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#1
well, after much research, i found out i had fell victim to a fake chinese epi white les paul custom which i bought for £275.

Thing is, i like it. I like the way it plays, i like the way it looks. Only i and the keenest eyed guitarist could tell. Pickups dont sound too bad, but was thinking of replacing them anyway.

So, i am torn between sending it back and asking for a full refund, then having to pay an extra £200 for a real epi, or keeping it and maybe replacing the pickups, although the pickups seem authentic anyway, with the epi stamp on the inside of them.

What are your opinions?
What side-effects would having a fake epi produce?
#2
None, really.
If it plays well, keep it.
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#3
As long as you dont go round telling people is real just keep it if you like how it plays.

Although play a real one to make sure the real one doesnt play better.




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#4
Some epi's are made in china anyway so legitimate factory A gets higher margins than illegitimate factory B because of the brand name epiphone is. I wouldn't sweat a fake epi, consider yourself lucky that you got a guitar set up better than the real deal, well epi is hit and miss most of the time...

Oh unless you want to send it back and demand they send you a fake gibson lp custom
I mean if they're going to fake, may as well go whole hog...
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#5
Where did you buy it from? If it was from a shop you could get them in a world of shit for selling you a fake.
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#6
yes there is. No resale value at all but if you are planning to keep it forever then it's all cool
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#8
I read someplace that it's illegal to even own fake guitars, so if there's a chance that someone's going to inspect it (ie, a guy setting it up for you in a shop) and report is as a fake, i'd ask for a refund. Not only that dude, but it might seem fine now- what if like something goes wrong with it due to poor workmanship/materials in the next couple of months or so? You're out of pocket.
#9
Where did you buy it from? Pictures? As for a shop owner reporting you, maybe if it was a Gibson, but they aren't going to take that chance of running off customer(s) and looking like jackasses if it is a fake. That is an incredibly stupid gamble to take in you way you suggested. I don't live there, but I'm pretty sure the UK is not Nazi Germany,
#10
Pics and details of where you bought it would be cool. But anyway I think if it plays well, keep it.
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#11
well , keep it if it plays well, keep it man. I personally don't care too much about the brand, just about the body-style and the quality, if you think it sounds good to you, great !
#12
heres some pics for you guys







As you can see from the last picture, the tuners on the bag of the headstock are clumsily fitted, and the tailpeice is slightly off line but i can do with that and i still think it looks beautufil.

Think you guys convinced me to keep it.

Would it be wise to re-wire the whole thing?
#13
The head stock is the wrong shape...

But if it plays well who cares if it's 'real' or 'fake'. It sure as hell isn't a fake guitar, so if you like it, keep it, play it, love it.

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I read someplace that it's illegal to even own fake guitars, so if there's a chance that someone's going to inspect it (ie, a guy setting it up for you in a shop) and report is as a fake...


This would be absurd. Who would it be reported to? And, any attempt to 'confiscate' it would be theft. I call shenanigans.
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#14
the headstock is mishapen,but other then that it looks nice
i'd keep it
or return it
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#15
You know, the funny thing is that about half the people on this forum (ok maybe not that much) owns fakes and don't know it. That's why I'm not into brand buying anyway. It doesn't matter if it's a fake, if it plays nice and you like it what needs to be genuine?
#16
what do you mean the headstock the wrong shape? its that shape on all 2008 models of customs isnt it?
#17
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Where did you buy it from? If it was from a shop you could get them in a world of shit for selling you a fake.


Maybe you'll actually answer the question this time. If you bought that guitar from a shop, you could get yourself an actual Epiphone as a replacement. I'm pretty sure trading standards would have a few things to say about a shop selling fake guitars.
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#18
idk if its just me, but I would return it if they were selling it as if it was a real epi, thats just wrong. I would return it and buy from someone else.
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#19
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what do you mean the headstock the wrong shape? its that shape on all 2008 models of customs isnt it?


It's the Epiphone headstock shape, but more angular. It's not very dramatic, but I own an Epi too, so it's noticeable to me.
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#20
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idk if its just me, but I would return it if they were selling it as if it was a real epi, thats just wrong. I would return it and buy from someone else.


I agree with you, if you bought it used or something there prob isn't much you can do but if you're absolutely sure it's fake return it with initial proof of purchase etc
#22
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Is it the angle that the picture is at or is the body misshapen as well?

Personally i wouldn't keep a fake guitar but if you like it, by all means keep it.


