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wooo best school assignment evar! so my actual project is learning advanced guitar playing techniques, such as sweeping, eight-fingered tap, sweep tap, soloing, and actually sitting down and learning theory. so far it's coming along great; I'm a chick guitarist that's been playing for only 2 years and I can now play some difficult licks, my latest accomplishment is learning the entire lead to "Kill the Idealist" by Kalmah. not bad eh? I"m still sloppy as **** but I'll get better.

ANYWAY my research paper is "Why metal is an often unappreciated form of music" ... I already proved that metal does not cause aggression and that aggression is the common side product of adolescence, not music, and I have also researched psychological **** to back up other behavioral facts. Right now, I'm arguing that metal actually IS music, and can be very complicated both intellectually (depending on lyrics) and theoretically, and how closely it is related to Classical music.

but I can't find any real sources to back me up on that... only one I found was one stating that Classical fans and Metalheads have near identical personality traits. My brain is totally fried from Trig homework, SAT prep, and all the research I just crammed in the last 4 hours.. HELP PIT!!

thx. oh and any other arguments you can advise me to make as to why metal SHOULD be appreciated would also help a lot.
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#2
Good luck.

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#4
Simple.

Anything that makes sound or has a beat is considered music.
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#5
I'm so jealous of those schools with guitar music classes ...........

I really can't get how metal is related to classical, but it'd be an interesting argument, if you can support it well..
#6
Compare the similar melodies between classical and metal. Maybe talk about neo-classical and shred.

I always thought metal was disliked because the melodies are usually diminished or chromatic, whereas people are used to music with melodies based on the major scale or the aeolian mode of the major scale.
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^^ I"m self-taught, there are no classes on guitar at my school, and I don't take lessons.


metal is usually looked down upon because it is considered "belching vocals and nothing but noise." while some metal genres ARE nothing but that, I personally love Melodic Death Metal and Melodeth, which offer very very OBVIOUS links to classical music.. what with piano riffs and melodies that are so graceful and beautiful yet heavy and brutal as f*ck. several arpeggio based solos are key theoretical points of classical music.. i just need some sources to back that up. I can talk about it all I want, but with out proof it's nothing but an opinion.

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Compare the similar melodies between classical and metal. Maybe talk about neo-classical and shred.

I always thought metal was disliked because the melodies are usually diminished or chromatic, whereas people are used to music with melodies based on the major scale or the aeolian mode of the major scale.


really? i've never heard of that.. that's interesting
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really? i've never heard of that.. that's interesting


I'm not certain, it's just an observation. Like when most folks start listening to metal they start with poppier, more melodic metal. Very few people I've met just suddenly decide that they like Devourment more than like... Nirvana.
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This sounds like a fairly childish project (forcing it onto the reader) and this is coming from someone who plays in a death metal band...
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I'm not certain, it's just an observation. Like when most folks start listening to metal they start with poppier, more melodic metal. Very few people I've met just suddenly decide that they like Devourment more than like... Nirvana.


interesting. I started out with heavy and thrash metal, became obsessed with underground thrash metal and now am in love with melodic stuff. listening to Norther right now
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interesting. I started out with heavy and thrash metal, became obsessed with underground thrash metal and now am in love with melodic stuff. listening to Norther right now


Then I'm probably wrong. I guess that the people I've known/met haven't provided a good enough sample for me to really make any claims...

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This sounds like a fairly childish project (forcing it onto the reader) and this is coming from someone who plays in a death metal band...



I don't play in a death metal band. I typically don't like death metal, unless it's melodic, which is a completely different sub-genre. the whole point is to prove my opinion on why metal (as a whole) should be a more appreciated form of music.. if you think that's childish then please do enlighten me as to how I can improve my argument. I'm not to shabby of a writer, and can compose beautiful papers, but I need info to back me up.
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This sounds like a fairly childish project (forcing it onto the reader) and this is coming from someone who plays in a death metal band...

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Then I'm probably wrong. I guess that the people I've known/met haven't provided a good enough sample for me to really make any claims...

Disregard my posts.



Nah..
I'll back up the post you made before...
I started off with Nu-Metal, Metalcore/ Deathcore
Later got into Melodic Death Metal
Then some Technical and Brutal
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mmm dam you pit, and your childish answers =\

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I can actually see the resemblance, i think maybe you should include something about time signatures? maybe?
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#18
meh. it happens.

yeah i could... both share time signatures that are either very fast or very slow, and kind of irregular or complicated
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You should really impress them with Metal/Country FUSION



if there is such a thing that doesn't sound like crap, I'd love to hear it
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#22
Dream Theater. That should help you quite a bit. They are progressive metal, have complex song structures, and have an album where each song is written in a different key.

