#1
Gear:
-Epiphone les paul standard (all stock)
-Monster Cable (about 6 ft)
-Bugera 333 (all stock)
-I prefer using the bridge pickup while I play metal because I like getting the squeals (I'm still working on making them consistent).
-For EQing, I generally have the mids around 2-4. My bass is usually up around 7-8.5 and treble is up around 7-8. I noticed that when I started backing off with the bass and treble, the gain loses its heavyness, and theres little articulation with the low E string ect. Gain is usually anywhere from 5-8. Still trying to find the right amount. My channel volume is usually about halfway up and the master is at around 3-4ish.

Suggestions? Does a specific piece of my equipment suck? (Lol, don't bash the Bugera, but feel free to suggest alternative components). I'm trying to avoid pedals for now also. I was considering new pickups in the LP. Or maybe I'm just poor at EQing. Feel free to suggest anything or bash. TY!

Edit: Oh, by the way. I was also thinking my tubes may possibly be a bit cold. I'm uncertain if I should replace them and rebias, or if I should just bias them (maybe pull 2 tubes as well).
Last edited by Watterboy at Jan 7, 2009,
#2
boost the mids and lower the treble and bass. Then if you don't get anything from that, think about picking up an Overdrive pedal
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#3
New pickups would definitely help - Epiphone stock pickups aren't very good.

Also, playing around with the EQ might help improve your tone a bit.

But it sounds to me like you would benefit from a boost pedal such as a Digitech Bad Monkey.
#4
Whats more effective in terms of tone improvement and cost efficiency? A boost pedal or a new or new pickups (probably active, although I'm not sure if I wanna sacrifice my clean tone). And it is possible that I haven't had my amp cranked up enough as well. Every1 says it sounds great at around 5, but is that channel volume maxed with max volume at 5? or what?
#5
I dont love boost pedals in front of amps, so Id have to say stick some new pickups in that baby.
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#6
I'm currently using Earnie Ball 9s. I pretty much always stick to E standard and sometimes drop D, but I think I'm gonna bump up to 10s instead. Not sure if I should stay with Earnie. I can't quite get that top string to squeal some reason though.
#7
Bump up to 10's for sure, and eventually 11 if you can. 9's sound very weak IMO. Even 10's sometimes. Your lows boom a lot more with heavy strings, and your highs are smoother.
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#8
your rig has no hope in my opinion. cheap amp + cheap speakers will always sound sterile and muddy.
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#9
I've heard some good tones coming out of the Bugeras in plenty of video and audio clips. Speakers could always be replaced. You could always suggest a decent replacement speaker. And thanks for the info on strings dcd.
#10
ok... replace the speakers with v30s. Throw JJ's in the power section, and tung-sols in the preamp section. Replace the transformer with a mercury. Replace all the resistors with higher quality resistors. Throw some burstbuckers in the epi, and learn how to EQ and turn down the gain.
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Gibson: LP std, SG std, SG goth, SG spec
G&L ASAT classic
Martin DC-16GTE
#11
I would suggest a boost pedal, like the previously mentioned Bad Monkey.
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#13
Back off the treble and increase the mids. Add light reverb.

Get a new cable that's 10-15 ft long, something cheaper than a Monster. 6 ft is just an unnecessary annoyance.

Your equipment is serviceable for gigging, but certainly not desirable. There's no reason to buy a 120W amp for that cheap. If you're playing big enough venues to need the full 120 watts, you should be getting paid enough to afford something nicer.

A new guitar would be a cheaper upgrade. A new amp will make a bigger difference.
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#14
Quote by Ddjembe Mutombo
ok... replace the speakers with v30s. Throw JJ's in the power section, and tung-sols in the preamp section. Replace the transformer with a mercury. Replace all the resistors with higher quality resistors. Throw some burstbuckers in the epi, and learn how to EQ and turn down the gain.


Putting a MM tranny in a Bugera? I hope you're kidding. The upgrades are worth more than the amp.
#15
^I think that was his point I guess I took it as Internet Sarcasm.

TS - you said in your OP "Edit: Oh, by the way. I was also thinking my tubes may possibly be a bit cold. I'm uncertain if I should replace them and rebias, or if I should just bias them (maybe pull 2 tubes as well)."

I would read the blog BeerChurch wrote on this. I think it will help you, especially if you keep your amp. He can be found posting frequently in the Bugera Users Militia thread.

Otherwise - OD, Speaker, EQ, Tubes in that order
#16
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
^I think that was his point I guess I took it as Internet Sarcasm.

TS - you said in your OP "Edit: Oh, by the way. I was also thinking my tubes may possibly be a bit cold. I'm uncertain if I should replace them and rebias, or if I should just bias them (maybe pull 2 tubes as well)."

I would read the blog BeerChurch wrote on this. I think it will help you, especially if you keep your amp. He can be found posting frequently in the Bugera Users Militia thread.

Otherwise - OD, Speaker, EQ, Tubes in that order


Correct bias will help...

