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This is the decision i am faced with right now. Help me UG.
#2
The Ibanez is (imo) a lot better in quality and overrall playability. The tremolo isn't double locking though, so you shouldn't do heavy whammy bar abuse. The Schecter does have an edge for metal (unless you hate actives), and you can pull up with the tremolo.

EDIT: the Ibanez costs a lot more new btw.
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#3
well the grain on that ibanez looks like **** (if the lines arent parallel it looks horrible to me).


i absolutely love my schecter, and ive never owned an ibanez, so im biased in favor of schecter.

they have really comfy necks for just about any style and play really smoothly.
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The Ibanez is (imo) a lot better in quality and overrall playability. The tremolo isn't double locking though, so you shouldn't do heavy whammy bar abuse. The Schecter does have an edge for metal (unless you hate actives), and you can pull up with the tremolo.


I was able to raise the pitch of the Ibanez about 2 and a half tones. I liked the neck better, its just that the Schecter is so damn cheap.
#5
i prefer schecter i think they play nicer and got a bit more weight which i like. light guitars feel weird for me
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Quote by Jayez
I was able to raise the pitch of the Ibanez about 2 and a half tones. I liked the neck better, its just that the Schecter is so damn cheap.


If you like the ibanez more, you're not going to be happy with the schecter. You might buy it, live with it for a while, but you'll always be thinking about the ibanez. You might as well save up the extra money for the ibanez now.
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#8
I've played both guitars, and without a doubt the nicer guitar is the Schecter.

Surprisingly it's not even close. The SV5470 is a platform that has the potential for greatness, but falls woefully short. The Hellraiser has a whole lot of features, and for a very good price. The Ibanez is extremely overpriced and under featured.


Pickups: Ibanez vs EMG
Trem: Ibanz vs Floyd Rose
Tuners: GOTOH vs Grover
Neck joing: Bolt vs Thru
Price: rediculous vs reasonable.

I own a Prestige Ibanez and my brother has one. They play very nicely, the neck is kinda nice; that being said, the pickups are garbage. The good thing is that there are Ibanez nuts that will buy them all day long, so when you get an Ibanez and you have to replace the garbage stock pickups you can ebay the stockers.

IMPORTANT:
The #1 thing to remember about Ibanez is that the hardware may look pretty in Cosmo, but it will last less than a year. If you play the guitar, you'll wear the finish off quickly. It took me less than 3 weeks to turn my pretty cosmo bridge into something that looked 20 years old.

Check out the picture of the RGA121 on Ibanez website, the hardware is actually already worn on that guitar!

I know some Ibanez fanboi will blast me saying that the cosmo hardware will last forever as long as you keep it in a climate controlled environment with a cleaning crew on call 24/7 and blah blah. With the Schecter you can play it, not clean the trem and come back the next day and it still looks new, were as the Ibanez will make you pay for forgetting to go Billy Mays on it.
#9
I think that that Ibanez model is overpriced. If you could do an S prestige instead of SV, I'd take that, otherwise the Schecter. The SV trems are good, but the ZR trems are fantastic.
#10
Quote by jairic
I've played both guitars, and without a doubt the nicer guitar is the Schecter. <snip>
Any Ibanez fanboy worth their salt will readily admit that anything "cosmo" is about as resilient as a wet tissue. It scratches, rubs off, and everything. So does any finished hardware. And yes, S5470 is expensive. The rest of your post is pure opinion.

The pickups. EMGs are garbage. See what I did there? Opinion. In the end, it's irrelevant to me. I can get an ibanez, sell the stockies, and and buy the pickups I want from the proceeds. I could do the same with the Schecter, but I'd be rewiring the whole thing from scratch to deactivate the system.

Trem. The trem on the S is a fantastic bit of engineering. You won't get it on a Schecter.

Tuners. The Ibanez has functional locking tuners. Is that a problem?

Neck joint. Who cares? I like my maple necks and mahogany bodies, so I get a bolt-on. Someone else likes their mahogany guitars without a huge block of maple through the middle of the body, so they also get a bolt on. Someone else likes an all-mahogany guitar. They buy a Hellraiser. Tastes differ.

And what's that about "underfeatured". The Ibanez has an original trem (full of features, that machine!), an original body shape, locking tuners, graphite nut, original pickups, and an original neck profile. The Schecter is a thoroughly generic guitar with a bunch of OEM hardware tossed in and a nasty splash of binding to spice it up. If I wanted meaningful features, I know what I'd have bought.
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I think that that Ibanez model is overpriced. If you could do an S prestige instead of SV, I'd take that, otherwise the Schecter. The SV trems are good, but the ZR trems are fantastic.


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Any Ibanez fanboy worth their salt will readily admit that anything "cosmo" is about as resilient as a wet tissue. It scratches, rubs off, and everything. So does any finished hardware. And yes, S5470 is expensive. The rest of your post is pure opinion.

