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#1
Im so tired of thinking I have aged my pickguard and knobs, only to have it wipe right off that its really getting frustrating. I tried soaking it in coffee and used some walnut stain and it still looks brand new.

has anybody had success or proof of success with any suggested methods?

I prefer something that might actually age it? is there a way to really yellow the plastic without distorting it in heat? UV rays? I just want something that really works, because everything I have found just wipes right off or looks dirty rather than old.
#4
play it a lot for a few years, that should do it
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#5
get a really powerfull yellow light? like halgen lights. light is what ages plastics.
#6
bury it in the ground under loose/moist dirt near plants and stuff, let it stay there for about a month and then wash it off.

you could also just take sandpaper, roughen the surface a lot and then rub dirt all over it, then wash it off
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#7
leave them in the sun for a while? like, a year or something? I was thinking of selotapeing my scratchplate to the window to achieve this effect.
#8
Play the guitar for years? Isn't that how most instruments get aged?
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#9
Buy aged plastic parts, its not expensive. Or you could wait a few years.
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#10
1) Ive sanded it a whole lot already... its really scratched up and was supposed to absorb all that stuff... it didnt

2) I really don't have the patience to be done with my project when I'm 50, so simply playing the guitar isnt gonna work for me

EDIT: also no bs replies... I want answers from people who have actually tried it maybe?
Last edited by purplestrat at Jan 19, 2009,
#11
1) Scuff them with a high-grit sandpaper (say 2000).
2) Put them in a sealed container with coffee (with the grounds) and tobacco (from at least four or five cigarettes).
3) Leave them in there for a day (full 24 hours) under a heat lamp or in the sun.
4) Remove, then coat with brown shoe polish.
5) Leave that to dry for about two hours, remove, then remove the shoe polish with a paper towel.

Ta da.

Edit: This always works for me. I've used it on five relic jobs.
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#12
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1) Ive sanded it a whole lot already... its really scratched up and was supposed to absorb all that stuff... it didnt

2) I really don't have the patience to be done with my project when I'm 50, so simply playing the guitar isnt gonna work for me

Wow.... You just threw some sand paper on there and went to town, eh? Great job ruining a guitar out of lack of better ideas.... What a shame.

Spend less time trying to make the guitar look like you play it, and just play it instead.
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#13
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Wow.... You just threw some sand paper on there and went to town, eh? Great job ruining a guitar out of lack of better ideas.... What a shame.

Spend less time trying to make the guitar look like you play it, and just play it instead.


Like I would experiment on a GOOD guitar? I picked a squire for a reason
#14
Quote by purplestrat
1) Ive sanded it a whole lot already... its really scratched up and was supposed to absorb all that stuff... it didnt

2) I really don't have the patience to be done with my project when I'm 50, so simply playing the guitar isnt gonna work for me

EDIT: also no bs replies... I want answers from people who have actually tried it maybe?

Its a stupid question, what do you expect?
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#15
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Like I would experiment on a GOOD guitar? I picked a squire for a reason

Yeah, and that could've been someone's first guitar who REALLY wanted to learn to actually play them, not just beat them up and make them look used. Not everyone needs a 2,000 dollar guitar to appreciate the craft of playing one. And ruining something is still ruining something.
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#16
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Its a stupid question, what do you expect?

No, it's not. You're just not giving a helpful answer.
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#17
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Yeah, and that could've been someone's first guitar who REALLY wanted to learn to actually play them, not just beat them up and make them look used. Not everyone needs a 2,000 dollar guitar to appreciate the craft of playing one. And ruining something is still ruining something.


Who said Im ruining it? Its what I wanted to do. The question is not if I relic, its HOW I relic.
#18
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Yeah, and that could've been someone's first guitar who REALLY wanted to learn to actually play them, not just beat them up and make them look used. Not everyone needs a 2,000 dollar guitar to appreciate the craft of playing one. And ruining something is still ruining something.

Dadaists would've loved you.

So, you mean to tell me that you never tinker with your guitar, tweak it, alter it, change the sound or the feel? You just blindly play an instrument without knowing every inch and detail of it? This is his guitar, not yours. Stop harassing him for his hobby.
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Dadaists would've loved you.

So, you mean to tell me that you never tinker with your guitar, tweak it, alter it, change the sound or the feel? You just blindly play an instrument without knowing every inch and detail of it? This is his guitar, not yours. Stop harassing him for his hobby.

There's a difference between adjusting truss and fitting parts - replacing trems or routing out cavities for space and installing electronics -

And smashing it with blocks and sanding it, dumping crap all over it and scratching it just to make it look old. Like I said - ruining something is just that.

And since you're making everything specific, this is his discussion. Stop harassing the thread for replying to his question.
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There's a difference between adjusting truss and fitting parts - replacing trems or routing out cavities for space and installing electronics -

And smashing it with blocks and sanding it, dumping crap all over it and scratching it just to make it look old. Like I said - ruining something is just that.

And since you're making everything specific, this is his discussion. Stop harassing the thread for replying to his question.

Seeing as how the topic of the thread was a question looking for an answer (and your input was certainly not an answer to the question) I'll certainly consider it harassment.