I don't know...I get FULL saturation on the lead channel with the gain around 4 with a fairly hot Carvin PU. (Thats with the XL switches engaged on a 333XL into a 412)

Only other thing I would suggest is to set the dampening switch to "low" to open the speakers up. Max out the channel levels, then turn up the master as loud as you an take it.
#17
333 does not do 'tight'. That's the character of the amp.
If you wanted tight, you should've got a 62XX.
#18
Quote by al112987
Putting a MM tranny in a Bugera? I hope you're kidding. The upgrades are worth more than the amp.

i previously said his rig was a lost cause, but he wanted specifics. I know it sounds retarded, that is why he is better off buying a new amp than trying to make this ****ter sound good.
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H&K: Triamp MKII, Duotone
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Gibson: LP std, SG std, SG goth, SG spec
G&L ASAT classic
Martin DC-16GTE
#19
Boost that witch! Also the Bugera isn't a lost cause, but I will say it strongly benefits from better tubes. Put some KT77s in the power amp, Tung-Sol 12AX7 in V1, JJs in V2 and 3 and then a JAN-Phillips 5751 in the PI spot. Thank me later. Also Eminence Speakers sound excellent in this one. Try Texas Heats on for size
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#20
Quote by al112987
Putting a MM tranny in a Bugera? I hope you're kidding. The upgrades are worth more than the amp.


Besides in a high gainer I'd go with a Heyboer, not MM. MM is overpriced and primarily aimed at Fender and low wattage amps in my experience
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#21
Quote by FlyingBeerman
Get a new cable that's 10-15 ft long, something cheaper than a Monster. 6 ft is just an unnecessary annoyance.

Wát.

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#22
Quote by Ghold125
boost the mids and lower the treble and bass. Then if you don't get anything from that, think about picking up an Overdrive pedal

Quote by i_am_metalhead
New pickups would definitely help - Epiphone stock pickups aren't very good.

Also, playing around with the EQ might help improve your tone a bit.

But it sounds to me like you would benefit from a boost pedal such as a Digitech Bad Monkey.
These. Just change your bridge pickup, get an OD, and lower the bass on your amp while adding more mids.
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#23
Tungsols are too bright and harsh sounding for Peaveys and Bugeras. Throw a JJ ECC83S in the V1 and V2 spots and lower the bass. People are always running their bass way too high. 5-6 is suffice. Your stock Epi bridge pickup is also anything but tight for high gain playing. They are loose, sloppy and unfocused.
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#24
Quote by Ddjembe Mutombo
i previously said his rig was a lost cause, but he wanted specifics. I know it sounds retarded, that is why he is better off buying a new amp than trying to make this ****ter sound good.

dude, chill out. his amp is fine for what he is doing. he is asking how to make the best of what he has. not everyone can justify spending lots of money on a rig.
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#25
i got a marshall mg and a MONSTER TONE out of it by cranking the bass and middle almost all the way, cutting back on the treble a bit, and keeping the presence down. Then I put it through a BOSS sd-1 with lots of tone and little drive.

I SWEAR I get a better tone than most valve state amps ive played.

IN conclusion, get an od pedal because they are totally badass. NO DIGITECH IMO.
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#26
Quote by i_am_metalhead
New pickups would definitely help - Epiphone stock pickups aren't very good.

Also, playing around with the EQ might help improve your tone a bit.

But it sounds to me like you would benefit from a boost pedal such as a Digitech Bad Monkey.

No kidding. They're really muddy and well... boring sounding. There's nothing special about them. Which is why I'm getting some duncans at some point.
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#27
tighter =/= more saturated. in fact, its kind of the opposite. an OD pedal to use as a clean boost would certainly help, but for now, cut out some bass and boost the mids

Quote by RocknRollRay
i got a marshall mg and a MONSTER TONE out of it by cranking the bass and middle almost all the way, cutting back on the treble a bit, and keeping the presence down. Then I put it through a BOSS sd-1 with lots of tone and little drive.

I SWEAR I get a better tone than most valve state amps ive played.

IN conclusion, get an od pedal because they are totally badass. NO DIGITECH IMO.

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#28
As a final add when youve got new pups and valves etc. Grab an EQ pedal and tweak your tone through that
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#29
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#30
Thanks for all the positive feedback guys. I definitly got a lot of helpful information, aside from the sour fellow who bashed my amp into the ground, ahah. It was expected. Anyways, I don't have a lot of money to spend. I'm getting a new job soon, but even then, I won't be able to completely overhaul the amp.

I think my first priority is going to be changing my pickups. I've been looking up everything from EMGs to blackouts and several other fairly high output pickups for metal playing. Is it worth upgrading the pickups in the Epi LP standard? It costs about 200 to get a EMG 81, 85 (or 60?) set.. Would I have to completely rewire my guitar since it has passive stocks in it? Blah. And do you guys think thats a good approach to improve things?

BTW, I've messed with the EQ more, and I'm getting better at it. Its sounding more and more solid.

Hm, and I may pull two tubes out also. Just so the first two I can sort of mess around with and test different biases on them, and if I **** up, I can replace them with a different two. You take one tube from each side right? Not two in a row?
Last edited by Watterboy at Jan 9, 2009,
#31
Well... I'd say Try some Duncan Full Shreds or Distortions.
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You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
#32
Quote by Watterboy

Hm, and I may pull two tubes out also. Just so the first two I can sort of mess around with and test different biases on them, and if I **** up, I can replace them with a different two. You take one tube from each side right? Not two in a row?



usually, but you might want to check with BeerChurch in teh Bugera User Militia thread.