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Old 02-06-2016, 02:13 AM   #1
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What stroke do you use when alt picking fast and changing strings?

Down or up? The pattern throws me off and I end up having to use hammer ons and pull offs more than I should.
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Old 02-06-2016, 03:24 AM   #2
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I use economy picking. Basically the same as alternate picking, but when you're changing strings and you just picked in the direction you're changing you pick that direction again. So say you just down picked on the A string and the next note is on the D string pick down again since you're going that way already. The same thing when moving up, you up pick. It's like using alternate picking and sweep picking when it's possible to do so.

Some people also prefer what's called outside picking, but I personally prefer inside picking, like say you're alternating back and forth between the E and A string, if you're outside picking you would pick down on the E and then up on the A - down E, up A, down E, up A, etc. inside picking would be the opposite - up E and down A. I've heard people claim that outside picking is better if you're skipping strings, but I've always been an inside picker and never had a problem with it, so I'd say it's just down to personal preference.


If you're playing 2 or 4 notes per string then whether you're an alternate picker or economy picker it's the same, but if it's an odd number economy picking will be different. like if you play a 3 note per string scale run starting at the big E string it would be down up down, down up down, down up down etc for economy picking.

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Old 02-06-2016, 08:07 AM   #3
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Can you give an example of a sequence you're having trouble with?

I tend to favour strict alternate picking, because I don't have to think about when to change direction. I'm always picking down-up-down-up-down-up, regardless of whether I'm changing strings, or how many notes are played on each string. My hand gets into a natural rhythm, much like tapping your foot to the beat.

Outside and inside picking are a matter of preference. It depends on what you're trying to play, and you'll often be using both.
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Old 02-06-2016, 08:31 AM   #4
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If you are alternate picking, you use whatever stroke it happens to be. That's the point of alternate picking - you play down-up-down-up all the time. You can of course use economy picking too but that's a different technique.

This is a good video regarding the topic.



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Old 02-06-2016, 09:03 AM   #5
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I don't really think about it. I just do it i guess. I don't pay too much attention to when I'm using downstrokes vs upstrokes.
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:54 PM   #6
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Can you give an example of a sequence you're having trouble with?

I tend to favour strict alternate picking, because I don't have to think about when to change direction. I'm always picking down-up-down-up-down-up, regardless of whether I'm changing strings, or how many notes are played on each string. My hand gets into a natural rhythm, much like tapping your foot to the beat.

Outside and inside picking are a matter of preference. It depends on what you're trying to play, and you'll often be using both.


Stuff like:

-12-10-8---10-8--------8-----------
----------12------12-10---12-10-8-
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Old 02-06-2016, 10:48 PM   #7
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That pattern can definitely be done with strict alt picking. It's just a scale running down in 4ths.

It's easy to turn that pattern into a technique workout. Just apply the pattern to the whole scale and run it up and down the neck a few times. Do that a couple times a week for a while and your alt picking will be in good shape, at least with regard to scalewise lines.

And your picking technique choices should be made based on what sound you want, not just what's convenient.

Alt picking is the "standard" for most guitar music, and it will give you maximum control over individual notes - clear accents, precise dynamics, punchy tone. The downside is that it takes lot of practice to alt pick at high speed, and often that means you're playing music where such precision is not needed.

Economy picking is a legato technique, meant to make a series of notes blend. You have less control over individual notes, but you get a smoother sound and less of a technical challenge at high tempos.
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Old 02-06-2016, 10:53 PM   #8
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I played it fast and then repeated it slowly to double check how I played it and it was indeed economy picking. Like this:

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d u d u d u u d d u d u -12-10-8-----10-8--------8----------- ----------12------12-10----12-10-8--- ------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- -------------------------------------


Of course, alternate picking is fine as well if that works for you.
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I love alt picking compared to economy. Generally just up-down rapidly, which works for my majority background as a rhythm guitarist and somewhat works well for lead solos too

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