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#1
Why are standard les pauls so expensive? I want a gibson standard because they are beautiful and sound beautiful, but i won't be in a position to afford one for like another 4 or 5 years!

gr.

oh well, worth it in the end i suppose.

there's my short and meaningless rant.

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#2
Thats a fair rant. I feel the same way. I played one the other day at GC and had forgotten had beautiful they sounded. Maybe if I save up for a few years...
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1) The failing global economy
2) Gibson hiking prices?

I understand what you mean, but there is always the alternative (Edwards, Agile, Tokai, custom?) if you don't NEED the Gibson name.


yea, but are they as high quality? there is just something beautiful about a true les paul
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#7
haha, the $1000 epi's WERE better, so gibson, in all their douchehood, discontinued em.


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#8
Higher end Epiphones are good.

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Epiphone needs to make a high end SG, then I will be completely satisfied.
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#9
Gibsons are ridiculously overpriced and definitely are not worth the money - there are much better guitars out their for the the same amount of money or less!
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yea, but are they as high quality? there is just something beautiful about a true les paul


It's different brand to brand, but Edwards and Tokai come highly recommended as substitutes for Gibsons, if you don't feel like dishing out more than $2000 for the same tone.

Completely understandable about what you meant by 'true les paul'.
#11
gibson has always made overpriced guitars. thats why i go with fender
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of course...you can get a carvin les paul thing custom to your liking for about 1.8k
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Thing is you can say all you want about Gibsons not being as high quality as other guitars in the same price range but why is it that such players as Jimmy Page, Gary Moore and Zakk Wylde continue to use them when in reality they could buy any guitar they wanted to or get an endorsement deal from almost any company. Plus there isn't that feel on non Gibson Les Pauls, I have never played any Epis that felt or sounded better than my Les Paul, it only seems that people who don't own Gibsons slag off their quality or call them overpriced. Just like it ain't really a Strat unless it has a Fender badge on the headstock.
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#14
Id pay double what i payed for my SG. Nothing else feels like it in my hands. I literally cant play at the same skill level with a different guitar.
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Thing is you can say all you want about Gibsons not being as high quality as other guitars in the same price range but why is it that such players as Jimmy Page, Gary Moore and Zakk Wylde continue to use them when in reality they could buy any guitar they wanted to or get an endorsement deal from almost any company. Plus there isn't that feel on non Gibson Les Pauls, I have never played any Epis that felt or sounded better than my Les Paul, it only seems that people who don't own Gibsons slag off their quality or call them overpriced. Just like it ain't really a Strat unless it has a Fender badge on the headstock.



and thats why i want a gibson...but sadly, their price tags keep me away
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Thing is you can say all you want about Gibsons not being as high quality as other guitars in the same price range but why is it that such players as Jimmy Page, Gary Moore and Zakk Wylde continue to use them when in reality they could buy any guitar they wanted to or get an endorsement deal from almost any company. Plus there isn't that feel on non Gibson Les Pauls, I have never played any Epis that felt or sounded better than my Les Paul, it only seems that people who don't own Gibsons slag off their quality or call them overpriced. Just like it ain't really a Strat unless it has a Fender badge on the headstock.


Because the reason they have most of that money is because Gibson pays them to keep using Gibson guitars so that you could think that exact thought and want to buy one. GLP's are still FANTASTIC guitars, if I could have one, I would.

Oh, and as a Strat player, you mean't to say "Just like it ain't really a Strat unless it has a MADE IN U.S.A on the back of the headstock".

Buy a Epi LP and put 57's in it. Fix.
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Thing is you can say all you want about Gibsons not being as high quality as other guitars in the same price range but why is it that such players as Jimmy Page, Gary Moore and Zakk Wylde continue to use them when in reality they could buy any guitar they wanted to or get an endorsement deal from almost any company. Plus there isn't that feel on non Gibson Les Pauls, I have never played any Epis that felt or sounded better than my Les Paul, it only seems that people who don't own Gibsons slag off their quality or call them overpriced. Just like it ain't really a Strat unless it has a Fender badge on the headstock.


they get them for free?

