#1
if you have cheap headphones (think ipod headphones) and you have them up loud enough that you can't hear anything else, is that as bad as having good headphones where you don't have to crank the knob as much to get good sound because they do a better job of isolating outside noises and get... "deeper" in you ear? while both headphones sound the same volume when sitting on my desk out of my ears with the knob at the same spot.

is the bottom line, the louder the more likely it is damaging regardless of where the knob is?

thanks
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if you have cheap headphones (think ipod headphones) and you have them up loud enough that you can't hear anything else, is that as bad as having good headphones where you don't have to crank the knob as much to get good sound because they do a better job of isolating outside noises and get... "deeper" in you ear? while both headphones sound the same volume when sitting on my desk out of my ears with the knob at the same spot.

is the bottom line, the louder the more likely it is damaging regardless of where the knob is?

thanks


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...duh?



He's asking weather it depends on the type of headphones as well...


I don't know myself as I've only used iPod headphones, also I'm really conscious of my hearing so I never have it turned it up loud.
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...duh?

idk if its the waves litterally shaking your ear drum or whatnot, in which case wouldn't the cheap ones be putting out more??... maybe kind of the same thing as how tube amps sound louder to us but statistically they aren't.
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#5
If you experience any ringing or loss of hearing levels after exposure to loud sounds there has been some permanent damage. While it's likely a small amount it adds up quickly. Believe me I can no longer sleep without white noise as the ringing in my ears it so bad.
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#6
In ear headphones are generally worse since they are closer to your eardrum.
#7
As a general rule, if you can hear a ringing in your ears afterward, you have damaged your ears.
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Answer to your real question: yes you should shell out the cash for some nice ones
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#9
^huh, i did not know that, and its permanent? that sucks... but in-ear wouldn't necessarily be worse would they? wouldn't it just translate into less volume on the knob to be loud enough to hear it right?
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The reason it damages your ears is because you hear the sounds through the vibrations of the sound wave coming into your ear. The sound wave gets amplified by bouncing around in your ear to your ear drum. The louder the sound is, the stronger the sound wave is, which is why it would damage your hearing. With the earbuds in farther, it might bounce around faster possibly making it more likely to damage your ears, but I am not certain, and I'm sure you could easily google it.
#11
Well theres more isolation so you won't need to turn it up to hear over things happening around you.Deffinitley invest in some quality headphones.
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#12
I'd have thought it was actual loudness, not perceived loudness which causes the problem so the more expensive, in ear, noise cancelling ones should be better.

do you have to listen to your music at that level?
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#13
I would think that louder is always worse regardless of the headphone type or what it sounds like to you. In the ear buds will sound louder and better at lower volume. Noise cancellation cans (bose qc2) will provide the best volume to sound quality ratio while not damaging your hearing.
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do you have to listen to your music at that level?


not at all, its hardly every beyond a reasonable level, i was just curious, and i'm not sure if i knew enough backround info to fuel a successful google search.

actually, i've got some ten dollar sony's the little blue ones that go in the ear and there's a thing going over and behind the ear. they're really the best i've heard stuff through, they wear out in a couple months though, but its only ten dollars, they keep me happy and i don't have to worry about breaking or losing some crazy expensive bose ones. though i'm sure they would sound immensely better
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get noise canceling headphones
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#16
i asked the doctor the same thing he told it dose not matter , if it is loud it will harm your ears ,it dose not matter if they are good or not or how much you spend you will harm your ears.my ears has been ringing for over 25 years now .there hair like fibers in your ears when you damage them they do not grow back ,when they are gone your hearing is gone .look it up it will tell you the same thing im saying now .dont be a dumb ass be smart one time in your life and take care of your ears when they are gone you are **** out of luck.
i got a friend right now that cant hear crap do to head phones .you better be wise
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i asked the doctor the same thing he told it dose not matter , if it is loud it will harm your ears ,it dose not matter if they are good or not or how much you spend you will harm your ears.my ears has been ringing for over 25 years now .there hair like fibers in your ears when you damage them they do not grow back ,when they are gone your hearing is gone .look it up it will tell you the same thing im saying now .dont be a dumb ass be smart one time in your life and take care of your ears when they are gone you are **** out of luck.
i got a friend right now that cant hear crap do to head phones .you better be wise


thats the answer i was looking for, thanks. And also, as I said earlier, I never listen to it outragiously loud, never rings when i'm done or anything like that, just was curious.

Edit: while we're on the subject, anyone know if having the bass super boosted is worse than having the treble super boosted?? also, just curious
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i asked the doctor the same thing he told it dose not matter , if it is loud it will harm your ears ,it dose not matter if they are good or not or how much you spend you will harm your ears.my ears has been ringing for over 25 years now .there hair like fibers in your ears when you damage them they do not grow back ,when they are gone your hearing is gone .look it up it will tell you the same thing im saying now .dont be a dumb ass be smart one time in your life and take care of your ears when they are gone you are **** out of luck.
i got a friend right now that cant hear crap do to head phones .you better be wise

yeah but he's asking the difference between perceived loudness and actual loudness.

he's asking if the pressure of the noise cancelling headphones at a lower level be equal to the normal earphones at a higher level. not just whether 2 things that are of equal volume will cause the same damage.

if you had two 100w amps (same speakers, design, mass etc) they could be at the same volume but if one's tube and one's SS the tube one may appear louder to the human brain but if you measured them with decibel meters you'd get the same result
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I don't know what all the fuss is about when it comes to hearing damage from headphones. I've been using all types of headphones, always at maximum volume and for at least 3 hours a day since I was about 11 and my hearing is still as good as it ever was (I'm now 24). I've experienced a bit of ringing or reduced hearing for a couple of minutes a few times (usually with Sony headphones for some reason) but I've never noticed any permanent damage
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I don't know what all the fuss is about when it comes to hearing damage from headphones. I've been using all types of headphones, always at maximum volume and for at least 3 hours a day since I was about 11 and my hearing is still as good as it ever was (I'm now 24). I've experienced a bit of ringing or reduced hearing for a couple of minutes a few times (usually with Sony headphones for some reason) but I've never noticed any permanent damage


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