And play Murdertrain a Comin' by Dethklok. Blues Melodeath basically.
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Dream Theater. That should help you quite a bit. They are progressive metal, have complex song structures, and have an album where each song is written in a different key.

And play Murdertrain a Comin' by Dethklok. Blues Melodeath basically.



lol I love Dethklok.. I forgot about that song...

and yeah I just snagged 52gigs of metal from my ex that I'm still sorting through.. I know he has a good chunk of prog metal.. I haven't listened to much of that genre but from what very little I've heard, I like it.

Maiden also has some obvious classical influences.. oh and Apocalyptica.. but I think I"m gonna have to actually break down both classical and metal theoretically and explain with music theory how they are similar.
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#24
Classical influence can also be found in Cliff Burton's playing and Randy Rhodes's playing. Ahhh, i don't think I spelled that right....

I think Cliff's Anesthisia solo has baroque styles in it or something and Randy.... well, it's disputable I guess.
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#25
It is highly related to classical music in that it is loaded with musicians with extreme skill who are just misunderstood in their time, such as many classical composers in earlier centuries that we now appreciate today.
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It is highly related to classical music in that it is loaded with musicians with extreme skill who are just misunderstood in their time, such as many classical composers in earlier centuries that we now appreciate today.


that's an excellent point.. am so writing that down..!

thx
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that's an excellent point.. am so writing that down..!

thx



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#29
just make a poster board with pictures of some marshall full stacks, some brutal guitars here and there, and when you present it, just do what your doing on your sig and scream METALFORLIFE LOLOLOLOL!!!!! and start headbanging.

sorry i dont know **** about theory so i cant help you
#30
as far as i can tell from simple observation: the more complex a genre is, the more you need to "dig in" to start enjoying it. thats why most people start listening to pop and **** but gradually (each at his own speed) switch to more complex things...so only people who are deeply into music ends up listening to progressive technical melodic death bla bla metal...at least in most cases

try researching about that... you may find something useful
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as far as i can tell from simple observation: the more complex a genre is, the more you need to "dig in" to start enjoying it. thats why most people start listening to pop and **** but gradually (each at his own speed) switch to more complex things...so only people who are deeply into music ends up listening to progressive technical melodic death bla bla metal...at least in most cases

try researching about that... you may find something useful


awesome, thank you!
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awesome, thank you!


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Quote by Rad_Sauce, yo
wooo best school assignment evar! so my actual project is learning advanced guitar playing techniques, such as sweeping, eight-fingered tap, sweep tap, soloing, and actually sitting down and learning theory. so far it's coming along great; I'm a chick guitarist that's been playing for only 2 years and I can now play some difficult licks, my latest accomplishment is learning the entire lead to "Kill the Idealist" by Kalmah. not bad eh? I"m still sloppy as **** but I'll get better.

ANYWAY my research paper is "Why metal is an often unappreciated form of music" ... I already proved that metal does not cause aggression and that aggression is the common side product of adolescence, not music, and I have also researched psychological **** to back up other behavioral facts. Right now, I'm arguing that metal actually IS music, and can be very complicated both intellectually (depending on lyrics) and theoretically, and how closely it is related to Classical music.

but I can't find any real sources to back me up on that... only one I found was one stating that Classical fans and Metalheads have near identical personality traits. My brain is totally fried from Trig homework, SAT prep, and all the research I just crammed in the last 4 hours.. HELP PIT!!

thx. oh and any other arguments you can advise me to make as to why metal SHOULD be appreciated would also help a lot.
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#34
Try watching these 2 videos.

Metal: A Headbanger's Journey
Global Metal

Both are directed by and star Sam Dunn (an anthropologist and metalhead). He makes some points in the movie that would greatly aid you in your paper.
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I personally love Melodic Death Metal and Melodeth


You do know theyre the same thing right?
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I'm a chick guitarist


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Chinese Democracy is a great album, people need to get over Slash.

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#38
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I typically don't like death metal, unless it's melodic

You need to change this ASAP.
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You do know theyre the same thing right?


No they aren't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0BoiMojQBs

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOB5pkbQLZ0

Not very alike.
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Why would you need to argue if metal is music? I'm not aware of any scholarly articles that says it isn't....


yeah but there is a stereotype that it isnt real music by alot of pop ***'s out there
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