them say they're great, i haven't tried them yet, though. would be worth considering, i'm sure he could make you what you want for £900, they're custom-built (he could build you a cab too) etc. and he can more or less make you what you want. only problem is shipping, and the fact that since they're custom-built, there might be a wait, which might give the euro:pound exchange rate a chance to fluctuate.

Bear in mind, this isn't a recommendation, but they're bound to be worth a look:

www.martamp.co.uk
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#10
aw what a waste of a tsl.
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#11
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aw what a waste of a tsl.


Why is that?

And thanks for the help everyone.
#13
Yeah but the AD30 is a completely different amp, so I guess I'll be going for the Rocker because this amp seems to suit most of my styles best.

Guess I'll add some reverb pedal afterwards then.
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Quote by RipItUp
I will be selling my Marshall for 900 euros (1250 dollars).

With the Pound being low however I can just afford a new Rocker 30 head + cab shipped from the UK. (I live in Belgium)

With the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe I would be saving 375 euro's.

And I was thinking exactly the same thing about the Hot Rod Deluxe.

I'm gonna sell my cab because it doesn't have V30 speakers, unlike the Orange PPC212 open backed. (And that one is a 2x12 instead of my 4x12 1960a cab, so smaller.)

Are you ordering it from a website? Please post the link, I'm also thinking of buying an Orange
#16
Well okay. The Marshall is sold, the money is in the pocket, so I'm about to order the Orange Rocker 30 with PPC212 open backed cab.

I'm not quite sure yet though.

I never used an fx-loop (the one on my TSL sounded crappy and I never really needed it for my delay pedal, Zoom multi-fx and Bad Monkey) but would it be possible to, for example, add an EQ-pedal (to have the possibility of EQ-ing the clean channel), a reverb pedal (maybe the Boss RV5), a volume pedal, my Ibanez DE7 delay pedal and my Bad Monkey, all straight into the input?

I actually never really understood why anyone would use an fx-loop...

If I could solve the lack of reverb and clean eq this way, I guess this would be the perfect amp for me, making it a bit more versatile.

I don't have the budget for a Rockerverb, and to my ears this amp sounds just a bit too compressed. I like the vintage muddy overdriven sound of the Rocker way more...
#17
it's possible to do it, whether or not it sounds any good is a different matter... i have no idea, you'd need to try it.

an fx loop fits in after the preamp, so that the fx are placed after the preamp distortion. it's used because most people prefer to reverberate/delay their distortion, rather than distortion their reverb/delay...

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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#18
Thanks for the info

BTW, a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe is incredibly loud with its 40 watts.
Will the Orange Rocker be a lot quieter or can I expect about the same amount of volume?

I know that watts don't have to do that much with volume (i.e. a 50 watter is only 3 db quieter than a 100 watts amp), but is the Hot Rod Deluxe an exception or are all amps around that wattage as loud as the HRD?

I never heard a <50 watt amp before, and I got really surprised by the clean headroom of the Hot Rod Deluxe.
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Quote by RipItUp
Thanks for the info

BTW, a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe is incredibly loud with its 40 watts.
Will the Orange Rocker be a lot quieter or can I expect about the same amount of volume?

I know that watts don't have to do that much with volume (i.e. a 50 watter is only 3 db quieter than a 100 watts amp), but is the Hot Rod Deluxe an exception or are all amps around that wattage as loud as the HRD?

I never heard a <50 watt amp before, and I got really surprised by the clean headroom of the Hot Rod Deluxe.


um it really depends on the amp.
i have a 40w amp as well, and its gets insanely loud at 2.
i dont no how loud the orange will be as i have never even seen an orange in person in my life.
I'm not too much of a help cuz i am not familiar with these high end boutique amps, but i dont think you should sell your marshall, i think yous hould just get a power attuenator.
unless you really want to sell that beautiful thing just because its too big
#20
Well I already sold it and I don't think I'll regret it.

The TSL was a versatile amp, but I think that was just the problem. It did all kinds of sounds, but just not good enough. (And the clean channel was actually kinda horrible.)
JCM 2000 series really aren't that good, I noticed.
Also, I got tired of Marshall amps. I played them for about 6-7 years and I have a feeling they don't have to offer me much anymore at this time.

