#2
That's a ridiculously vague question that borders on unanswerable.
Any of them. Read the theory sticky and learn how they're constructed.
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#3
you cant use scales really... use chord shapes, for instance:

E------------3---
B----------3-----
G--------4-------
D------5---------
A----5-----------
E--3-------------

although yeah, i agree with the above statement - youre being far too vague. just find some chords you like the sound of, (barres rather than open chords), and theyre pretty much gonna sound the same, except appregiated, when you sweep them.
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#4
you cant use scales really


Why can't you? Most of my sweep picking is scalar.
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#5
You can " sweep scales"

Sweep is a technique, and technique and theory are completely separate entities.

if you sweep, tap, pick, lick, blow an A7 chord, it will still be an A7 chord. The technique is just for aural pleasing and interest.

I dislike sweeping, cause it sounds too 80's most of the time.

1 of the only true good sweepers I know of is frank gambale, who actually makes a good use of it.

Most other people that sweep do it for lulz.

That being said, I haven't heard everyone, so if anyone has a good example of interesting non wank sweeping please post (and I don't mean small 3 note per string like sweeps to go into notes, I mean actual sweep playing melodies etc.)

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#6
yea you don't really use scales for sweeping you can use the CAGED method and you can use chord shapes. I honestly don't think scales and sweeping are related. And don't ask me about the CAGED method because its confusing.
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#7
I honestly don't think scales and sweeping are related.


They're no less related that sweeping and chords.
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#8
you can sweep scales, but it is ridiculously hard to do it in the same sense as arpeggios because it requires having your left and right hand in perfect coordination, and your fretting hand being able to pull off extremely fast legato.

in short, yes, but arpeggios are so much simpler.
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#9
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Why can't you? Most of my sweep picking is scalar.


well i found, when i started sweeping, i couldnt really do more than one-note-per-string. this guy clearly is only starting on the technique, so i dont wanna fry his brains :P

if youre playing scalar stuff at high speed youre better off alternate picking, or a picking technique, rather than a left-right hand fluidity one such as sweeping.
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well i found, when i started sweeping, i couldnt really do more than one-note-per-string. this guy clearly is only starting on the technique, so i dont wanna fry his brains :P

if youre playing scalar stuff at high speed youre better off alternate picking, or a picking technique, rather than a left-right hand fluidity one such as sweeping.



You're never better of. IT totally depend son the sound you're after.

Either that or you want to impress ur friends.

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They're no less related that sweeping and chords.

Yea your probably right. I'm not a master of theory yet because i've only been playing for a year. And if scales are related to chords then all must be related to sweeping i just use chord shapes as a reference to sweeping patterns.
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#12
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well i found, when i started sweeping, i couldnt really do more than one-note-per-string. this guy clearly is only starting on the technique, so i dont wanna fry his brains :P

if youre playing scalar stuff at high speed youre better off alternate picking, or a picking technique, rather than a left-right hand fluidity one such as sweeping.


Again, what does any of this have to do with sweep picking scales?
Here's my secret method for sweep picking scales:

Step 1: Takes notes from scale
Step 2: Put one of them on each string
Step 3: Sweep them
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit
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#13
Sweeping is generally 1 note per string. You can sweep anything with 1 note per string.

If there was 2 notes on every string it wouldn't be sweeping. You can basically do this:

G----------------4-
D------------3-----
A--------2---------
E----1------------- and sweep it. That helped me when starting out.

EDIT: It actually helped me get the right hand technique down. You can go a LOT more advanced with these kind of coordination exercises though.
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If there was 2 notes on every string it wouldn't be sweeping. You can basically do this:


Sweeping describes the picking motion, not the fretting motion. With some well honed legato skill, it would be entirely possible to sweep two notes per string.
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Sweeping describes the picking motion, not the fretting motion. With some well honed legato skill, it would be entirely possible to sweep two notes per string.


So then at what point does it stop being sweeping and start becoming eco picking or a run done with just down picks?
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So then at what point does it stop being sweeping and start becoming eco picking or a run done with just down picks?


Sweeping and Economy picking are the same technique, but used as words in different approaches.

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#17
when you pick a note more than once i assume it stops being sweeping.

*EDIT* - but of course i am not familiar with economy picking vs sweep picking.
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#18
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when you pick a note more than once i assume it stops being sweeping.

*EDIT* - but of course i am not familiar with economy picking vs sweep picking.


Read post ^^

They are the same technique.

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Thanks, i know what sweeping is. It's okay saying with honing legato sweep picking more than one note per string is possible. But then if you were fast enough you could get sweeping effects with 6 note per string runs. You know what i meant. And in any case, i was trying to help clarify sweep picking to a novice, what's the point in being picky?
#20
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Read post ^^

They are the same technique.


They're not, eco picking is a combination of sweeping and alt picking, sweeping is sweeping.
#21
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They're not, eco picking is a combination of sweeping and alt picking, sweeping is sweeping.


the technique is the same.]

the actual technique going from 1 string to another in fluid motion. It maybe different in approach like I said, but the technique is the same.

EDIT:

Hence the name ECONOMY picking, cause it's an economic way of movement.

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#22
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the technique is the same.]

the actual technique going from 1 string to another in fluid motion. It maybe different in approach like I said, but the technique is the same.


Oh you mean the actual physical act of going between strings. Gotcha!
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Oh you mean the actual physical act of going between strings. Gotcha!


yes

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yes


Right gotcha. Wasn't trying to be a dick, you quite clearly know more than me, and your playing is better too, just trying to help the TS with his chops!
#25
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You can " sweep scales"

Sweep is a technique, and technique and theory are completely separate entities.

if you sweep, tap, pick, lick, blow an A7 chord, it will still be an A7 chord. The technique is just for aural pleasing and interest.

I dislike sweeping, cause it sounds too 80's most of the time.

1 of the only true good sweepers I know of is frank gambale, who actually makes a good use of it.

Most other people that sweep do it for lulz.

That being said, I haven't heard everyone, so if anyone has a good example of interesting non wank sweeping please post (and I don't mean small 3 note per string like sweeps to go into notes, I mean actual sweep playing melodies etc.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni8KBhnebwE

Watch closely at 1:14.
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That's what I meant with small sweeps. Nothing wrong with a few of those.

I meant like creating an entire passage of sweeps just to make it harder. Jason Becker did it, but I can forgive him because he has a few very cool songs.

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Ah, I meant more to show it in a non-80's metal way.

(At least, I'm pretty sure Chet Atkins didn't play any Poison covers.)
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