#1
hey all,

I was just wondering what you guys would do to totally overhaul an Epi Les Paul, bringing it up to a good standard.
its already had a new jack plug and toggle switch so take them as done.

I was thinking tuners, nut, bridge, wiring, pick ups....thoughts? Suggestions?

Is it worth doing it?

Cheers
#2
i really really doubt it's worth the money because no matter how much money you put in for the hardware it doesn't change the may the guitar was made so it'll still play bad and be worth relatively little

id say just save for a good guitar as in well crafted
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#3
So pretty much your buying a new guitar except the body and neck? >.< Why not buy a new guitar?
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#4
From what I hear, Epi Les Pauls are just as good as Gibson ones. So get some new pickups for it.
#5
i say swap the pickups if you really dislike them and the nut if you really must. everything else is good - tuners, electronics, bridge and tail piece are all worth keeping.
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#6
Quote by jake_the_pake
hey all,

I was just wondering what you guys would do to totally overhaul an Epi Les Paul, bringing it up to a good standard.
its already had a new jack plug and toggle switch so take them as done.

I was thinking tuners, nut, bridge, wiring, pick ups....thoughts? Suggestions?

Is it worth doing it?

Cheers

When did you buy it? Is it brand new?
Let's double check.
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#7
Quote by Dr. House
From what I hear, Epi Les Pauls are just as good as Gibson ones. So get some new pickups for it.

...no. Trust me, they're not. I mean sure you could spend a few hours to set up an epi to play as close to a Gibson as you can, but that can only take you so far... Gibsons are much better, I don't own one myself, but I've played a friend's many times and compared it to his epi, and the Gibson is better by leaps and bounds.

I'd say save up for a new guitar and use that one as a backup...
#8
^Go away. Epis are decent guitars for the money.


Clearly you don't know how to set up a guitar, nor know much about the construction. New Epiphones have better hardware than any of the production line Gibsons, except the new '08 Les Pauls. Gibson LP's, now, have a ridiculous routing pattern. There's barely any wood left in the guitar - it's practically hollow. Some of the Gibsons made in the last 4 years are terrible. Terrible QC these days.
#9
I got it second hand last year, and according to that site it was made in June 2000.
I'm not stupid enough to believe I'm going to be getting a Gibby quality guitar out of this, I'm jsut wondering if its worth the money really. My Guitar tech will do it all for £320, which is more than I paid for the guitar haha - So I might just get a new guitar, then have this as back up, maybe adding parts to it here and there....
#10
Quote by forsaknazrael
^Go away. Epis are decent guitars for the money.


Clearly you don't know how to set up a guitar, nor know much about the construction. New Epiphones have better hardware than any of the production line Gibsons, except the new '08 Les Pauls. Gibson LP's, now, have a ridiculous routing pattern. There's barely any wood left in the guitar - it's practically hollow. Some of the Gibsons made in the last 4 years are terrible. Terrible QC these days.

Well the one I was playing was from '94 so I would guess maybe it had better construction than the newer ones. I never said they weren't decent guitars for the price because they are... I just don't see any reason to overhaul one when you could save the money and buy something better...

I haven't seen an '08 gibson... I think I might have to find one just so I can take it apart to see how crazy the routing is...
#11
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Well the one I was playing was from '94 so I would guess maybe it had better construction than the newer ones. I never said they weren't decent guitars for the price because they are... I just don't see any reason to overhaul one when you could save the money and buy something better...

I haven't seen an '08 gibson... I think I might have to find one just so I can take it apart to see how crazy the routing is...

94 has some good Gibsons.

And they've been doing the routing process they have now for a number of years. There's threads about it, you can find it on here, I know MrFlibble posted the pic at least once.
some upgrades could be made without spending on the money on a Gibson. I don't think the Faded Gibsons are any good, and I don't like the Studios, either. Pretty much, a good Epi (G-400, Casino, Elitist line) will be better than any of lower end Gibsons.

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I got it second hand last year, and according to that site it was made in June 2000.
I'm not stupid enough to believe I'm going to be getting a Gibby quality guitar out of this, I'm jsut wondering if its worth the money really. My Guitar tech will do it all for £320, which is more than I paid for the guitar haha - So I might just get a new guitar, then have this as back up, maybe adding parts to it here and there....

Psh, unless he gives me a list of what he's going to do, I call shenanigans. That's a lot of money, and off the top of my head, I can't see it costing THAT much.
Get some RockMonkeyGuitars.com pickups, a new nut, maybe replace the electronics, get/give it a good setup, and you've got a better guitar already. Definitely haven't spent 300 quid there.
#12
Quote by forsaknazrael
94 has some good Gibsons.

And they've been doing the routing process they have now for a number of years. There's threads about it, you can find it on here, I know MrFlibble posted the pic at least once.
some upgrades could be made without spending on the money on a Gibson. I don't think the Faded Gibsons are any good, and I don't like the Studios, either. Pretty much, a good Epi (G-400, Casino, Elitist line) will be better than any of lower end Gibsons.

I have to say I agree with you... I've played studios and a faded SG, and I was ready to throw it out the window... And the Casino is sexy... I haven't had the chance to play one though which makes me sad.
#14
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^
Just my opinion, and our luck, though. There are people on here who I trust who insist they have good Faded and Studios....so... I'm not sure of the year they have, at the same time.

Oh, I found the routing pattern:

It's the one on the right.

were is all the wood it's all carved out!
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#16
I noticed the stock pickups on my Epi standard were too muddy for me and I went a cheap route and got a GFS Classic II bridge pickup to see how much it would improve my tone. It cleared up my tone a ton. But seeing as you live in the UK I dont know if GF ships there. You can find other pickups anyways. But I am for sure going to replace my nut because my stock plastic one is garbage to say the least. Other than pickups, wiring, nut, I'd say maybe a tonepros bridge but thats pushing it.
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#18
Quote by forsaknazrael
^The new Epis have bridges that are just as good as Tone Pros bridges.