Thanks for the comment though.
#21
the Rocker 30 has loads better OD, and can clean up really well with your volume knob if you find the clean channel breaks up too soon being 30 watts. I'd got that route if you don't mind spending the extra money.
#22
I still think one should look at the JTM45/Bluesbreaker. Especially if AC/DC, ZZ Top, or other blues rock are your thing. For those styles, there is no better amp.
#23
if your worried about volume i think both will be fine at bedroom levels. i use my Fender Hot Rod in a dorm room at what i consider good volumes and i've never had a complaint.

you dont need to crank an amp for it to sound good
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#24
Quote by al112987
I still think one should look at the JTM45/Bluesbreaker. Especially if AC/DC, ZZ Top, or other blues rock are your thing. For those styles, there is no better amp.


yeah, and i imagine that martamp could build a clone or similar under budget...

i just wasn't all that fussed on the orange rocker i tried, to be honest. i thought the rockerverb was a lot nicer, it's twice the price though.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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I still think one should look at the JTM45/Bluesbreaker. Especially if AC/DC, ZZ Top, or other blues rock are your thing. For those styles, there is no better amp.


I don't doubt those are sweet amps, but I play various styles. Going from classic rock to some modern rock, a bit blues(rock) and some other styles that require some good cleans.

My experiences with the Marshall-cleans have never been good to be honest. There wasn't one Marshall-amp that had nice cleans IMHO.

Quote by bored_maniac33
if your worried about volume i think both will be fine at bedroom levels. i use my Fender Hot Rod in a dorm room at what i consider good volumes and i've never had a complaint.

you dont need to crank an amp for it to sound good


Yes I know, though that was the thing with my TSL. It was way too loud.
A) For bedroom practices
B) Even for the rather small gigs I did

I was actually more wondering if a Hot Rod Deluxe would crush the Rocker when it comes to volume at gigging volumes.

Quote by Dave_Mc
yeah, and i imagine that martamp could build a clone or similar under budget...

i just wasn't all that fussed on the orange rocker i tried, to be honest. i thought the rockerverb was a lot nicer, it's twice the price though.


Yes I was looking into those amps too, thanks, but I read so many good things about Orange amps and I've been fascinated by them for a long time that I think now is the time to get me one. They have that Marshally crunch I like, but then with more balls to it.

And the Rockerverb is indeed twice the price, and to be honest I feel it sounds a bit too compressed/bassy to me. I'm sure though I would get various sounds that I like out of it, but at the moment the RV is way out of my price range and not having a band atm would make it a bit a waste of the extra money. But that's only how I see it of course.

EDIT (and P.S. actually): I think I'm making a good deal when I go for the Rocker with the 2x12 cab when shipped from the UK. It would cost me as "little" as the price of second handed ones over here in Belgium.

I also saw the prices of some Matamps and the ones with about the same features cost as much as the Rocker head...
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what do you mean by "nice cleans"? if you mean, "fendery/sparkly", then the orange isn't really going to give you that.



EDIT: it sounds like i'm trying to talk you out of the orange- i'm not, i just don't want you to get something which might not do what you want...
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#27
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what do you mean by "nice cleans"? if you mean, "fendery/sparkly", then the orange isn't really going to give you that.


I'm sorry, I guess I'm not that good at describing tones.

It aren't necessarily the Fenderish cleans that I'm after, but something more chimey than the usual Marshall cleans (I'm talking mainly about the cleans on the JCM series here, they are not at all the cleans I'm after). They sound useless to me.

Hmm, it's kinda hard to say. I like various tones, but this sort of clean (AND OD!) is something I couldn't get out of my Marshall:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwFIUbJkOo

(I read the forum rules and didn't find anything about YouTube videos, so I hope they're allowed.)

I know that this musician didn't use the natural clean channel over here, but rolled back the gain on the dirty channel so he could use the EQ there, but still it's a sound I like very much.
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#28
oh, ok, if you like that warmish clean/semi-driven sound you'll probably be ok.
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#29
Haha yeah, I know I'm a difficult person, but the truth is that I like so many styles that I think it is better to buy an amp that suits my most favorite style perfect than to buy a versatile amp, because in my experience the perfect "versatile" amp doesn't exist.

In the past I've also been playing some postrock/sludge, but I guess that if that microbe starts to itch again I'd be better off buying another amp that would be good for that style instead of buying a "versatile amp" right now that doesn't do certain styles as good as an amp that's specialised in one specific style.