Yeah, It looks a little misshapen the body right at the curves is pretty narrow, kinda anorexic looking
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#23
here's how you can clearly tell it was made in china... there's a sticker on the back that says "crafted in china." you don't have to look closely at the tuners or realize that the bridge is off-line...
#24
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Maybe you'll actually answer the question this time. If you bought that guitar from a shop, you could get yourself an actual Epiphone as a replacement. I'm pretty sure trading standards would have a few things to say about a shop selling fake guitars.


Woah chill!!!
Got it off ebay, if i bought it from a shop i'd obviously be going back and ordering them to give me a real epi. And if they say no, i torch the place.

Here: Ebay link to the guitar i bought

I stupidly threw away the box, but i still have all the documents that come with it.

I cant say im convinced about the headstock, but i'll take your word(s) for it.
I definately cant see the difference in the bodies. Ive googled it and cant see differences in shape.

Still, like i said, cosmetically, i love it. Im just worried about the sound. Ive heard the wood can have a large effect on the tone and sustain, so what are your thoughts?
#25
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here's how you can clearly tell it was made in china... there's a sticker on the back that says "crafted in china." you don't have to look closely at the tuners or realize that the bridge is off-line...


hhmm seems you didnt read my post properly, or know that epiphone and gibson has legit factories in Quagong, China.
#26
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hhmm seems you didnt read my post properly, or know that epiphone and gibson has legit factories in Quagong, China.

oh, i've known, you're just saying that you had to "look carefully" for these flaws... I'm just pointing out the sticker...
#27
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oh, i've known, you're just saying that you had to "look carefully" for these flaws... I'm just pointing out the sticker...


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#28
Just take the Made in China sticker off, and it's probably about the same thing. :p
I'm kind of a noob to this, but... how can you tell it's fake?
#29
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#30
guy if they advertised it as a genuine epi, dont you feel a little ripped off? its not the fact that it plays well and you like it, or that its a fake, its the fact that you received a product that you didnt buy. you bought a genuine epi les paul custom right? well did you receive a genuine epi les paul custom? no!

i would be pissed off. it has nothing to do with the brands or fake or real or blah blah blah. its the fact that you thought you were buying one thing and got another.

if they advertised it as a replica epi les paul, would you have bought it? maybe, but i bet you were more interested because it was a genuine les paul, not a copy.
#31
i got a friend and a band mate who have epiphone custom's and one is here in my basement examining it its got straight tuners and a tail piece the headstock looks identical tho except maybe the binding but that could just be the picture and depending on the year they changed the truss rod cover theirs a few epiphones that say gibson not les paul custom why i'll never no but definatly get a hold of where u bought it and raise hell
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#32
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i got a friend and a band mate who have epiphone custom's and one is here in my basement examining it its got straight tuners and a tail piece the headstock looks identical tho except maybe the binding but that could just be the picture and depending on the year they changed the truss rod cover theirs a few epiphones that say gibson not les paul custom why i'll never no but definatly get a hold of where u bought it and raise hell

seriously dude. you should get a full refund and then some if u ask me for even having to deal with f*ucks like tat
#34
how come before i posted the pics, people were saying "ah just keep it if you like it", now people are saying i should send it back, regardless if i like it??

I understand what metalhead is saying and i completely agree though, although i dont think the guy knows he's selling epi copies. Because he's an ebay seller, what else can i ask from him other than a full refund?

and, so what about the quality of the wood, will that make such a huge difference, even with replacement wiring and pick-ups?
#35
I dont think the same people that told you to keep it are telling you to take it back. just different opinions. I think that if someone is selling a fake lp, they should say its fake. he should have checked if it was real or fake before he sold it...
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#36
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I think that if someone is selling a fake lp, they should say its fake. he should have checked if it was real or fake before he sold it...


mmm good point...
#38
after reading all this i had to enter the serial number from my Epi LP Standard, and it is made in the same place (Qingdao Plant [Epiphone], China).

does this mean mines is a fake too? or are neither of them fake?
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#39
There were subtle grammar mistakes in that listing that were very obvious to me. Clearly written by someone with a minimal understanding of English.
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#40
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after reading all this i had to enter the serial number from my Epi LP Standard, and it is made in the same place (Qingdao Plant [Epiphone], China).

does this mean mines is a fake too? or are neither of them fake?


nah its that mine has a fake serial code.

I'd head over to www.mylespaul.com's forums and check yours though, thats how i found out

have a look at the 'Fake Epiphone Thread' sticky at the top of the epi section and on the last page is my example
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