#1
Would this be the place to get tone advice?

I've been asked to learn "Enter Sandman" (Metallica) by a friend who wants some help playing it so naturally i obliged. Now this may not seem like a problem to many, but i'm a blues man and i like tone!

This is where the problem lies, i know nothing about Heavy Rock/Metal playing or tone really. If i post a quick youtube vid of some heavy tone and some poor playing will you guys give me advice on eq, distortion etc. to get the right tone?

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#3
Quote by Adrian89
bass 7, treble 6 mid 3 gain 7-8 and.. humbuckers


Now humbuckers are where i fall down i suppose!

My single coils sound a bit too bright.
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#4
For metal distortion you want a 'scooped mids' sound. Which is bass and treble high (7-10) and mids low (5-0) adjust these to personal preference. Look in the ultimate settings thread also

EDIT: with single coils make the treble a little less than the bass.
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#7
It doesn't matter at all - you can play the song with whatever tone you want, the amp settings have absolutely no bearing on HOW the song is played.
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#8
Quote by Adrian89
pff..... you cant take another guitar?


Wish i had another guitar, sold my flying V for the precise reason that i didn't use it. It's a bit extraordinary for me to play really heavy stuff.

So scooped mids, slightly increased bass and a relatively ordinary amount of treble?

Gain at about 80 - 90 % on a Mesa Boogie rectifier model? I gave up on using my blues junior it was tooooo bright and i couldn't get anywhere near.

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It doesn't matter at all - you can play the song with whatever tone you want, the amp settings have absolutely no bearing on HOW the song is played.


I know this, i'd just like it to sound right! And i find that if i have the right sort of tone i'm more motivated to play and learn it which considering this song is out of my comfort zone is quite important.

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#9
Just whack the distortion up a bit - Motorhead covered the song and the guitar tone is nothing like the original. You just want enough gain so that the notes will sustain a while if you just hit a chord and let it ring.

You don't want scooped mids, the tone on the Black album is all crunch and crunch comes from midrange.
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Quote by steven seagull
Just whack the distortion up a bit - Motorhead covered the song and the guitar tone is nothing like the original. You just want enough gain so that the notes will sustain a while if you just hit a chord and let it ring.

You don't want scooped mids, the tone on the Black album is all crunch and crunch comes from midrange.


Hmm shall have a go, cheers.

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#11
ya seriously, dont scoop your mids for tallica...were not talkin slipknot here.


but again its all preference. i like my mids right smack dab in the middle...for most applications. when i want a really heavy chuga chuga sound...bridge humbucker and somewhat scooped mids...

i wont go under 3 on the mids tho...personally
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Quote by xXMetal-HeadXx
ya seriously, dont scoop your mids for tallica...were not talkin slipknot here.


but again its all preference. i like my mids right smack dab in the middle...for most applications. when i want a really heavy chuga chuga sound...bridge humbucker and somewhat scooped mids...

i wont go under 3 on the mids tho...personally


Yeah, i've had a play and just dropped them a tad to about 40%, increase the bass to 70% and the highs are at about 50% give a pretty balanced tone when you consider i'm using vintage output single coils!

I've also used a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier amp model, but instead of using the gain stage on the amp model it's running just crunchy, then boosted by a Blues OD. It's got me as close as i want to / am going to get.

Thanks for all of the help and advice guys.

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just google search metallica settings for your gt8


I did but i've lost my midi cable so i can't directly upload them to it and also i find that generally they are very gear specific. I'm sure they sound right on the equipment they were written on but i've never had any great results. It's a shame really.

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'95 Squier Standard Strat

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Yamaha C40

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Jet City JCA20H + JCA24S
Last edited by Madsalty at Jan 8, 2009,