IMO gibsons are only as good as the one you get..you gotta look for a decent quality one.. Their quality control has been shown going down the toilet, even though i do believe it is going back up.. but for 1500 dollars? it must be some damn good guitar...
#18
^ But I'm sure if they signed a deal with any company the company would give them guitars for free but they still stick with Gibson.

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Because the reason they have most of that money is because Gibson pays them to keep using Gibson guitars so that you could think that exact thought and want to buy one. GLP's are still FANTASTIC guitars, if I could have one, I would.

Oh, and as a Strat player, you mean't to say "Just like it ain't really a Strat unless it has a MADE IN U.S.A on the back of the headstock".

Buy a Epi LP and put 57's in it. Fix.


Very true that about the strat +1. And I think Jimmy Page may made a little bit more out of Led Zep than his Gibson deal.
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^ But I'm sure if they signed a deal with any company the company would give them guitars for free but they still stick with Gibson.


Very true that about the strat +1. And I think Jimmy Page may made a little bit more out of Led Zep than his Gibson deal.



amen to the strat comment lol
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#20
Oh yeh and my first post weren't a jab at you pal it were just a jab at general 'PRS, (insert LP copy), .... are better than Gibson' people. Hope you didn't take it like that anyway ;-)
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Thing is you can say all you want about Gibsons not being as high quality as other guitars in the same price range but why is it that such players as Jimmy Page, Gary Moore and Zakk Wylde continue to use them when in reality they could buy any guitar they wanted to or get an endorsement deal from almost any company. Plus there isn't that feel on non Gibson Les Pauls, I have never played any Epis that felt or sounded better than my Les Paul, it only seems that people who don't own Gibsons slag off their quality or call them overpriced. Just like it ain't really a Strat unless it has a Fender badge on the headstock.

There are plenty of other quality guitars better than Gibson. Get over it.

At the prices Gibson sells stuff at, I'd either go with a more affordable copy of comparable quality, like Burny, Edwards, or Tokai, or go with an equally priced ACTUALLY hand built guitar. That's right, because Gibsons, outside of the Custom Shop ones, aren't made by magical luthier elves. Like every other product, they're mass produced, factory line style.
#22
lol if you were talking to me then i wasn't offended
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#23
Get an Elitist Epi Les Paul and if you REALLY want a Gibby, get one of those Gibson stickers and put it on your Epi
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Thing is you can say all you want about Gibsons not being as high quality as other guitars in the same price range but why is it that such players as Jimmy Page, Gary Moore and Zakk Wylde continue to use them when in reality they could buy any guitar they wanted to or get an endorsement deal from almost any company. Plus there isn't that feel on non Gibson Les Pauls, I have never played any Epis that felt or sounded better than my Les Paul, it only seems that people who don't own Gibsons slag off their quality or call them overpriced. Just like it ain't really a Strat unless it has a Fender badge on the headstock.

i own a real gibson, and i mean a real real gibson. none of this modern crap.
there are lots of gibson style guitars that play and feel better than gibsons, and sound as good or better.
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There are plenty of other quality guitars better than Gibson. Get over it.

At the prices Gibson sells stuff at, I'd either go with a more affordable copy of comparable quality, like Burny, Edwards, or Tokai, or go with an equally priced ACTUALLY hand built guitar. That's right, because Gibsons, outside of the Custom Shop ones, aren't made by magical luthier elves. Like every other product, they're mass produced, factory line style.


I'm fully aware that they are mass produced but believe it or not mass production and CNC cutting can get rid of incongruencies as much as possible, in terms of body dimension. I am also aware that elves don't make Gibsons (not even the custom shop ones) as elves don't exist. I also know that there are other quality guitars out there, however, my preference is for Gibsons and Fenders. And lastly please talk to me like a normal person instead of a 3 year old in future as talking down to people on the internet really makes you seem a bit silly/juvenile.
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Four to five years?

Do you make four cents an hour?

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Four to five years?

