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#3
So like a Marshall but with less reliability? Sounds fail to me.
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#4
They are fairly nice.

Do they make a Mesa/Boogie Dual rectifier copy?

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#5
I'm fairly excited about these. Sure enough the Bugera reliability is questionable, but for the price of most Bugera's, it seems like a good option for people who want a Marshall clone/re-issue but don't want to spend the money on a hand-wired clone from companies like Ceriatone, or to pay for Marshall's re-issues.
#6
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I'm fairly excited about these. Sure enough the Bugera reliability is questionable, but for the price of most Bugera's, it seems like a good option for people who want a Marshall clone/re-issue but don't want to spend the money on a hand-wired clone from companies like Ceriatone, or to pay for Marshall's re-issues.


ceriatone's pretty cheap imo, dont think these will be THAT cheap in comparison, prob same price as 6260
#7
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They are fairly nice.

Do they make a Mesa/Boogie Dual rectifier copy?

Iheard they were considering it, but for now its jusy marshalls and peaveys
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#8
This is an interesting development.
I want the JCM clone badly!
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#9
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ceriatone's pretty cheap imo, dont think these will be THAT cheap in comparison, prob same price as 6260


Ah yeah, it's Metropoulus that do the more expensive clones. And Splawn do some too.

I think a JCM800 clone is needed.
#10
So.... they make the poor man's Peaveys, which are already the poor man's Marshall.

And now they're making their own version of a poor man's Marshall?

I'm dying to see a gutshot and/or schematic of this.
#11
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Iheard they were considering it, but for now its jusy marshalls and peaveys


Awww

Maybe in the future hopefully

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#12
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So.... they make the poor man's Peaveys, which are already the poor man's Marshall.

And now they're making their own version of a poor man's Marshall?

I'm dying to see a gutshot and/or schematic of this.



Since when has Peavey been a poor mans Marshall? They're voiced completely differently.
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#13
Quote by al112987
So.... they make the poor man's Peaveys, which are already the poor man's Marshall.

And now they're making their own version of a poor man's Marshall?

I'm dying to see a gutshot and/or schematic of this.

Peaveys are pretty much the opposite of marshalls
straight up american Vs. british Voicings
the windsors a knockoff marshall, but bugera doesnt have a clone of that
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#14
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Since when has Peavey been a poor mans Marshall? They're voiced completely differently.


Uh... since they were released. They were released as affordable alternatives to Marshalls and Mesas, especially during the 80s with amps like the VTMs. I'm not bashing Peaveys, they are great workhorse amps that sound good and are affordable.
#15
peavey Originaly made copy's of marshall if I remember corectly
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#16
Well peavey already showed the world the 6505+ 112 combo, it is peavey's only amp that could compete with the peavey based bugera amps in the below the $1000 price range.
i would like to see marshall building an affordable tube amp that could compete with bugera's marshall clones.
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Well peavey already showed the world the 6505+ 112 combo, it is peavey's only amp that could compete with the peavey based bugera amps in the below the $1000 price range.
i would like to see marshall building an affordable tube amp that could compete with bugera's marshall clones.


+1
I would love a cheap EL34 1x12 combo capable of JCM 800 tones. But under £500.
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#18
well get a Laney AOR then it's a JCM800 for less than 450 USD
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#19
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+1
I would love a cheap EL34 1x12 combo capable of JCM 800 tones. But under £500.


You can get some real bargains on ebay.
My 50w 2x12 JCM800 combo was £251!

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#20
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+1
I would love a cheap EL34 1x12 combo capable of JCM 800 tones. But under £500.


Laney AOR

#21
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You can get some real bargains on ebay.
My 50w 2x12 JCM800 combo was £251!




