#1
SHOULD I GET THIS?

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=303115X

it is almsot 80$ off the normal price plus there is that 45 satisfaction gaurantee!!

i had decided to just save up for a good acoustic, maybe 600$ or so, and get get like a 50$ pickup.. but... The 3 pickups i always hear about are the LR Baggs M1A and the Fishman infinity matrix, and THIS one that's on sale right now...

Does the LR baggs really give a better sound than the Fishman Rare Earth Blend?

i liked the idea of having a mic...

I kinda wanted that matrix blend, since it was a transducer and I've heard the rare earth pickup kinda sounds electricy, and i need something with a mic cause i want to slap the guitar and use it as percussion.

Ok... so... I've been saving up since christmas, and my birthday is a week from tomorrow..

for my birthday i should get atleast 100-200$

right now i have 245 dollars, and a 150$ gift certificate to musicians friend...

so 395 total...

I was also thinking about getting This http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Takamine-G340SC-Solid-Top-Cutaway-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=516423

Takamine-G340SC acoustic only...

but i've never been able to try it out cause music stores never have it.. i want a pure acoustic guiar... i think you get more for your money buy buying a pure acoustic and installing electrics yourself.


the question is.. do you guys A. Think i could pull off buying the Rare Earth Blend now and still getting the tak.

and B. Would it be worth it sound/ tone wise to get an expensive pickup and cheap acoustic opposed to a more expensive acoustic and cheap pickup?

I've had tons of problems with my ibanez, from fretbuzz, to unbalanced saddle, to th electrics ceasing to work.. and don't wanna go through that again. (last chistmas )
#2
Just get an acoustic-electric. If you're going to spend almost $600 on an acoustic and a pickup, you can get a pretty good acoustic-electric with pretty good electronics for around $600. Try to look for used as well.
#3
Quote by stuey22
Just get an acoustic-electric. If you're going to spend almost $600 on an acoustic and a pickup, you can get a pretty good acoustic-electric with pretty good electronics for around $600. Try to look for used as well.

There is a VAST difference between the electronics that come with an acoustic/electric and professional-quality pickups. I would never spend under $1000 on an acoustic/electric, and I'd never buy one, since they mark up the electronics, anyways. Which means that the electronics they come with are even cheaper than you think.

The Fishman Rare Earth Blend has a very unique sound; it has a tendency to dip into picking up more bass, and, in my opinion, it makes it sound terribly muddied. A lot of people like the sound, though. If you're looking for a Neutral Milk Hotel-style sound, then you can find it here. The LR Baggs M1A is my personal favorite. A great deal of clarity, and it sounds especially good on cedar tops (which the Fishman REB has a bit of trouble with, sometimes).

The LR Baggs isn't without it's problems. Feedback is a bit of an issue on it, the cord is tedious to wrassle with, but it's a compromise I'm willing to deal with.

Honestly, it depends on the sound you are looking for. I'd only ever buy a pickup after playing it on a guitar.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#4
I would not put a $300 pickup on a $300 guitar. You can achieve just as good of results out of a $600 acoustic-electric in my opinion.

Now if you were putting a $300 pickup on a $600 guitar, you'd definitely have something worth doing.

If you're only looking to have around $600 bucks then I would probably go with something like this:

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Masterbilt-DR500ME-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=518106

It's going to sound tons better unplugged than a $300 Takamine with a $300 pickup, and sound probably just as good, possibly better, plugged in because it's simply a much better guitar. The greatest pickup in the world isn't going to make a cheapish acoustic sound good plugged in. The job of a GOOD pickup is to accurately amplify the sound of the guitar it is installed on. Pickups in the $300 price range are GOOD pickups. Putting this on a $300 guitar is going to leave you disappointed because the guitar itself just doesn't sound that good. On a cheaper guitar, you're almost better off with a cheaper pickup that just kinda molds the guitar into the D-35 sound (which is what most cheap pickups do imo).

If you can save up a bit more, try looking for an acoustic-electric in the Alvarez Masterworks series. These are fantastic guitars unplugged and the pickup system they use can be added to. So with one of these you can add a soundhole condenser mike and blend it with the transducer to get your percussive effect. Here are some examples of those guitars:

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Alvarez-Masterworks-Series-MD60C-Dreadnought-AcousticElectric-Cutaway?sku=518842
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Alvarez-Masterworks-Series-MD90C-Dreadnought-AcousticElectric-Cutaway?sku=518837

Of course now if you can save up $1000 to buy one of those Masterworks guitars, you are opening up your budget to a LOT of other great options.

