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#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7819230.stm

so isps are going to have to store info on every email sent for a year. this doesnt include email content just who you are emailing.
so with the police hacking computers and this, do you think they are starting to go a bit far?
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#4
They can access phone records and have been able to for ages, it's just the same really.
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#6
It sucks to think that there is no privacy anymore, I don't know what the legal stance is about MSN messenger and stuff????? so many people use things like facebook and myspace, so wether all that is being checked as well. So using facebook or myspace will save the privacy to a certain extent because the emails you recieve saying you have email is from facebook itself, and as only isp's and emaill adresses at this stage are being recorded means the "man" wont know who your messaging. The loss of privacy is something I can bare, but it does not make me accept it. The society is becoming one of a controlled state in this country, but the problem lies with mistakes the government has made elsewhere, if the government learnt from there mistakes there would have not been the need to resort to such drastic measures.
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#7
You don't seem to mind Google or Microsoft doing that, and keeping the content too.
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George Orwell was right, he just got the year wrong.
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#10
You guys are dipshits. All they record is who sent the e-mails, and who they sent it to. Exactly the same as they've been doing with phone calls for years.
#11
The firms will have to store the information and make it available to any public body which makes a lawful request, which could include police, local councils and health authorities.

see.... not just adresses
#12
I don't see why this is such a big deal. Will it really affect any of you? Email has never been secure, and the police aren't really the worst group of people in the world by any means.

If you want to talk to someone, and you don't want anyone to know about it, see them in person in a park or something.


And to the person who thought Myspace and Facebook were more secure than email; you're a huge moron.

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You guys are dipshits. All they record is who sent the e-mails, and who they sent it to. Exactly the same as they've been doing with phone calls for years.



Yeah! And I think they should start doing the same thing with who you send postcards to too. And why not use everybodys cell-phones to locate where they are at the same time. So if a crime is committed they can see who was at the location. And we shall not mention that these criminals whom they think they can catch with this would just have to use simple procedures to avoid detection. So the law serves no purpose at all.
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#15
The problem here is not the saving of e-mails, it's what comes after. The whole situation is based around on how far they can push invading on privacy and civil liberties for the sake of "security from terrorism" and "anti-crime".
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my opinion is that if they have not caught .0010%(for all the emails, including spam) worth of criminals by this effectiveness..... then they should shut it down

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#17
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You guys are dipshits. All they record is who sent the e-mails, and who they sent it to. Exactly the same as they've been doing with phone calls for years.

just because a law already exists doesnt make it right.
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To make it more precise? So nobody is confused and thinks 0.00149
#19
Tbh, I think if there was a conspiracy going on to eradicate our privacy, do you think it'd on BBC?

And c'mon, the LAST media network to tell you, you're being fucked over in the UK WOULD BE THE BBC.
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Tbh, I think if there was a conspiracy going on to eradicate our privacy, do you think it'd on BBC?

And c'mon, the LAST media network to tell you, you're being fucked over in the UK WOULD BE THE BBC.


You should be happy that you've got the bbc instead of CNN and FOX.
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#23
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It sucks to think that there is no privacy anymore, I don't know what the legal stance is about MSN messenger and stuff????? so many people use things like facebook and myspace, so wether all that is being checked as well. So using facebook or myspace will save the privacy to a certain extent because the emails you recieve saying you have email is from facebook itself, and as only isp's and emaill adresses at this stage are being recorded means the "man" wont know who your messaging. The loss of privacy is something I can bare, but it does not make me accept it. The society is becoming one of a controlled state in this country, but the problem lies with mistakes the government has made elsewhere, if the government learnt from there mistakes there would have not been the need to resort to such drastic measures.


Agree
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this.
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#27
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It doesn't really concern me.

They're not saving the content, so who cares?

It kind of concerns me more than they aren't saving the content. It's not that I want them to do that, but without the content what possible use could there be in the data? They'll just know who has been emailing who, but they won't have a clue what about. Without context there is surely no grounds for a warrant to search a person's computer if they are simply connected with a criminal by email - the only way this information could possibly be useful is if the police were able to legally access computers remotely without a warrant. Ah...I see what they did there
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It kind of concerns me more than they aren't saving the content. It's not that I want them to do that, but without the content what possible use could there be in the data? They'll just know who has been emailing who, but they won't have a clue what about. Without context there is surely no grounds for a warrant to search a person's computer if they are simply connected with a criminal by email - the only way this information could possibly be useful is if the police were able to legally access computers remotely without a warrant. Ah...I see what they did there
But if they know who has been contacting a known criminal they can set up further surveilance on those people and figure out what's going on.
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The Home Office insists the data, which does not include e-mails' content, is vital for crime and terror inquiries.
- Internet Service Providers will have to record who sent the email, to whom and when
- The e-mail's content will not be stored


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#30
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But if they know who has been contacting a known criminal they can set up further surveilance on those people and figure out what's going on.
My issue is that if it proves to be more cost-effective the police may use their new powers to perform electronic surveilance on everyone associated with a criminal via email. If they didn't have the power to do this without a warrant I wouldn't be worried, but the two legislations together are taking things too far.
#31
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My issue is that if it proves to be more cost-effective the police may use their new powers to perform electronic surveilance on everyone associated with a criminal via email. If they didn't have the power to do this without a warrant I wouldn't be worried, but the two legislations together are taking things too far.
Yeah, the new police hacking law is a pile of shit.
#32
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So what's the problem?


There's no legislation backing it. This'd be tough call in the commons (all of the tories would appose it and a lot of labour MPs, and of course Lib Dems) and it'd be utterly destroyed in the lords.

Anyway, the government has no business monitoring my communications. I'm a private citizen, I have a right to a private life without someone watching me. Would you want a camera in your living room? Even if all you did is watch TV and eat crisps, it's still invading your privacy.

And that WILL happen if we continue down this route. It's a slippery slope, and the UK is sliding faster than any country on earth.
#33
If I wanted every aspect of my life monitored and controlled I'd move to China, as it happens I don't
#34
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If I wanted every aspect of my life monitored and controlled I'd move to China, as it happens I don't

Pfft, autonomy is overrated.

You never hear anyone from China complain do you?
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I never hear from anyone in China...

Isn't harmonius in like Hong Kong.
Or is it Tokyo?
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#38
It's altogether possible that they've been doing this all along, but now there's a law about it.

To be fair, the Internet is not public domain, nationalised or a free-for-all. It's still set up and maintained by companies, all of which have possession over what they build. ISPs have every right to log their customers' actions, and the police have always been able to demand records from any company. This law just kind of cements that in the case of ISPs.
#39
While I don't agree with this law it is no where near as intrusive as previous ones passed by the government such as the hacking law, the ID card scheme and others such as the extensive questionnaire to be brought in for all those leaving the UK. It will certainly be interesting to see how this affects opinions of labour, and should the conservatives win the next election it will be interesting to see if they scrap this as they have announced they would scrap other costly schemes such as the ID one.
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this only further proves that the united states is the superior country.

No, GTFO, laws passed in the US regarding the internet are very similar to those passed in the UK.
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this only further proves that the united states is the superior country.

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