#1
I know this is something that probably only I can answer, but help me out.

What am I looking for in a guitar?

I want a guitar that can cover any and all styles/genres pretty easily.

Sound:

I want something that WON'T sound thin, tinny, brittle etc.
But also wont sound TOO thick or fat, etc. Something right on the line.
Not too bassy, not too trebley, something well-balanced.
Also something that will sound good through any amp (from Marshall MG to most expensive Fenders or Mesas).


Feel:

I like a thin neck, but not as thin as an Ibanez. Something more like an Epiphone, or Godin, or maybe a Fender. As long as these necks arent V-shaped, or something odd like that.

I like a low action, but not like for shredding. I like a low-action for easier chord work, both open and barred, (I'm a rythm player).

I also have a harder than normal attack. I dont bear down on 'em, but I do hit it just a little harder than most people. Something that WON'T sound plinky, snappy, poppy etc. when I play.


Quality:

I want good quality obviously, something that will last 20 yrs at least (as long as I wipe it down occasionally, and normal maintenance, as long as I treat it okay).


Budget:

$300-$700. I know that $300 is kinda low as a starting point, but there's some good guitars for $300. But nice ones at $700.


Well, thank you for reading my wall of text. It would help me out tremendously if you could suggest some good brands and/or models to look into. This will be my next guitar and hopefully one that I will be happy with until my next bout of gear-wanty-ness. So help make sure I make a good choice so I dont get stuck with a stale guitar (Epi Casino, seems mine only sounds good for jazz, and nothing else).

Anyway, help me out?
#2
Best thing I can think of is a Fat Strat (HSS pickup configuration).

But I'm no electric expert.
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#4
Schecter and ESP have some great Guitars for great prices. They all come with great pickups.

I would reccomend one without EMGS for what you want though.
#5
Fat Strat, or Godin Velocity if you can raise your price range a bit.
Strats & Seagulls
#6
I also like the Tele look, but not the sound. Too plinky for me.

I wished Godin made a Tele-style electric.


Speaking of Godin I played a Summit CT today. I tried it at a local shop. Its an amazing guitar. It was wierd though. It was HH, but had a 5-way switch. ??? It also had this push button thing. I thought it was a coil tap, but its not. I couldnt figure out what it was. It was probably a phase-inverter or something. Sadly, it was $1000. Otherwise it was great.


But yeah, a Godin would be nice.

Also, I use heavy amounts of reverb, so something that wont sound thin or brittle when you add tons of reverb.
#7
Quote by neptune1988
I also like the Tele look, but not the sound. Too plinky for me.

I wished Godin made a Tele-style electric.


Speaking of Godin I played a Summit CT today. I tried it at a local shop. Its an amazing guitar. It was wierd though. It was HH, but had a 5-way switch. ??? It also had this push button thing. I thought it was a coil tap, but its not. I couldnt figure out what it was. It was probably a phase-inverter or something. Sadly, it was $1000. Otherwise it was great.


But yeah, a Godin would be nice.

Also, I use heavy amounts of reverb, so something that wont sound thin or brittle when you add tons of reverb.

The "button thing" switches the pickups from active to passive and vice versa, making the guitar very versatile. That also comes on the Velocity, which is a big reason why I recommended it. Godin makes some really great quality guitars. You could probably get the Godin Velocity for about $750 if you shopped around and haggled down the price a bit.
Strats & Seagulls
#8
Ok, take this advice from a 20+ year professional guitar player who has played in front of crowds of ALL sizes, and played through about every piece of gear imaginable. The most important aspect in picking a guitar is feel and vibe. I don't care if it's a $10 garage sale guitar... if it feels right, it is in decent shape, and the neck is straight, then it's the guitar you want to buy. Even if it doesn't look exactly the way you want, you can paint it and make it look the way you want. As for the sound of the thing... figure out what sound you're looking for, find the right pickups and put 'em in there. Yeah, yeah, the wood and other factors do figure into the tone, but not nearly as much as the pick-ups, amps, effects do. So... the bottom line is find a guitar that has the right vibe and feel for you. Find the right pickups, amp, and effects for you. Put it all together, and you will sound the way you want. I cannot tell you exactly which guitar to get, because you'll need to try as many as you can to find "the one".
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#9
20 years for $700.... good luck playa!! closest you will get will be an american fat fender strat.

other than that sounds like a gibson SG
It's all about feel
#10
Godin LG's look neat, so do the Triumph's, I'll try em out tommorow.

