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#1
seriously.
i dont get the difference between black metal and death metal, melodic black metal and melodic death metal. i was just listening to profugus mortis, which is tagged as melodic black in lastfm, they sound like children of bodom, which is labelled melodic death. im a total metal noob, any help that would make me understand better is appreciated
#2
It's pretty much just in the way they dress.... black metal will usually have crappier vocals though.
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#3
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It's pretty much just in the way they dress.... black metal will usually have crappier vocals though.


No. Incorrect.

Listen to Immortal and then listen to Morbid Angel.

Compare and contrast.
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#4
Real death metal is like Cannibal Corpse, Vader, Morbid Angel and Death.

Real black metal is stuff like Emperor, Immortal, Marduk and Mayhem.

If you listen to it you'll be able to hear a difference. Death metal has a really heavy sound to it and generally uses the death grunts. Black metal isn't as heavy and has a atmospheric feel to it. (I couldn't think of a better word.)

Also, don't trust Lastfm genre labels...

Black Metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvlSTL4FOzg

Death Metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oZ85Sf14-Y&feature=related
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#5
That's because Profugus Mortis aren't black metal.
For melodic black metal listen to Dissection, Vinterland, Sacramentum, and Dawn.
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#6
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It's pretty much just in the way they dress.... black metal will usually have crappier vocals though.

Dear God.....


Ok,

Cannibal Corpse for Death Metal
Emperor for Black Metal
Arch Enemy for Melodic Death Metal
I don't know any Melodic Black Metal bands.


It's mainly the difference between Death and Black....The melodic part is pretty straight forward, it has more melody.
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#7
Lyrics and vocals. Black metal sounds sort of evil while death is straight on brutal... Often black metal use solely minor chord progressions which gives it the characteristic sound.
#8
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Ok,

Cannibal Corpse for Death Metal
Emperor for Black Metal
Arch Enemy for Melodic Death Metal
I don't know any Melodic Black Metal bands.


It's mainly the difference between Death and Black....The melodic part is pretty straight forward, it has more melody.

I always thought cannibal corpse was supposed to be grindcore or something.
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#9
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I don't know any Melodic Black Metal bands.


Vinterland, Azazel, Artefact
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#11
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I always thought cannibal corpse was supposed to be grindcore or something.

What the **** is wrong with you?


EDIT: Oh, I know Artefact
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#12
black metal has higher pitched vocals
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#13
humperdunk doesn't even know metal and he is gonna try to tell someone the difference between genre's. GTFO noob
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#14
imo black metal's lyrics are more about evil fantasy **** like monsters etc. lol
and death metal(i.e. hammer smashed face, i will kill you, **** like that) is more about killing and grosser ****... but thats my opinion and now ill prolly get flamed -.-
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It's pretty much just in the way they dress.... black metal will usually have crappier vocals though.

Funny

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EDIT: This goes for every fail post (all of them, save for maybe 3 or 4) in this thread.

As for the difference, if you don't already know you don't deserve to know.
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#20
lyrics shouldn't really be used to determine the genre of a band.

I guess some genres have a general universal theme to their lyrics but theres always bands that are way off.
#21
my god... such an easy question... such bad answers...


Black metal and Death Metal's intentions are different, for starters. Death Metal is more focused on the music, while Black Metal is more about the ideas behind the music.

For Example: Lots of Death Metal is trying to be "br00tal" while lots of Black Metal is trying to be "kvlt." (Kvlt means a whole range of different things, to the # of views on Myspace to the actions of the band).

Black Metal has "shrieking" vocals, while Death Metal has "grunts," although higher pitched vocals are also used.

Black Metal usually has very very raw production, yet remains atmospheric, giving it another distinguishing quality.

Black Metal: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DgrO9dTy2fU&feature=related
Death Metal: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lJERkL8Qmyg

Melodic Death Metal and Melodic Black Metal are also different in most of the same aspects, except for the production is normally good in both of these genres.

Melodic Black Metal: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_Van5c-ZZ6E
Melodic Death Metal: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BvAm-_sOEvg&feature=related
#22
There's a troll in the dungeon!

Anyways, Death metal is heavier and usually techinically demanding(lots of time signatures), can be extremely fast and focuses more on the instruments. Black metal focuses alot on atmosphere and is generally simpler in instrumentation(song structure is still usually weird though) and uses more tremolo picking. Black metal also tends to have more vocal diversity aswell, IMO.
#23
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lyrics shouldn't really be used to determine the genre of a band.

