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Well at this very moment it looks like I will be getting myself a new guitar fairly soon! Then of course I ask myself, what guitar to get...

So far there are two types I'm looking at: A P90 loaded guitar (preferably with mahogany body) or a semi hollow. The stuff I play are things like The Who, AC/DC, Rolling Stones, Cream, Led Zeppelin and Joe Bonamassa. The kind of tone I want is a big and fat one, but still with a nice amount of treble. The thing is I don't know if I want the softness and "clicky" tone of a semi or a fat and raunchy tone of a P90.

But anyway. My main choices at this moment are a Vintage V100GT Les Paul (Goldtop style) and a Epiphone Dot. The Vintage is €100 more though. This means that if I get the Dot, I can upgrade the pickups (I'm thinking Duncan '59s).

My budget is below €500 prefferably. Keep in mind I live in Sweden, but have no problems importing from other EU countries (if I get the Dot I'd buy it of Thomann for example).
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I don't know how much the exchange rate is but here you can get a Fender TC90 for about £400 which is a small-bodied semi-hollow with seymour duncan p90 pickups as stock - definitely worth checking out, imo - that is, if you can find one, as they are discontinued...
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Personally i would go for the dot becuase i prefer it, however i dont know much about vintage.
If you go for the dot you'll probly have to replace the machineheads because i think the stock ones are average, they dont come with grovers do they? can someone confirm that?
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I don't know how much the exchange rate is but here you can get a Fender TC90 for about £400 which is a small-bodied semi-hollow with seymour duncan p90 pickups as stock - definitely worth checking out, imo - that is, if you can find one, as they are discontinued...


Well they are rather hard to find. Also the kind of P90 tone I want is that of Pete Townshend (Tommy/Live At Leeds era) and Leslie West (Mountain). Actually the P90 guitar might win out in the long run... But does anybody have other suggestions for P90 loaded guitars?

Well found another alternative:
Eagle 840
It's a Swedish guitar brand, but made in Korea. Loks similar to an Epi Casino


From what I know, they are very good quality and it's only €300 now (normally it's €600)-
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Epi firebird might get the thick tone while keeping the trebble bite. Not every one likes firebirds though... It would have the mahogany body, not sure if it would be less than the les paul though.
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Epi firebird might get the thick tone while keeping the trebble bite. Not every one likes firebirds though... It would have the mahogany body, not sure if it would be less than the les paul though.


Well have played one and they have a great tone (I love Johnny Winter). But not the tone I'm looking for really...

Oh and one more thing.
Sioux city sasparilla.
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Well have played one and they have a great tone (I love Johnny Winter). But not the tone I'm looking for really...

Oh and one more thing.
Sioux city sasparilla.

Yeah, thats a good one
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Yeah, thats a good one


Man I love that film.

Anyway. I've called the shop and they have the Casino style guitar in another city, so they will take it in at least! However I hear they don't have way too good sustain...
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It really pulled the room together


That casino style one is rather nice looking. Looks like a good choice (hopefully it also sounds like one)
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It really pulled the room together


That casino style one is rather nice looking. Looks like a good choice (hopefully it also sounds like one)


Tied the room together!
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If you want that kind of Townshend sound, find a used Les Paul Deluxe somewhere? There's also P90 versions of them

Still if it's either the Dot or the Vintage LP, it's a hard choice because they're about as good (althogh yea, definitely repalce the Dot's tuners, they're not very good). Vintage guitars are really great 'newcomers'. I played an ebony Vintage Les Pal and it was almost identitcal to my Deluxe - playability and everything. Sound is very good too - but a Dot with better pickups (and tuners) is world-class as well.

So, bottomline; you can't really go wrong with either; just for Zep, Cream, Who and Bonamassa I vote Vintage Les Paul.

Plus you'll be able to tell people you have a vintage Les Pal
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If you want that kind of Townshend sound, find a used Les Paul Deluxe somewhere? There's also P90 versions of them

Still if it's either the Dot or the Vintage LP, it's a hard choice because they're about as good (althogh yea, definitely repalce the Dot's tuners, they're not very good). Vintage guitars are really great 'newcomers'. I played an ebony Vintage Les Pal and it was almost identitcal to my Deluxe - playability and everything. Sound is very good too - but a Dot with better pickups (and tuners) is world-class as well.

So, bottomline; you can't really go wrong with either; just for Zep, Cream, Who and Bonamassa I vote Vintage Les Paul.

Plus you'll be able to tell people you have a vintage Les Pal


Well Deluxes are nice. But I'm looking or the Tommy kind of tone, Deluxes are more of his live 70's tone.

Also, for Zep, Cream and Bonamassa I already have my Gibson LP with Bareknuckle Mules, so those tones I can handle.

But yeah, I'm leaning towards the Vintage. The thing is that the Dot is cheaper, however it needs so much fixing it isn't going to stay cheaper.
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I'm personally in a similar decision making process and am leaning towards the Epiphone Casino. Maybe you should consider it too?
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Well I do, the thing is the Eagle I posted is basically a Casino, jus that it doesn't say Epiphone on it. I know the quality of Eagles are good (I've played them before) and it's half the price. Actually it's the cheapest of all of them!
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Well I do, the thing is the Eagle I posted is basically a Casino, jus that it doesn't say Epiphone on it. I know the quality of Eagles are good (I've played them before) and it's half the price. Actually it's the cheapest of all of them!


Is the quality that nice then? I mean hell, I'm living in Korea at the moment, I could get myself a bargain potentially...
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Well Deluxes are nice. But I'm looking or the Tommy kind of tone, Deluxes are more of his live 70's tone.