There's a local shop that carries alot of Godins, mostly acoustic, but they carry a good variety of electrics also.

Godins are nice. Awesome sound, awesome feel. I'm gonna look into these, as well as Fat Strats. I normally dont like Strats, as the longer side is awkward to me. Too bad Godin doesnt make an SG. That would be sweet!!!
#11
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Godin LG's look neat, so do the Triumph's, I'll try em out tommorow.

There's a local shop that carries alot of Godins, mostly acoustic, but they carry a good variety of electrics also.

Godins are nice. Awesome sound, awesome feel. I'm gonna look into these, as well as Fat Strats. I normally dont like Strats, as the longer side is awkward to me. Too bad Godin doesnt make an SG. That would be sweet!!!

Yeah, see what you like at your local store!

I seem to be recommending a lot of Godin's today.
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#12
Sorry, I have to respond to the guy who said not to get EMG pickups. I'm not sure about EMG humbuckers (because I'm not sure I've ever played through them), but one of my guitars has EMG SAs (Single Active), and they sound as warm and smooth as any other pickups I have. In fact, they are on my current main guitar, and they get "tone from heaven". There seems to be this "anti-EMG" faction out there... people that take every opportunity possible to rip EMGs (probably employees of a rival pickup company). I'm just here to set the record straight... I love mine!
#13
hopespaul, what do you mean 'good luck'?

How long should a $700 guitar last (assuming you take good care of it)?
#14
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Sorry, I have to respond to the guy who said not to get EMG pickups. I'm not sure about EMG humbuckers (because I'm not sure I've ever played through them), but one of my guitars has EMG SAs (Single Active), and they sound as warm and smooth as any other pickups I have. In fact, they are on my current main guitar, and they get "tone from heaven". There seems to be this "anti-EMG" faction out there... people that take every opportunity possible to rip EMGs (probably employees of a rival pickup company). I'm just here to set the record straight... I love mine!


yeah man most people on here only spread around rep instead of talking about serious stuff. they don't work for seymour duncan, they just know about 81/85 and how bad it will sound on a 8 inch speaker, so they will tell you these pickups aren't versatile. what they mean to say is that emg actives are really high output and if you want a really warm sound, a low level guitar with emg actives and crappy wood will not produce that sound.

i might sound bias since i own a gibson sg, but this guitar will fit any style, and you will see people of all tastes use this guitar. maybe you won't find a serious one for 700, so get an american fender fat strat instead
It's all about feel
#15
Hey, if you like the Tele shape but don't want the twang, get the '72 Deluxe Reissue. HH Tele. They sound pretty good. I've played one or two before. The Tele twang comes from the lipstick pup in the neck position.
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#16
Hey, xxBR34KDOWN, tell me a Godin SG wouldnt be ****ing awesome. LOL

God, I wish they made one. My friend has an Epi SG. Nice guitar. Imagine if Godin made one. *drools like a fool*
#17
Quote by neptune1988
hopespaul, what do you mean 'good luck'?

How long should a $700 guitar last (assuming you take good care of it)?


most of the time when guitar companies make budget guitars, they tend to compromise either quality of sound, or reliability. hopefully, if you buy a $700 guitar, you will get the one with cheap knobs, loose nuts, bad pickups, and poor wiring, instead of low quality wood, neck warps, and poor craftsmanship. plus, the factories in china aren't as tightly controlled as those in USA, so the reliability issue will come in play when purchasing a $700 guitar. hopefully you will last 20 years without glue coming undone, neck warping due to exposure to different temperature and sunlight and fretboard cracking due to poor quality, but it's for sure that some wiring will go nuts, the input will loosen up, tuners will start doing their own thing...
It's all about feel
#18
hopespaul, I've noticed a few things on my Epi Casino. Which is probably korean-made.

The input jack comes loose alot. Its not a problem, I just tighten it once about every 2 months. I'm sure if I soldered it tight from the inside. It's not a problem, just a nousance.

Tuners could be a bit better, or I just bang so hard that they come out of tune. ???

So occasionally-loose input, and shifty tuners. Both an easy fix. But I live with it since its more annoyance than actual problem.
#19
Tommorow, I'm going to try:

Fender HH Teles
Godins (namely LG and Triumph)
Schecters
Anything else that may catch my eye
#21
I would also try Fat Strats.

