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#1
Imagine an amp that had all the following:

1. Tube powered.
2. 15 watts, to get good overdrive and not be INSANELY loud.
3. Have a good clean channel.
4. Have a very good gain channel, with presence, deep, contour controls.
5. Master volume.
6. With a footswitch, fx loop, line out for recording, and good default speakers?

and what if this cost around 500 bucks... wouldn't this be the ultimate answer to all the people saying:

"I need a 500 metal tube amp"

Any opinions? Because I have an idea.
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#2
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#7
You won't get overdrive at reasonable volumes with 15 watts, and when you're playing live you might aswell go for 50 watts and you'll have more power.
I don't want a master volume with crunch channels and all that. I just want a single, clean channel and then choose my own OD pedal.
As few knobs as possible, just the treble, mids, bass, presence and volume.
No line out recording, I just put a mic infront of it...

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#8
only 15 watts8|

i don't get out of bed for anything less than 30 watts
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#9
Ohm selector and a built in attenuator with headphone tap would be useful too. You should raise the price a bit as well. Outside of a Bugera, there is not much in the $500-$999 range.
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#10
Quote by Hultan
You won't get overdrive at reasonable volumes with 15 watts, and when you're playing live you might aswell go for 50 watts and you'll have more power.
I don't want a master volume with crunch channels and all that. I just want a single, clean channel and then choose my own OD pedal.
As few knobs as possible, just the treble, mids, bass, presence and volume.
No line out recording, I just put a mic infront of it...

I got it, the Bluesbreaker!


Hmm... I'm liking this a bit more
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#11
More watts + attenuator instead = More win

But we all know this'll never happne anytime soon so pfffft =P
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#12
Traditionally you need no less than a Marshall 50w to get the real tone out of humbuckers. Yes, you can have nice clean sounds but o/d has to be via a circuit below that level. 15w is a bedroom practice amp that won't blast the CD player away. (Used to be record player but we moved on since my bedroom playing days.)
#14
Not even close.

Why?

Because there is no such thing as one size fits all for sound.

I prefer single channel, 50 watt all tube heads for the most part. So no, it would not work for me, at all.
#15
^Exactly. I have one powerful amp for when I need alot of volume, and a small amp when I practise.
There! I won't ever be needing another amp, EVER.
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#16
Quote by sesstreets
Imagine an amp that had all the following:

1. Tube powered.
2. 15 watts, to get good overdrive and not be INSANELY loud.
3. Have a good clean channel.
4. Have a very good gain channel, with presence, deep, contour controls.
5. Master volume.
6. With a footswitch, fx loop, line out for recording, and good default speakers?

and what if this cost around 500 bucks... wouldn't this be the ultimate answer to all the people saying:

"I need a 500 metal tube amp"

Any opinions? Because I have an idea.


No, Clean channel wouldn't have enough headroom/power to stay clean over a loud drummer in a real band setting.
#17
What people tend to forget is the importance of sheer volume in a great guitar tone - no matter how hard you try there's certain qualities that simply can't be replicated at quietly, there's a whole other layer of dynamics that creep in as you hit a certain volume.
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#18
Alright, so lets say we change it to 30 watts? At this point I know a 30 watt tube amp can get DAMN loud.

Maybe 2 power tubes and 4 preamp tubes to get that saturated metal tone people like.

Its not a perfect amp, its just something I think thats missing.

Also, reliability, if it were to exist it would have to NOT USE ****ING CLIPS COUGH BUGERA COUGH COUCH ACK COUGH WHEEZE DIE
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#19
Quote by sesstreets
Alright, so lets say we change it to 30 watts? At this point I know a 30 watt tube amp can get DAMN loud.

Maybe 2 power tubes and 4 preamp tubes to get that saturated metal tone people like.

Its not a perfect amp, its just something I think thats missing.

Also, reliability, if it were to exist it would have to NOT USE ****ING CLIPS COUGH BUGERA COUGH COUCH ACK COUGH WHEEZE DIE


Still wouldnt have the headroom needed for what I play...
#20
50 watts is starting to get into the "damn loud" area =/
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#21
Quote by steven seagull
What people tend to forget is the importance of sheer volume in a great guitar tone - no matter how hard you try there's certain qualities that simply can't be replicated at quietly, there's a whole other layer of dynamics that creep in as you hit a certain volume.



totaly spot on, i know with my Marshall, when i`m alone and playing at 7 or 8 on the volume i get the best tone out of it, it`s great.

i say put the watts to atleast 50 and the built attenuator. oh and a built in noise gate, that`d be sweet...... oh and a lead boost, kinda like combining a Marshall JCM 800 2203KK with a Mode 4 and a THD hotplate.
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Quote by sesstreets
50 watts is starting to get into the "damn loud" area =/


You really need to understand what headroom is and does for each genre of music before you can design the perfect amp... Do some research and it will clear up a few things...
#23
Quote by sesstreets
50 watts is starting to get into the "damn loud" area =/


There is the invention of the volume knob to consider.