In the end, it comes down to what you need right now. If you can survive a while without a pickup on your acoustic, then I would highly recommend focusing on finding the acoustic guitar you like the absolute best that you can afford. Again, I would look at Alvarez Masterworks and Epiphone Masterbilt at around the $600 mark. If you absolutely have to have a pickup in your guitar right away, then your options are limited. Your best option for about $600 is probably one of the acoustic-electric Epiphone Masterbilt guitars for your best immediate results. Of course, you can always get a really nice pickup and a cheaper guitar and swap that pickup into a nicer guitar down the road when you can afford one.
#5
Quote by redking14ca

the question is.. do you guys A. Think i could pull off buying the Rare Earth Blend now and still getting the tak.

and B. Would it be worth it sound/ tone wise to get an expensive pickup and cheap acoustic opposed to a more expensive acoustic and cheap pickup?

I've had tons of problems with my ibanez, from fretbuzz, to unbalanced saddle, to th electrics ceasing to work.. and don't wanna go through that again. (last chistmas )


Chad and Jim's advice pretty much sums everything up.

From my own perspective, it's always more worthwhile to buy a better guitar and cheaper pickups(if you dont have the money). Why? Because electronics are easy to upgrade. A guitar isn't as cheap to replace, on the other hand.

A good pickup won't make a crappy guitar sound any better. A good pickup is designed to amplify as much of the true sound of the guitar as possible. If you have an "okay" guitar, then a good pickup will just give you an "okay" sound. Pickups(and microphones) aren't magical tools to make you sound better, just louder.
Equipment:
- Art & Lutherie Cedar CW (SOLD! )
- Martin D-16RGT w/ LR Baggs M1 Active Soundhole Pickup
- Seagull 25th Anniversary Flame Maple w/ LR Baggs Micro EQ

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#6
Quote by captivate
A good pickup won't make a crappy guitar sound any better. A good pickup is designed to amplify as much of the true sound of the guitar as possible. If you have an "okay" guitar, then a good pickup will just give you an "okay" sound. Pickups(and microphones) aren't magical tools to make you sound better, just louder.

This is what I was trying to say at some point in my rambling.
#8
Quote by ethan_hanus
just buy a $600 acustic-electric, takes the stress out of it all, the takamine i have sounds just as good as a $2000 martin guitar. and it was only $700. pluged in and not pluged in.

I'm sorry, but I have a very hard time believing that.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#9
Do you guys have any other suggestions for guitars around 500-700$ besides the masterbilt?

If i had a larger budget it would be the obvious choice to buy a better guitar, and i'd probably get a breedlove.
#10
Seagull Maritime Spruce Mini Jumbo.It's got a nice articulate sound and plenty of volume and projection.

You could probably start getting into the Guild GAD series guitars at this price.
Equipment:
- Art & Lutherie Cedar CW (SOLD! )
- Martin D-16RGT w/ LR Baggs M1 Active Soundhole Pickup
- Seagull 25th Anniversary Flame Maple w/ LR Baggs Micro EQ

Have an acoustic guitar? Don't let your guitar dry out! Click here.
#12
I believe jim and captivate answered the whole mic question so, I'll just throw in my 2 cents.

Another option would be to buy a $600 pure acoustic. Are you going to be gigging at all? If you are, you can always set up a microphone a few inches from the soundhole and project that way. Artists do it all the time.

But I would most likely recommend a nice $600 acoustic-electric. For companies I'd say Alvarez, Seagull, Breedlove, Art&Lutherie, Washburn, Takamine, and more that I can't even think of. Go to a local shop and try everything you can in your range.
Last edited by Silverstein14 at Jan 13, 2009,
#13
Quote by captivate
Seagull Maritime Spruce Mini Jumbo.It's got a nice articulate sound and plenty of volume and projection.

You could probably start getting into the Guild GAD series guitars at this price.

Quote by jimtaka
Breedlove isn't a bad choice at around the $700 price point.


Never heard of a guild "gad" i didn't even know they made guilds anymore...

I can't find a decent breedlove for under 1000$ or taylor...

and i don't really want any "mini's"

and i play in a christian band, and for church on sundays, and plan to continue, i was planning on buying a 600$ acoustic and maybe a 50$ pickup.. with tax prolly be over 700 with tax...

but if i find a decent acoustic electric for a decent price that i think sounds and plays well i'll definitely buy it.. just wanted to know what to look for at sac's guitar center.. and the other music stores around there.
#14
I would get a Seagull 25th Anniversary Edition if they're still available.