Do you make four cents an hour?



lol i make 0 cents. my parents wont let me get a job. college is my job lol
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#28
no no no no

none of you realize that if Gibson charged too much for their instruments then they'd be out of business because no one would buy them? clearly this is not the case so Gibson is charging what people are willing to pay.

you want the prices to go down? make everyone in the world boycott Gibson, if you can't do that bite the bullet and get secret a part time job.
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no no no no

none of you realize that if Gibson charged too much for their instruments then they'd be out of business because no one would buy them? clearly this is not the case so Gibson is charging what people are willing to pay.

you want the prices to go down? make everyone in the world boycott Gibson, if you can't do that bite the bullet and get secret a part time job.


You're in college and your parents are telling you whether to get a job or not?

I'm 14, and can't wait until February so I'm 15 and can(if possible in this ****in economy) get a job, I'm going to. And half of it's going to the fam.
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You're in college and your parents are telling you whether to get a job or not?

I'm 14, and can't wait until February so I'm 15 and can(if possible in this ****in economy) get a job, I'm going to. And half of it's going to the fam.


since my parents are kinda paying for my college, they can dictate whether or not i get a job.
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no no no no

none of you realize that if Gibson charged too much for their instruments then they'd be out of business because no one would buy them? clearly this is not the case so Gibson is charging what people are willing to pay.

you want the prices to go down? make everyone in the world boycott Gibson, if you can't do that bite the bullet and get secret a part time job.


+1 for capitalism!
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You're in college and your parents are telling you whether to get a job or not?

I'm 14, and can't wait until February so I'm 15 and can(if possible in this ****in economy) get a job, I'm going to. And half of it's going to the fam.


Believe it or not bud, it's easier to work a part time job in high school than in college.

Gibsons are nice guitars. Many other companies also make nice guitars. They all try to make money selling said guitars. Everything's overpriced, it's hard to make money selling stuff at cost, not to mention marketing.

You could also argue that nothing's overpriced so long as people are willing to spend the money for it.

I too wish I had a Gibson lp, along with a PRS custom, and an American strat. Just have to save
#33
Having both Gibson and Epi's in my arsenal, they all have their place. I've never had a guitar that I got from Factory that I thought was perfect. I've moddifed all of them and one of my favorite guitars to record with is a epi standard LP that I paid $300 for. I bought it as a stage guitar that I didn't mind beating up. When I recorded it through both a SLO100 and a Mark IV, it sounded magical to me. The magic of a lot of these artist that can afford anything is not they buy the most expensive guitar to sound good. Some great tracks have really cheap guitars that happen to be the right sound for what they were doing.
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Because the reason they have most of that money is because Gibson pays them to keep using Gibson guitars so that you could think that exact thought and want to buy one. GLP's are still FANTASTIC guitars, if I could have one, I would.

Oh, and as a Strat player, you mean't to say "Just like it ain't really a Strat unless it has a MADE IN U.S.A on the back of the headstock".

Buy a Epi LP and put 57's in it. Fix.


I have this feeling that Jimmy Page would continue to play Gibson les pauls whether or not Gibson paid him to do so or not. The guy's main guitar is a 1959 sunburst that Joe Walsh found for him in the late 60s, and he has used it ever since. Before he ever had any sort of endorsement or anything. That guitar is probably the holy grail of rock n roll history. It's priceless...
#35
Nowadays, Gibson is to guitars as Marshall is to amps.
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Nowadays, Gibson is to guitars as Marshall is to amps.

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yea, i was about say something to that effect lol....except not as concisely and with not as many awesome words like imperative and significant....and evolution too
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#38
Gibsons are priced high. This doesn't mean they are overpriced. I've never played another Les Paul that played as comfortable as my Gibson Swamp Ash, or the two Gibsons the guy I bought it from has (he lets me play them whenever I come over). Yes, some Epiphones play very well, but there is just a different feel to them.
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i didn't deny that. what i was saying was with the market as it stands currently, they aren't the powerhouses that they once were, IMO. unfortunately, their prices do not reflect that change
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