The pickups. EMGs are garbage. See what I did there? Opinion. In the end, it's irrelevant to me. I can get an ibanez, sell the stockies, and and buy the pickups I want from the proceeds. I could do the same with the Schecter, but I'd be rewiring the whole thing from scratch to deactivate the system.

Trem. The trem on the S is a fantastic bit of engineering. You won't get it on a Schecter.

Tuners. The Ibanez has functional locking tuners. Is that a problem?

Neck joint. Who cares? I like my maple necks and mahogany bodies, so I get a bolt-on. Someone else likes their mahogany guitars without a huge block of maple through the middle of the body, so they also get a bolt on. Someone else likes an all-mahogany guitar. They buy a Hellraiser. Tastes differ.

And what's that about "underfeatured". The Ibanez has an original trem (full of features, that machine!), an original body shape, locking tuners, graphite nut, original pickups, and an original neck profile. The Schecter is a thoroughly generic guitar with a bunch of OEM hardware tossed in and a nasty splash of binding to spice it up. If I wanted meaningful features, I know what I'd have bought.

Also note that the schecter neck isn't even neck-thru, it's set. And it's a mahogany neck, not maple.
#13
I've owned both an Ibanez SV series and a Hellraiser.

I liked the Ibanez neck more before I shaved my Hellraiser neck. Now they're about the same in terms of playability. The Hellraiser neck is a bit thick imo.

The Hellraiser has nicer hardware IMO (Original Floyd Rose, EMGs, Grovers). But if you haven't worked with a Floyd or floating bridge before, be careful if you play in different tunings.

Also, +1 for the ZR/Edge Zero trem, you can abuse them endlessly and they'll stay in tune.
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#14
i only recomend the hellraiser if you want to buy mine
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Trem. The trem on the S is a fantastic bit of engineering. You won't get it on a Schecter.


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#16
I should have just said the the Hellraiser is a better value, were money on concern I'd buy the Ibanez and upgrade the pickups.
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Quote by pifty

The pickups. EMGs are garbage. See what I did there? Opinion. In the end, it's irrelevant to me. I can get an ibanez, sell the stockies, and and buy the pickups I want from the proceeds. I could do the same with the Schecter, but I'd be rewiring the whole thing from scratch to deactivate the system.

Emgs are easier to change, than most of passive pickups.
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Emgs are easier to change, than most of passive pickups.

yeah, to other EMGs. changing a 707 to a passive SD or something can be a pain in the ass.
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#19
Quote by Jayez
I was able to raise the pitch of the Ibanez about 2 and a half tones. I liked the neck better, its just that the Schecter is so damn cheap.


Can you dive as well as lift the Ibanez trem? That would surprise me, given it's not double-locking, which is better for tuning stability.

Do you like the sound of EMGs? If so, hellraiser = win for sure.

Do you like Ibanez' thin necks? If so, go the Ibby.

Are you keen on replacing pickups should you get the Ibby?

BTW I'm getting my EMGs in my Hellraiser Avenger taken out and replaced with Duncan Invaders (that i already have) for about $85AUD including pots, wiring and restringing. So $100 including strings, maybe what, $65USD? I hardly think that's expensive..

I would vote for the Schecter without a doubt. I also think the Ibanez S Prestige is a better Ibanez personally.
#20
Notice we're all talking opinion here.

TS. You like the ibanez more. That right there should end the decision making for you. if you don't get the guitar you like you're essentially wasting the money you spend on the 'inferior' guitar.

Also (Back to opinons) the ibanez wins in every aspect besides the bridge.
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#21
Jairic: Mentioning the Grover tuners on the Hellraiser is a bit superfluous since they're out of the picture once the nut is locked. Also, I'd guess the FR on the Schecter is Gotoh-made, like the tuners on the Ibanez. Also, bolt-on is nice. Don't bash it.
#22
The bridge is a VERY important thing, and is highly costly and troublesome to change.
#23
IMHO Ibanez guitars are nice but not worth the money. They tend to be overrated and overpriced. I have played both brands of guitars myself and the Schecter wins hands down for price and quality. You can read all the yeas and nays here but truthfully nothing is as good as getting your hands on the guitars your trying to decide on. You need to try guitars out and see for yourself. I understand some people don't have decent guitars shops in their area and have to depend on others opinions but everyone has there favorites they will push. IMHO it's worth a trip to a guitar shop when your spending a lot of dough on something you plan on buying. Trust me you would be really surprized how nice a lot of the guitars that people dump on here actually are much better than stated. Schecter makes a great guitar I have never played one I didn't like so you need to get out and try some.


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#24
Ibanez hands down,more comfortable, nice thin/flat neck opposed to the baseball bat feel of the schecter necks which i can't stand.