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Discuss the Monroe Doctrine (this could be a very short-lived thread)


I personally think it's extremely surprising that it held any credibility. The States had no real power at the time to make those kinds of jurisdictions, and if Europe hadn't been so caught up with other things going on, it could have easily counteracted the doctrine.
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Erm....why do we wanna talk about it?
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I'm guessing Europe didnt want to waste time, money, and soldiers fighting off a nation as small as the US was.
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From what I read in my history book ( a whie ago mind you) the u.s. had the british backing them up. It was like a five year old making fun of a person and the person can't do thing to the kid because the kid's gigantic dad is standing right behind him.
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Erm....why do we wanna talk about it?

It affected future events in history, like Manifest Destiny, the Roosevelt Corollary, and the Cold War.. I find that interesting
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from what i remember, it was just an attempt by america to be taken seriously by europe because they were a weak and newly founded nation
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From what I read in my history book ( a whie ago mind you) the u.s. had the british backing them up. It was like a five year old making fun of a person and the person can't do thing to the kid because the kid's gigantic dad is standing right behind him.

Not at all. It was to help stall British power in the area, actually
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I'm simply too lazy to look this up.
I have no idea what it is.
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It affected future events in history, like Manifest Destiny, the Roosevelt Corollary, and the Cold War.. I find that interesting


Not only that, but it was fundamental in America's development.


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I thought this was going to be about Marilyn Monroe.
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Any particular reason to discuss this? What's to discuss? Obviously the nation wasn't well developed at that point, but the imperialism (mainly in South America) was fucked and JQA didn't want others to jump in and fill the holes. I mean, think about it, some statement like this was bound to be announced eventually. The United States didn't intend to leave America open to continuous colonization, imperialism, exploiting colonies for the motherland, claiming land, selling land, etc. for all eternity now did they?
And it went both ways, stating that America would not intervene in Europe or European wars either ( ) . The nation had nothing to back it up, but that didn't matter, because it was successful anyway.

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Not at all. It was to help stall British power in the area, actually

He's sort of correct. The British enforced it for us. It wasn't a formal agreement or treaty or anything, but they certainly did. The doctrine wasn't aimed at the British at all.


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He's sort of correct. The British enforced it for us. It wasn't a formal agreement or treaty or anything, but they certainly did. The doctrine wasn't aimed at the British at all.


Yeah, it was the kind of thing where Americans wanted to be all BAMF and say it themselves because they knew the british would back them up on it
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^I wouldn't say it was that close of a friendship. The War of 1812 wasn't too far in the past. Britain was interested in the general idea of worldwide neutral waters at the time, they didn't really care for us in particular. So at the time it was declared, it was an empty threat, but it just became a mutual interest between US and Britain as time unfolded.


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He's sort of correct. The British enforced it for us. It wasn't a formal agreement or treaty or anything, but they certainly did. The doctrine wasn't aimed at the British at all.

They directly used it against the British in Venezuela

It was certainly aided by enforcement of the British but they were too powerful at the time to care about its possible threat
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#20
We have yet to actually follow through with what the Monroe Doctrine was written for.
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showing off what you learned in history class?

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It was a bold move, to say the least. I don't think Monroe knew exactly what implications that move would have, nor the affect it would have on trans-Atlantic politics.

It helped to create a divided world. Not necessarily in geological terms (such as hemispheres), but in social and political ways. Instead of a unified vision of the world, with one hemisphere being involved with the other, we have one with completely separate spheres of influence. Influences now "cross the Atlantic (or Pacific)" instead of just being a domestic issue. Much in the same way Europeans envisioned Asia for hundreds of years.

Of course, it has failed on several regards, such as the UK Virgin Islands and the Falklands War.

Like I said, a bold move.
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