Also, for Zep, Cream and Bonamassa I already have my Gibson LP with Bareknuckle Mules, so those tones I can handle.

But yeah, I'm leaning towards the Vintage. The thing is that the Dot is cheaper, however it needs so much fixing it isn't going to stay cheaper.


I didn't know you already had a Gibson Les Paul! Man.

It's easy then, the Dot. I think the difference in tone between a Dot and LP is going to be more distinctive than the difference between two LPs, P90s or not.

Unless you also have an ES335 you're not telling us about
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Is the quality that nice then? I mean hell, I'm living in Korea at the moment, I could get myself a bargain potentially...


Well I find the quality to be good. It's compareable to better Epis, Vintages and Agiles.

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I didn't know you already had a Gibson Les Paul! Man.

It's easy then, the Dot. I think the difference in tone between a Dot and LP is going to be more distinctive than the difference between two LPs, P90s or not.

Unless you also have an ES335 you're not telling us about


Well no ES here... However I wonder if a Casino style would be a good middle ground?

But yeah, say I get the Dot, which I'm leaning for. What stuff should I get with it?
I was thinking about these:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/grover_135n.htm

And then save my money and get Bareknuckle Stormy Mondays later on.
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Well no ES here... However I wonder if a Casino style would be a good middle ground?

But yeah, say I get the Dot, which I'm still leaning for. What stuff should I get with it?


Well I find the quality to be good. It's compareable to better Epis, Vintages and Agiles.


With the Dot? Grover of Gotoh tuners, and maybe new pickups. However:


335 vs Dot

You shouldn't just get new pickups because you want better one's, the Dot's are good enough overally, you should only get new ones if you want different ones, see what I mean? Hell you could slap P90s in a dot and see what happens
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Well I find the quality to be good. It's compareable to better Epis, Vintages and Agiles ...
Correct! It's nice to see some P-90 love. I got this MIJ Epi for a really nice price in Japan. They occasionally show up on evilBay and CraigsList in the US. It's perfect for early Santana, too ... I know he used a Gibson SG with P-90s.



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With the Dot? Grover of Gotoh tuners, and maybe new pickups. However:


335 vs Dot

You shouldn't just get new pickups because you want better one's, the Dot's are good enough overally, you should only get new ones if you want different ones, see what I mean? Hell you could slap P90s in a dot and see what happens


Well you have a point there! But I can tell you, I know what difference those Bareknuckles make. When I put hte Mules in my Les Paul, it made the guitar realy sing. And then I'd get Stormy Mondays, because I want slightly different pickups. But yeah, that is for later.

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Correct! It's nice to see some P-90 love. I got this MIJ Epi for a really nice price in Japan. They occasionally show up on evilBay and CraigsList in the US. It's perfect for early Santana, too ... I know he used a Gibson SG with P-90s.





Oh man that's a nice one!
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Hmm, Since you've already got the Gibby LP, I'd say the Dot(with a pickup change) or the Eagle.

Simple answer is to try them out and see which one you like better.
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The V100 GT looks like a great guitar. I played the Vintage Peter Green Lemon drop a few months ago and it was nice. I like the Les Paul shape but I already own a mahogany bodied yamaha with 2 humbuckers and could not really justify another guitar with similar sound. The V100GT with P90s might give you enough difference from your Les Paul to justify the cost. If you go for the DOT duncan 59s are nice pickups. I put them in an Epiphone G400 and they were much nicer than the stock pickups it came with. I had a little valve junior back then my Tokia Strat always sounded nice but the stock pups in the g400 were rather muddy. The 59s really made the guitar come alive.
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And you're paying the shipping?


Of course Gabe. I'm made of money after all.
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Of course Gabe. I made of money after all.


Haha. But yeah shipping from the US so expensive for me...
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Haha. But yeah shipping from the US so expensive for me...


Any PRS dealers over there? They might be able to hook you up with one.
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Well there are. Problem is that it's €200/$250 more than the Vintage and IMO Vintage wins out quality wise...
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Well there are. Problem is that it's €200/$250 more than the Vintage and IMO Vintage wins out quality wise...


Fair enough.


Do they really bump the PRS guitars up that much? Over here, Vintage guitars are still very affordable.
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haha, you sound like me, gabe.

just be careful with those vintages, the quality control seems to be pretty variable...

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oh, ok, i thought maybe you were ordering online. yeah, definitely try it first.
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Epiphone Casino or a Washburn WI66 Pro (I believe that's the model, it's a goldtop). Both are good guitars under 700 in US, so that'd be just slightly out of your budget by like a few dollars. In my opinion worth it for really great guitars.

also, € is the sign for euro, correct? i'm terrible with european money signs.
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^ sweden uses some crazy currency though. the kroner or something like that (EDIT: whoops, krona ). every european country doesn't use the euro... that is the sign of the euro, though.

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Well as I said, the Eagle is the same guitar as the Casino, but half the price. The Washburn P90 model isn't sold here anyway...
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#38
really? damn, they seem like nice guitars; basically a les paul but with better fret access (and half the cost). Don't know how the vintage brand is, but if you like it and it's in your budget go for it.
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^ sweden uses some crazy currency though. the kroner or something like that (EDIT: whoops, krona ). every european country doesn't use the euro... that is the sign of the euro, though.

*is aware of the hypocrisy of our use of the pound*


Well both are correct. Krona is singular kroner (or kronor) are the plural form. However one krona is basically a 10th of a euro...
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Yeah, they use a currency named SEK. I went to Sweden once for a tournament (don't ask ) and a Japanese guy who went with us (we were the Dutch group) at one point wanted to exchange his euros - so he went to this money exchange desk and asked in funny English 'I have euros but I want to have SEKs'

We laughed our pants off.
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