You realize that a number of guitarists (including Eddie Van Halen, John Mayer, Eric Clapton) have had a number of "relics" commissioned for them as replacement guitars? Where's the difference?

Furthermore, it's none of your business. If I was to buy hundreds of CDs of Barbara Streisand and light them on fire in my backyard, it's none of your business to tell me that I can't.
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#22
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Do you really have nothing better to do than ruin threads?

So wait - me not telling you what you wanted to hear is ruining your thread?

Alright here we'll remedy this.

Go get some more sandpaper, sand it more in various spots, rub it with some stain and varnish, then put some oil on it and rub it in with a dirty washcloth. Once you're done, take mayonnaise and smear it all over the plastic, let it dry for three days, then clean it off. After that, your guitar will DEFINITELY look like it's been playing in clubs for decades!
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#23
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So wait - me not telling you what you wanted to hear is ruining your thread?

Alright here we'll remedy this.

Go get some more sandpaper, sand it more in various spots, rub it with some stain and varnish, then put some oil on it and rub it in with a dirty washcloth. Once you're done, take mayonnaise and smear it all over the plastic, let it dry for three days, then clean it off. After that, your guitar will DEFINITELY look like it's been playing in clubs for decades!

I've actually already given a real answer that will work, so this is all moot, now.

And I still don't understand why you're getting so aggressive over someone's personal choice. It's not yours to make.

Edit: last post for the day, and this'll probably be on page 10 tomorrow. I've been involved in too many of these anti-relic wars, and I'm getting pretty tired of it.
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Seeing as how the topic of the thread was a question looking for an answer (and your input was certainly not an answer to the question) I'll certainly consider it harassment.

You realize that a number of guitarists (including Eddie Van Halen, John Mayer, Eric Clapton) have had a number of "relics" commissioned for them as replacement guitars? Where's the difference?

Furthermore, it's none of your business. If I was to buy hundreds of CDs of Barbara Streisand and light them on fire in my backyard, it's none of your business to tell me that I can't.

Actually, the moment he posed his question in a public forum, it became the business of anyone who looked at the thread.

And my opinion, which is what he'd asked for, is that it's still not a good idea unless you really know what you're doing. I don't care if it's Jesus himself that wants to relic his old strat - it remains the same to me. If you can't handle opinions, maybe being among people isn't for you.

For the record, you didn't answer his question either - you simple began arguing with me.
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#26
And I'm not aggressive - I'm trying to discuss this with you, but instead of making points ( like you finally did with the licensed relic reissues concept), you're telling me to shut up and it's not my business.
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#27
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See why couldnt you just start off with that?

That was a joke. Putting mayonnaise all over your guitar is only going to make it stink. I'm telling you this because there's a slight chance you might actually try it.

If you want to know how to relic a guitar correctly, you're gonna have to read up on it. It's not as simple as going to a UG forum and just trusting everything you see without question. There are videos you can look up on youtube, as well as instructional pages all over the web.
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#28
Ok, settle down dude.

Are you going to get on every single person on this forum that has relic'd a guitar? Gonna go tell off Otter for doing a relic job that actually even looks authentic?

And furthermore, to touch on something you said earlier, if there is some kid that really wants to learn to play, just because TS bought a Squier doesn't mean that is the only one in existance. The kid can get another one. Squiers are everywhere, in case you haven't noticed.

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#29
Can i also suggest something? When i have looked at guitars people have reliced i have noticed that they do not have any pick scratches, theyve got the worn down area where the pick hits the body but they don't actually have many marks on the worn down area or on the pickups where if you look closely would have plenty of scratches. So it may help to also do some tough pick scratching on it.
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#30
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That was a joke. Putting mayonnaise all over your guitar is only going to make it stink. I'm telling you this because there's a slight chance you might actually try it.

If you want to know how to relic a guitar correctly, you're gonna have to read up on it. It's not as simple as going to a UG forum and just trusting everything you see without question. There are videos you can look up on youtube, as well as instructional pages all over the web.


This is Gear Building & Customizing, you jerk. A forum for people who have and who intend to build and customize gear. If you don't like how TS wants his guitar to look, then deal with it. He's going to build his guitar his way.

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And ruining something is still ruining something.


Your typical relic job doesn't affect playabilty. And looks are subjective, as you utterly fail to realise.
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#31
Quote by strat0blaster
If you want to know how to relic a guitar correctly, you're gonna have to read up on it. It's not as simple as going to a UG forum and just trusting everything you see without question. There are videos you can look up on youtube, as well as instructional pages all over the web.

I thought the whole point of having a Gear Building And Customizing Forum on here was to get advice from other people on this site. The TS asked for advice from people who had reliced their guitars before, not for people to tell him off for doing something on his guitar.

and so this post stays relevant, if you're rusting the metal parts too, then you could try rubbing them/soaking them in a mixture of vinegar and water with a little but of salt mixed in. That'll rust them up quick
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Actually, the moment he posed his question in a public forum, it became the business of anyone who looked at the thread.