They really are almost exactly what you were talking about in your original post TS
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#22
Well, today I actually did it, I got a chance to go the shop!!!

Here's a list of guitars I tried:

Fender Fat Strat
Fender HH Tele
Godin LG
Godin Triumph
Schecter PT Standard
and another Schecter that had a Firebird type of shape? Forgot what model it was.

I tried all these models through the same amp, a Fender Blues Jr. set to clean EQ'd at:

Bass-5 or 6
Mid- 6 or 7-ish
Treble- 7 or 8
Reverb- 3-6

I know there's discrepency between EQ, but I had to vary it somewhat between guitars.


My findings on the guitars:


First, I tried the Fat Strat as everyone on here was screaming about 'em to me.
I think they sounded ok. Nothing special, but nothing bad either. It was balanced pretty good. The neck made the middle of the back of my palm hurt (on the fret-hand). Also, that longer side was kinda poking me in the chest. It actually made my chest sore after about 10 min.

Second, the HH Tele. Again, no joy. It was heavy as hell, I'm assuming alder is a heavy wood (I've never tried any alder body before). It was still a bit too bright for my tastes, but it does country extremely well.

Thirdly, the Godin LG. It was really good. The weight was a bit much, but with time I think I could get used to it. IDK. It sounded very well balanced. It's an HH configuration, but with a 5-way selector. 1,3, and 5 are normal. 2 and 4 tap the humbuckers, which is cool and versatile. Although the tapped pu's make 'em a bit quieter for some reason. No problem though. Just turn up the amp, or use a volume pedal. The neck felt good, not too thin, not too thick. Just right. Except its not a lacquered neck. I'm used to playing guitars with lacquered/finished necks so... But it only slows me down just a hair.

The Godin Triumph was the same sound, and feel wise, except all 3 single coils, normal 5-way switch. It was good, but I liked the LG better, because the tapped feature.

The Scheters werent that good. I was kinda dissappointed actually. They felt a bit wide for the neck. They sounded okay, but the bass sort of rumbled, even clean and using treble pu.

The Schecter PT I didnt even try because the pu's looked bad. It didnt have a cover, just this wierd type of felt-looking covering over the magnet coil thing. It looked really iffy (I dont know squat about pu's.) But it didnt look right to me. Also, again it was too heavy.


Of all these, I liked the Godins the best. I would be happy with either LG or Triumph, but between the 2, LG is better IMO.
#23
how about PRS SE models?.. i have an SE Standard and it's really good. it's my main guitar right now, HH configuration with 3-way toggle switch.. mahogany body, satin finish, it's kinda light.. it sounds good.. IMHO, it's bass and treble sounds are very balanced..
Gear:

PRS SE Standard
Ibanez AEG8E-NT w/ Seymour Duncan Woody SC
Yupangco Classical Guitar
Korg AX5G
Marshall MG50DFX
Vox Pathfinder 15R
#24
I will try the SE later this week, when I have time. If so, probably the single cut version though. I hate that upper side always hitting me in the chest.

EDIT: Never mind the PRS, the selector switch is too far back IMO. Also, its kinda awkward to have to reach back that far during a song, and risk missing a beat or two.

Also, would an HSH configuration work for what I described in the 1st post, or no?
Last edited by neptune1988 at Jan 13, 2009,
#25
what genres do you play? mostly distorted or mostly cleans?

i had an electric guitar before that had an HSS configuration.. well, the clean was nice and when i go to distortion, i just switch it to the humbucker.. that was what i was doing back then.. single coils for the cleans and humbucker for the distorted ones..
i haven't tried an HSH guitar yet, but if you're wondering how it sounds like, try youtube and search for steve vai's jem.. it may probably help..

by the way, about the switch of the PRS, although it's a bit far, the switching is angled/tilted not like the LP which is vertically straight.. so IMO, it's not that hard to switch between pickups since you can change it while strumming just by flicking it up or down..

here's how it works.. don't mind the drawing.. it's just a rough outline of the body..
Gear:

PRS SE Standard
Ibanez AEG8E-NT w/ Seymour Duncan Woody SC
Yupangco Classical Guitar
Korg AX5G
Marshall MG50DFX
Vox Pathfinder 15R