If not, look at other Seagulls and Takamines. They're my two favorite manufacturers.

Alvarez, Washburn, Breedlove, Epiphone, and more that I can't think of at the time, are all great companies with very, very good reputations of making quality instruments.

Also look for deals on used guitars, as well as damaged/blem items on websites and stores. When I was at the MF clearence center in KC, I found a 25th Anniversary Seagull for around $500. Couldn't find a single thing wrong with it.

Unfortunately I don't have any money, so I couldn't get it
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#15
Quote by redking14ca
Never heard of a guild "gad" i didn't even know they made guilds anymore...

I can't find a decent breedlove for under 1000$ or taylor...

and i don't really want any "mini's"

and i play in a christian band, and for church on sundays, and plan to continue, i was planning on buying a 600$ acoustic and maybe a 50$ pickup.. with tax prolly be over 700 with tax...

but if i find a decent acoustic electric for a decent price that i think sounds and plays well i'll definitely buy it.. just wanted to know what to look for at sac's guitar center.. and the other music stores around there.


The "mini" is misleading. Trust me, the Seagull Mini Jumbo Spruce is still a hand full of guitar. The bouts are just a little bit smaller than a jumbo of today's standards. The guitar is still 5 iches deep. It's a great guitar.
Equipment:
- Art & Lutherie Cedar CW (SOLD! )
- Martin D-16RGT w/ LR Baggs M1 Active Soundhole Pickup
- Seagull 25th Anniversary Flame Maple w/ LR Baggs Micro EQ

Have an acoustic guitar? Don't let your guitar dry out! Click here.
#16
Aright so im going to guitar center soon and i'm gonna especially try out

in the 500-600$ rang

Takamine
Seagull
Alvarez
and guild

and maybe breedlove and taylor, but i don't think they make anything good for under 600$

And at guitar center you said you can talk them down in price?

my main concern is getting the guitar setup - and i'd really like a hardshell case.

I've heard if you're buying a more expensive guitar you can get them to set it up - adjust the nut and saddle height, truss rod, etc. for intonation and playability.

any more advice would be appreciated

I'm planning on going with part of my band, my electric rythm and lead guitarists, since they are more talented and experienced than I am.

Is this a good or bad idea?
#17
It's a fine idea as long as they know what they're talking about when it comes to acoustics. Yes you generally can negotiate prices with the employees at GC who will be happy to just get a commission, yes generally they will set it up for you if you ask, though they won't offer to do it unless you ask. A hardshell case is definitely worth it if you plan on looking after your guitar nicely but I don't think it's realistic to be able to get enough price knocked off a guitar so you can afford a case to go with it and get a free set up too, the employees are only so lenient.
#19
Quote by Silverstein14
Breedlove does make nice stuff under $600. Try them for sure!


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#21
You could buy used if you wanted to. Some used guitars are $100 cheaper just because they are used, but are in the same condition they were when they were brought out of the factory.
Gear:
Gibson Les Paul Studio
Peavey Vypyr 75w
Yamaha FG730S
Peavey Predator
1961 Acoustic Kay
Classical Rhapsody
Zakk Wylde Crybaby Wah Pedal
Boss SD-1
#23
Quote by Zappanator
You could buy used if you wanted to. Some used guitars are $100 cheaper just because they are used, but are in the same condition they were when they were brought out of the factory.


I just really want an in store warranty so I can take it back if anything is wrong with it.. if you're talking about buying used guitars at places like guitar center where they have a warranty, then yeah sure i'd do that...

also scratch 'n dent guitars at musician's friend, but i want to try them out first.
#25
Yeah I meant used from a store like Guitar Center, so you could get a warranty on your guitar.
Gear:
Gibson Les Paul Studio
Peavey Vypyr 75w
Yamaha FG730S
Peavey Predator
1961 Acoustic Kay
Classical Rhapsody
Zakk Wylde Crybaby Wah Pedal
Boss SD-1
#26
Quote by Zappanator
Yeah I meant used from a store like Guitar Center, so you could get a warranty on your guitar.


yeah that's definitely an option...

was also thinking of trading in a warlock deluxe series with EMG 81/85 setup for a mexican made strat.. think they'd do it?
#27
Guitar Center won't give you crap for a trade in. You're better off selling that thing on craigslist and putting that money toward your acoustic.
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