On the other hand, when I started playing the guitar I played a lot of punkrock/poppunk which later on evolved to rock 'n' roll and some blues(rock), which today still is the style I play the most.

That's why I think the Rocker would be the best choice at this moment.

(Sorry that my posts are always so long, but you've all been helping me very well and I hope I'll buy my personal best amp, which now seems that wasn't 100% the case with my Marshalls.)
#30
Quote by RipItUp
I don't doubt those are sweet amps, but I play various styles. Going from classic rock to some modern rock, a bit blues(rock) and some other styles that require some good cleans.

My experiences with the Marshall-cleans have never been good to be honest. There wasn't one Marshall-amp that had nice cleans IMHO.


Don't generalize with an amp like this. Really, go take a look, it's nothing like a JCM, it's more like a '59 Bassman with an English accent and bad temper. Most of the guys around here are into modern rock and heavy metal, but go somewhere like the vintage amp forums (plexi palace) or les paul forums where people play a lot of blues rock and classic and are into things like old Marshalls. And every single one of them can attest of the 1) the cleans of the JTM45 and 2) the versatility of the JTM45. The cleans on this thing are absolutely amazing. The JTM45 is really considered the "ideal" tweed Fender Bassman. The cleans sound more like a tweed bassman with a more bell like top end, and turning the volume up it roars like nothing the tweed bassman is capable of. I have a video clip of my JTM45 in my profile (it's the halfstack video). Take a listen as I go through some clean and overdriven tones, however, mine is using el34s to give it a bit more of a traditional Marshall twist as opposed to the kt66s which give it the sweet clean chime that a stock JTM45 has.

Or listen to the clips on Greg Germino's page.

http://www.germinoamps.com/classic45.htm
^^^I love my Metroamp, but that Classic45 is a fine sounding amp right there...
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#31
^^ yeah, i know what you mean, that's a sensible enough philosophy. EDIT: also listen to andrew/al, he knows his stuff. i'm not too well up on vintage marshalls, so i'm staying out of that debate.
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#32
I certainly will, but thanks for all the help and the usefull comments!

Al, thanks to you as well. I will look into your videos tomorrow and let you know what I think. Chances are I've already seen a few, but now I'm gonna go to bed because I have to get up early tomorrow.
#33
Those Germino amps sound really nice. I recognize the Angus Young sound immediatelly. I'm a bit affraid that it won't do as much sounds as the Rocker can though...
#34
I would go with the Orange. If I went with the Fender the first thing I would do is: get rid of the stock speaker and tubes. Get a Weber speaker and some JJ tubes and ya have a completely different amp, it wont make it a hi gain amp , but it will have nice crunch and still maintain that wonderful Fender clean. You can always get a pedal for crunch, but you cant buy a pedal for fender clean tones and they are hard to beat
#35
The Orange Rocker 30 doesn't really impress me much to be honest, cleans are little lifeless sounding to me and the overdrive has this fuzzy kind of feel that I just can't get used to, it just sounds a little bit too tame to me, but I'm really picky and can find something wrong with just about any amp...
#36
Yeah I've got about the same thing with the JTM. Some tones I like a lot, both its distortion is a bit of the kind that sounds terrific but gives me the shivers on my back at the same time.

I wish there was an amp that would do just about EVERY style of music and that did every tone for 100% perfect.
#37
haha, all of us do.
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#38
Little update:

I ordered the Orange Rocker 30 with PPC212OB cab about two weeks ago. They tried to deliver it yesterday, but I wasn't at home. Called them to let them know they could bring it on wednesday, but they came back today => again, nobody here.

So the driver called me because their procedure is to keep it for 5 days in their depot when they tried to deliver 2 times. After that, they send the amp back at own costs.

Of course I was angry and sad as hell, but they will deliver it tomorrow when my mother's at home.
I hope that it will go as planned this time and that I won't bump against some broken valves or something...
#39
Hey i was wondering if the orange rocker 30w combo is a good amp for playing at home and small to medium size gigs?
I'm into most rock, from Muse to Jimi Hendrix and i'm not that interested in effects so this amp seems like a great choice.
It's in my price range and so would you recommend it? Or are there any other good amplifiers out there that are similarly priced or lower?
Please reply with your opinions
#40
^ what country are you in? that's going to affect the price of the rocker a lot, and also the prices of its rivals...
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