My Mesa/Boogie MKIII Simul-Class Coliseum is 180 Watts, and I don't have to play it LOUD to get it to sound great. Just saying...

There are also other tools to use which make things manageable (Load Boxes, attenuators etc...)
#24
I'm thinking of building a amp based on the sovtek mig circuit, but have the added ability to select the mid freq and an extra gain stage tube. The amp would probably be 50w and I would use some pretty high quality parts.
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#25
you've been on the quixotic elixir again

then theres that whole "low wattage amps cant do metal" row

also: you'd have a job keeping 15w clean at volume

i think the bogner alchemist comes pretty close here, OK its not exactly $500 but it still sounds fantastic at TV volumes
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#26
Quote by sesstreets
Alright, so lets say we change it to 30 watts? At this point I know a 30 watt tube amp can get DAMN loud.

Maybe 2 power tubes and 4 preamp tubes to get that saturated metal tone people like.

Its not a perfect amp, its just something I think thats missing.

Also, reliability, if it were to exist it would have to NOT USE ****ING CLIPS COUGH BUGERA COUGH COUCH ACK COUGH WHEEZE DIE

What if some of us don't like metal? You'd never guess it from looking around UG, but there are people who don't play metal. At all. No one amp will ever be perfect for more than a small fraction of players.
#27
One size never fits all. It's really just that simple.
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Quote by sesstreets
Alright, so lets say we change it to 30 watts? At this point I know a 30 watt tube amp can get DAMN loud.

Maybe 2 power tubes and 4 preamp tubes to get that saturated metal tone people like.

Its not a perfect amp, its just something I think thats missing.

Also, reliability, if it were to exist it would have to NOT USE ****ING CLIPS COUGH BUGERA COUGH COUCH ACK COUGH WHEEZE DIE


Something I've been pondering...

Isn't Bugera the panther in the Jungle Book?
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Something I've been pondering...

Isn't Bugera the panther in the Jungle Book?

thats Bagheera
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thats Bagheera


And I'm pretty sure he's a bassist so he won't want your amp anyway.
#33
Im all with sesstreets regarding wattage. Maybe 20-30 at most would be more perfect. At least for me my 20 watt marshall head has all the headroom I could ever need and then some, only I can get some very very nice breakup at usable volumes. Still very loud, but Im able to crank it most places I play( at which point anyone in the room feels the rumble in their entire body). I really dont know why people say you need more, unless were talking metal only here. And to whoever said he had the bluesbreaker. Thats 30 watts? Or did I misunderstand something.

I've had several 50watt heads in the past, and really I sold them off quite quickly as I was never able to get them near their sweet spots anywhere I play.
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#34
i guess krank attempted this with the rev jr, but unfortunately, krank amps are expensive as all hell.
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#35
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i guess krank attempted this with the rev jr, but unfortunately, krank amps are expensive as all hell.


They're also kinda lame
#36
Quote by steven seagull
What people tend to forget is the importance of sheer volume in a great guitar tone - no matter how hard you try there's certain qualities that simply can't be replicated at quietly, there's a whole other layer of dynamics that creep in as you hit a certain volume.


yeah, definitely.
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#37
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They're also kinda lame


i dont get why kranks are bashed on so much, id take one over a lot of other high-gain amps i tried that were more expensive
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#38
mmm... thats hard to achieve, i mean to get a 500 U$S amp like that
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#39
Quote by Ddjembe Mutombo
I'm thinking of building a amp based on the sovtek mig circuit, but have the added ability to select the mid freq and an extra gain stage tube. The amp would probably be 50w and I would use some pretty high quality parts.



You do realize that it's basically a JCM800, right?

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#40
Quote by nutinpwnsgibson
i dont get why kranks are bashed on so much, id take one over a lot of other high-gain amps i tried that were more expensive


I bash them because I've used them, and thought they were lame.
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