#1
I noticed at the end of the 'Jump' solo (van halen), the very last note of the solo sounds really nice with the changing chords in the background, is this a jey modulation, or what is it?

How would I, if I was in the key of A minor, playing an a chord, change to the key of B minor.


Maybe you can't do this, but any help is appreciated!

I play guitar by the way
#2
The whole song is in C Major, but the guitar solo is in A#m (C#Major).

It sound so strong cause he hits the G# on the C# bass note, and quickly slides into a G note(which is the laste note) when The C (on the bass) hits for the synth solo.

He follows the chords with 5ths over their respective chords/bass roots to create a very strong ending. I bet he sure knew his theory.

Yes you can modulate, however there's too much involved in modulation for me to reply in 1 post.

You need a strong understanding of the basics of music theory, to understand how you can "break" the rules, and what aurally works popularly well.

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Quote by Nilpferdkoenig
Eddie Van Halen doesn't know theory, he doesn't even know scales.


Lol, he took classical piano lessons. First thing you learn at classical piano lessons is scales.

You can even hear this distinct influence coming back in eruption tapping solo.

His dad was sax/clarinet player and named him after Beethoven.

It's obvious he knows Classical theory, and that this was encouraged to him by his parents from an early age.

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#5
Seriously?
I remeber reading an interview where he said that he didn't know scales and just played what sounded right...
I guess that the classical stuff would make sense, his tapping sometimes has a classical feel to it.
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Quote by Nilpferdkoenig
Seriously?
I remeber reading an interview where he said that he didn't know scales and just played what sounded right...

I guess that the classical stuff would make sense, his tapping sometimes has a classical feel to it.


If you know that much theory it becomes ingrained and becomes second nature, and WOULD feel right lol.
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If you know that much theory it becomes ingrained and becomes second nature, and WOULD feel right lol.


Well, you know, he uses alot of chromatic notes
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Quote by Nilpferdkoenig
Seriously?
I remeber reading an interview where he said that he didn't know scales and just played what sounded right...
I guess that the classical stuff would make sense, his tapping sometimes has a classical feel to it.


He said this also

A guitar is just theoretically built wrong. Each string is an interval of fourths, and then the B string is off. Theoretically, that's not right. If you tune an open A chord in the first position and it's perfectly in tune, and then you hit a barre chord an octave higher, it's out of tune. The B string is always a mother****er to keep in tune all the time! So I have to retune for certain songs. And when I use the Floyd onstage, I have to unclamp it and do it real quick. But with a standard-vibrato guitar, I can tune it while I'm playing.

See bolded text, He made that up? Or it's coincidence he says everything "theoretically" correct?

If he didn't knew theory he'd probably say more along the lines of; "one day I played and I thought if I tune this string a bit higher my chords sounds nicer"

It's obvious he understand his instrument very well. Don't be tricked by his "image" talk.

He's from the 80's, and in the 80's everything was "dreamed up". Romanticised, Sex drugs and rock n' roll.

Noone wanted to hear you knew theory, they wanted to hear cool stuff. They wanted to hear u snorted coke, ****ed a girl and wrote an epic masterpiece when god spoke to you in ur dreams.

Now that's typical 80's talk.

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Quote by Nilpferdkoenig
Eddie Van Halen doesn't know theory, he doesn't even know scales.
No. Just no.
Quote by Nilpferdkoenig
Seriously?
I remeber reading an interview where he said that he didn't know scales and just played what sounded right...
I guess that the classical stuff would make sense, his tapping sometimes has a classical feel to it.
See:
Noone wanted to hear you knew theory, they wanted to hear cool stuff. They wanted to hear u snorted coke, ****ed a girl and wrote an epic masterpiece when god spoke to you in ur dreams.
He'd say anything to make himself seem cooler. He's not even that great.
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Well, you know, he uses alot of chromatic notes
So did Bach, so did Ellington, so did Parker. These guys weren't accidently breaking the rules and they didn't just know the rules, they created the rules.

Stop thinking "playing with theory" means following a million rules and playing perfectly in diatonics.
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not really sure if you could compare bach to eddie....
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not really sure if you could compare bach to eddie....


No one is comparing them.
And why couldn't you?
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it seemed like he was comparing eddie to the real theory masters
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it seemed like he was comparing eddie to the real theory masters


That comparison would be appropriate here.
Demon was taking Nilpferdkoenig's argument to its logical extreme.
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Quote by HenHouse
it seemed like he was comparing eddie to the real theory masters
HAHA, good one.

No.

Bach's work was very chromatic, to the point alot of theorist in his time ignored his work because it disagreed with their own ideas on music. Alot of theorist today use his work to explain why some chromatism sounds great.

Eddie is just your usual hard-rock lead guitarist and is just as "chromatic" as any other hard-rock lead guitarist. Nothing terribly amazing about him. Don't get me wrong, he's amazing, but he's not revolutionary.

Demon was taking Nilpferdkoenig's argument to its logical extreme.
I like that, it's Oxymoronical.
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#16
If it weren't for Eddie or Hendrix, the two most revolutionary players of all time, we'd probably not have much to play as Keef Richards would have played it all by now.
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If it weren't for Eddie or Hendrix, the two most revolutionary players of all time, we'd probably not have much to play as Keef Richards would have played it all by now.


Both were certainly influential, but the idea that modern music would be devoid of worth without them is completely ridiculous. There were and are plenty of musicians every bit as good (and better) than both of them.
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Not devoid of worth but perhaps direction of rock guitar. They certainly put more forward in terms of thinking as well as in terms of expression into music. Yes we did and do still have many fine musicians in the world, but to disregard those two icons? That would be completely ridiculous. There weren't many musicians who redefined music or genre but those two certainly did.

To clarify, my comment of Keith Richards may have played it all was based on humour and humour alone. In that period we had George Harrison, Clapton, Beck and Page who were all blown away by Hendrix and loved him sincerely. They are all brilliant... but didn't quite push borders at the time. I did not mean it to come out that nobody can play, that is just some direction that someone else may have pushed it into
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#19
haha i was listening to this when i saw this thread

Its pretty funky. I don't know the actual guitar solo, but I do know how to play the synth solo

At the end the left hand and the bass plays Bb, A, Ab, G, C, under a Gsus4 arpeggio. This might help you.