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But, if I wanted to buy one, I'd have to wait ages for one to appear on ebay. Bit of a problem.
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#22
I'm optimistic about these.
I'm just hoping that Bugera bothered to improve the QC.
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#23
they're on ebay normally


I have one, what do you want to pay for it
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#24
I hope Bugera smooths out it's QC with these, but otherwise an AOR or real JCM 800 would be your best bet.
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#25
I posted some new info I found on these over in the Bugera Users Militia thread, check it out.
#26
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well get a Laney AOR then it's a JCM800 for less than 450 USD

There's a combo on my CL for $125 right now, I really want it, but they still haven't emailed me back
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#30
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Thanks for the link with specs.

If its under 500$ and Has tight qc then Then it looks like its a war between the 6505 1x12 and this for my money.
BTW what is the estimated price?
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#31
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If its under 500$ and Has tight qc then Then it looks like its a war between the 6505 1x12 and this for my money.
BTW what is the estimated price?
No definite price yet.
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#32
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No definite price yet.

People who have supposedly already ordered it, said it's $550.
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#33
Btw to those of you hysterical about getting jcm800 copies, its easy to make them out of typical 15 watt tube amps(like laney lc15, vc15, crate v18, classic 20). Just a few components needed to replace and the schematic will be nearly identical(save for the output tubes). Much cheaper than buying a bugera, unless your time costs 200$ an hour
#34
Quote by al112987
Uh... since they were released. They were released as affordable alternatives to Marshalls and Mesas, especially during the 80s with amps like the VTMs. I'm not bashing Peaveys, they are great workhorse amps that sound good and are affordable.


Very true. Peavey used be a pretty crap company back in the day.
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#35
I thought the 5150 was actually a copy of a Soldano SLO which was a copy of the Marshall.

I don't consider a 5150 British voiced either. Hot rodded plexi maybe. Hell, what do I know. I don't think I will be buying any Bugeras, that I do know.
#36
peavey poor mans marshall? marshalls are not that cheap then in america. they are similarily priced here in australia.

i can see a place in music for bugera. their chinese copies are not great, but they are better than my first practice amp. they should make smaller tube amps for beginners.
#37
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I thought the 5150 was actually a copy of a Soldano SLO which was a copy of the Marshall.

I don't consider a 5150 British voiced either. Hot rodded plexi maybe. Hell, what do I know. I don't think I will be buying any Bugeras, that I do know.

soldano slo is basically a heavily modded super lead head.
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#38
Everything is overpriced in Australia, but Peaveys were first made in the USA as cheaper alternatives to Marshalls and Mesa Boogies that were so popular in the 80s and 90s, thus amps like the VTMs, Ultras, etc. etc. Even now, Peavey is still significantly cheaper than Marshalls or Mesas or whatever other high end brand out there, the most expensive Peavey I can think of (JSX) is still under $1500. The entire point of Peavey is to have quality gear at affordable prices.

And again, I'm not bashing Peavey or saying that they're second rate or anything, there is nothing wrong with making more affordable tube amps as long as the quality still stands in which it does with the case of Peavey. Ultras, VTMs, 5150s, etc. are all good amps. Bugera is pushing the envelope even further and going from "affordable" to just downright "cheap."

People need to realize that you can only skimp out on costs for so long before it starts affecting quality, whether in components and/or in build. A good set of transformers for a 100 watt Marshall clone alone costs 50% of the price that Bugera is charging for these amps. I think that tells you something...
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#39
Quote by al112987
People need to realize that you can only skimp out on costs for so long before it starts affecting quality, whether in components and/or in build. A good set of transformers for a 100 watt Marshall clone alone costs 50% of the price that Bugera is charging for these amps. I think that tells you something...


Economies of scale will account for some of those costs. Obviously they are going to be lower quality, but the price of buying in bulk will push down their costs hugely.
#40
Quote by edge11
If its under 500$ and Has tight qc then Then it looks like its a war between the 6505 1x12 and this for my money.
BTW what is the estimated price?

Bugera's tight QC is YOU: You have to check for loose connections, bad tubes, and whatever else happens to those amps.
And I don't see why you are choosing between the 6505+ 112 or a Marshall clone. Both amps are quite different...

EDIT: I think it was a good move for Bugera to make a JCM 900 copy; there's plenty of them used, but not everyone uses ebay/craigslist to buy gear.
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