I guess some genres have a general universal theme to their lyrics but theres always bands that are way off.


I disagree because it does matter in Hardcore, maybe not in metal though i don't know enough of it .

#24
I don't get all the people saying they're basically the same thing. That's basically the equivalent of me saying Jazz and Blues are the same genre.
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I don't get all the people saying they're basically the same thing. That's basically the equivalent of me saying Jazz and Blues are the same genre.

I find it especially hilarious that this whole thread was started by someone new to metal who was merely confused by mislabeling on lastfm, but now it's filled with idiotic statements from people who actually think they know what they're talking about.
#26
Yeah.
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#27
Black Metal is like Slipknot (get the self titled), System of A Down (Steal This Album), and Marilyn Manson (get Holy Wood).

Death Metal is actually more along the lines of Disturbed (the album Stupefy is on), Limp Bizkit (Significant Other), and KoRn (Issues).

Black Metal people put on black and white makeup called "goth paint", masks, and may or may not be Armenian.

Death Metal is just full of assholes.
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#29
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my god... such an easy question... such bad answers...


Black metal and Death Metal's intentions are different, for starters. Death Metal is more focused on the music, while Black Metal is more about the ideas behind the music.

For Example: Lots of Death Metal is trying to be "br00tal" while lots of Black Metal is trying to be "kvlt." (Kvlt means a whole range of different things, to the # of views on Myspace to the actions of the band).

Black Metal has "shrieking" vocals, while Death Metal has "grunts," although higher pitched vocals are also used.

Black Metal usually has very very raw production, yet remains atmospheric, giving it another distinguishing quality.

Black Metal: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DgrO9dTy2fU&feature=related
Death Metal: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lJERkL8Qmyg

Melodic Death Metal and Melodic Black Metal are also different in most of the same aspects, except for the production is normally good in both of these genres.

Melodic Black Metal: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_Van5c-ZZ6E
Melodic Death Metal: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BvAm-_sOEvg&feature=related

Everyone direct your attention to this post.


EDIT: Or Gargamel if anyone remembers that gr1m fr0stb1tten group.
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#30
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Black Metal is like Slipknot (get the self titled), System of A Down (Steal This Album), and Marilyn Manson (get Holy Wood).

Death Metal is actually more along the lines of Disturbed (the album Stupefy is on), Limp Bizkit (Significant Other), and KoRn (Issues).

Black Metal people put on black and white makeup called "goth paint", masks, and may or may not be Armenian.

Death Metal is just full of assholes.

Great post! Good to see someone make a serious one instead of just trolling *cough* The Kreator *cough*

EDIT: I actually still have the cover of Smurf Metal Ist Krieg saved on my computer somewhere.
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EDIT: Or Gargamel if anyone remembers that gr1m fr0stb1tten group.


Smurf Metal Ist Krieg!
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#33
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Great post! Good to see someone make a serious one instead of just trolling *cough* The Kreator *cough*

EDIT: I actually still have the cover of Smurf Metal Ist Krieg saved on my computer somewhere.


Yeah I thought I'd help the poor guy out.

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but someone link me to whatever Smurf Metal Ist Kreig is...now.

edit: Oh lawd
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#34
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I disagree because it does matter in Hardcore, maybe not in metal though i don't know enough of it .


wot? it doesn't matter any more in one genre than it does in another, they just all have their "main themes", or stereotypical topics.
#35
Quote by Firenze
Black Metal is like Slipknot (get the self titled), System of A Down (Steal This Album), and Marilyn Manson (get Holy Wood).

Death Metal is actually more along the lines of Disturbed (the album Stupefy is on), Limp Bizkit (Significant Other), and KoRn (Issues).

Black Metal people put on black and white makeup called "goth paint", masks, and may or may not be Armenian.

Death Metal is just full of assholes.

Everyone else stop trying to be funny, I've found the post of the year.
#36
Quote by humperdunk
I always thought cannibal corpse was supposed to be grindcore or something.


Grindcore is a type of punk... fast, super aggressive punk. Think old Napalm Death, Pig Destroyer, Benumb, Nasum, Swallowing Sh*t, Magrudergrind.
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#37
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#38
Quote by Firenze
Yeah I thought I'd help the poor guy out.

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but someone link me to whatever Smurf Metal Ist Kreig is...now.

edit: Oh lawd



what's the link?
#39
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No. Incorrect.

Listen to Immortal and then listen to Morbid Angel.

Compare and contrast.


This.
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#40
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what's the link?

I posted it.....They were touring with Gr1m Bizkit not long ago.
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