And my opinion, which is what he'd asked for, is that it's still not a good idea unless you really know what you're doing. I don't care if it's Jesus himself that wants to relic his old strat - it remains the same to me. If you can't handle opinions, maybe being among people isn't for you.

For the record, you didn't answer his question either - you simple began arguing with me.



Are you joking right now? Is that statement meant to be funny? Because the reality of the situation is that Chad offered a real, effective, reliable solution based on empirical experience and knowledge. His offering is ( surprise ) EXACTLY what the TS asked for.

Remarkably, the TS DID NOT ask for opinions. He expressly asked for no BS, which is what you are cranking out by the truck load. You have offered NO real solution based on proof, rather a conjecture based on sarcasm and ignorance of the relic'ing process.


Nobody here asked you for your opinion, and nobody here wants to know what you think of relic'ing cheap guitars, especially not the TS. He asked for a solution, and you haven't got one. This, like others have stated, is a forum dedicated to MODIFYING INSTRUMENTS, not a forum dedicated to opinions on how NOT to modify instruments.


You seem to be in the wrong place.
#33
I don't think "aging" plastic parts is in the same league as a full on relic where youactually make the guitar looked shagged. I don't get that mentality of wanting a guitar that looks old and knackered - personally I think It's a bit lame, because if you do play your guitar often enough, eventually it does age naturally. But if you just want to get the kind of "Bleach sheen" type white out of the plastic and make it look a little cream coloured I can understand that.

I know the threadstarter said no bs answers, but I was thinking the problem here is the finish is going on top of the plastic rather than into it (I reckon). I'd use a solvent that'll actually dissolve plastic, and mix some really heavy pigmient in with it then leave it to dry maybe. try any stuff like that on the under side of the scratchplate 1st so that if it goes hideously wrong it's not noticable.
#34
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Wow.... You just threw some sand paper on there and went to town, eh? Great job ruining a guitar out of lack of better ideas.... What a shame.

Spend less time trying to make the guitar look like you play it, and just play it instead.


ehh.. you do know that sanding to let it absorb was refferring to a pickguard correct?
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#35
I tried the whole soak in coffee/coffee grounds, soaked 'em for a week with no effect. But what Chad48309 said about his coffee/tobacco/sun/shoe polish cocktail sounds good.
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#36
People, shut up. Seriously. Nobody is going to change anyone else's mind, so quit trying or we'll see how well my dial-up can handle the Report buttons. I am so SICK of seeing this crap EVERY OTHER DAY.

SVStee: your parts may be glazed (are they shiny or kinda matte? Shiny=glazed).

In that case, you'd need to pickle them in muratic acid to remove the glaze. Coinidentally, I just happen to have some...
#37
where exactly do you find muratic acid?
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#39
Turns out I'm not as busy as I thought I was, today.
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I heard that heat helps the coffee do its magic.

It also warps the plastic. I wouldn't recommend this.
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SVStee: your parts may be glazed (are they shiny or kinda matte? Shiny=glazed).

In that case, you'd need to pickle them in muratic acid to remove the glaze. Coinidentally, I just happen to have some..

I forgot about this. Jim is correct, but I think before TS soaks his plastic in acid we should see a picture of what he's working with. If it's the standard Squier parts (knobs, pickguard, etc), then I can tell you for certain that they are not glazed (unless Squier has completely changed their product in the past year).
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I tried the whole soak in coffee/coffee grounds, soaked 'em for a week with no effect. But what Chad48309 said about his coffee/tobacco/sun/shoe polish cocktail sounds good.

Shoe polish is a trick Dan Erlewine came up with (I think) for stubborn plastic that won't get dark enough in coffee/tobacco. The trick is to make sure the surface is scuffed well (like I said, with 2000 grit paper or 0000 steel wool) so that the shoe polish can work its way into the plastic. Once it hardens in those tiny crevices, it'll permanently stain it that color (unless, of course, you sand all the way through that).

Another trick we once used in the shop was UV lights. We had a big UV system setup specifically for "tanning" nitrocellulose lacquer. It also had a good effect on the plastic parts, so we always just put the entire guitar in there, minus the hardware (this way, you'd also have the outline under the pickguard like a real relic). The trick is to keep it on a low setting and just let it run for a long time with a massive fan blowing fresh, cool air through the tunnel. We used to get 2-3 bodies done in days this way (the maple fingerboards looked great). Granted, you might not have access to the same system we did, and power concerns are something to bring up. The machine ended up costing too much in electric bills to run, so we sold it.

If you're really trying to relic the knobs, I'd recommend making sure you clean all the shoe polish out of the crevices, otherwise it'll just look silly. You should also carefully chip out a few pieces from the letters that say "Volume" and "Tone." For the real, full effect, adding a small drop of sulfur from the end of a pin needle into small places immediately corrodes the lettering, turning it into a greenish color, just like it would if it were 20+ years old (note this only works with GOLD lettering, not with black).

Note: for metal parts, I'd recommend etchant solution (BE VERY CARFUL WITH THIS STUFF), but that's a discussion for another day.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#40
muratic acid isn't strong enough to do any damage though, it's barely strong enough to strip the "sheen" or glaze from the plastic.
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