By "new" do you mean the MIC ones (around 2006 and onward)? Cuz i've heard varying stories about them.
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#19
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i really really doubt it's worth the money because no matter how much money you put in for the hardware it doesn't change the may the guitar was made so it'll still play bad and be worth relatively little

id say just save for a good guitar as in well crafted


Don't listen to this guy or any of the other geniuses who are saying that your guitar is made out of feces and will never sound good no matter what.

If the guitar has Grover tuners, they're probably good enough to leave on. If not, throw on some good klusons or grovers. The pickups definitely need to be changed though. Look into some good Duncans, DiMarzios or if you really want to go nuts, some Gibsons.

Making these few changes will leave you with a very, very, very good guitar. I've done just this to both of my Epi's and they both sound nothing short of amazing. And it's not just me saying so, my guitar teacher who's been playing for 35 years did the mods for me and was wild about how both of them sounded.

Seriously, don't discard a beautiful instrument and go buy some pointy Ibanez or Schecter just because these guys say so. Most of them spend more time online than playing.
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#20
^Gibsons pickups aren't that great actually. I'd rather go boutique for that price. Seymour Duncans are just as good.

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By "new" do you mean the MIC ones (around 2006 and onward)? Cuz i've heard varying stories about them.

AFAIK, they were just added in 2008, maybe late 2007. Not sure. I'd have to look at my email.
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#21
I have an LP-100, which I acquired with a broken neck. After inspecting it, I was glad I didn't pay for a whole one. The neck was absolutely awful quality. So I replaced the neck and bridge, which was useless except as a paperweight, as well as the pup switch, which was worn out and gave it a good setup. It plays pretty good now. It's as good as any Epi LP Standard I've played, except in the looks. It needs binding. I also need to replace the tuners. They work, but that's it.
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#22
what music do you like/ play? That will help us out in that section,
Give that guitar a full makeover....
New pickups,
New electronics (push pull coil split/ tap etc)
New tuners (if you dont like the ones you got on there)
New nut, graphite or something. Bone is good though
New paint job if you want
Sand the back of the neck and put some satin over it
And to finish it up give that guitar a nice clean over with naptha and give it the setup it deserves

Dont get your tech to do it, do it all yourself, get some experience, its really not all that hard.
#23
New Pickups & pots/caps, ect.
New Nut (Bone or Graphite).
New Saddles.
New Tuners.

A Floyd Rose unit if your sacreligious like me.

Pro set-up, fret file/polish, ect.
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#24
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^Gibsons pickups aren't that great actually. I'd rather go boutique for that price. Seymour Duncans are just as good.


Based on what? You're going to sit there and tell me that BurstBuckers or 57 Classics or 490R/498Ts aren't great? What are you deaf or something?

Obviously a lot comes down to preference, but if you honestly believe that Gibson pickups aren't that great you might need your hearing checked. For real.
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#25
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Based on what? You're going to sit there and tell me that BurstBuckers or 57 Classics or 490R/498Ts aren't great? What are you deaf or something?

Obviously a lot comes down to preference, but if you honestly believe that Gibson pickups aren't that great you might need your hearing checked. For real.

Burstbuckers are average, don't have enough punch, '57 Classics are essentially Alnico II pros, but more expensive. And the 490R and 498T are just hot Alnico 5 pickups. That are all expensive.

Basically, they're not worth the money. I'm not deaf, and perhaps, it's you who should get their head checked.

Gibson pickups are nothing amazing, you're simply enamored by their name. They are comparable to Seymour Duncan pickups in tone; ergo, why not spend less and buy Duncans?
Or, spend the same amount, and get boutique pickups like Lollar, Rock Monkey Guitars, BKP, Stephens Designs...Something that will costs around the same amount but sound better.
#26
Or perhaps I'm enamored with their sound, seeing as I have a guitar equipped with two Duncans and a guitar equipped with two Gibsons, and the Gibsons sound sweeter. To me at least.
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#28
haha dude you're damn picky arent you? oh well. different strokes for different folks. we'll just have to agree to disagree.

although i do agree on the 59 being brighter. but i like them both in different ways. the warmth of the 57 classic complements the natural bass response of the hollowbody nicely, and the brightness of the 59 complements the mostly solid lp nicely too.

oh yea and im curious as to why the JB sucks?
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#29
It doesn't really do anything well, IMO. Fairly trebley, can sound thin in the wrong guitars, again, a bit too hot for my tastes. For an Alnico 5 pickup, it's strangely missing the bite I like.

It's a fairly overrated pickup.

I agree with you, the '59 is a nice complement to an LP. The neck position can sound muddy and too warm, so a brighter pickup is a good choice, IMO.
For semi-hollows, the Casino is what does it for me.
#30
Dude, don't mess with you guitar too much.
The pots are fine, and the tuners should be great. the ones on my epi LP came with stock grovers, but I dunno if all Epiphones do. The bridge should be as good as mine is, (AKA, awesome).
A couple new humbuckers is all you really need. And why did you go to Guitarfetish if you were thinking about buying SDs?? I mean, really, you might as well save your money and get something really good....
#31
On mine, I changed the tuners, the pickups and the toggle switch. I did a few other cosmetic things too; basically the pickup rings, jack plate, covers and toggle switch surround; I wanted rid of all the cream.
Then finally a proper setup. It now plays and sounds MUCH better than it did before and the tuning stability is fantastic.

Plus it didn't actually cost that much.

Do it, just don't overdo it.
#32
get bare knuckles.
thinking of getting warpigs/nailbombs for mine.
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