#1
well, i was thinking about upgrading my epiphone les paul. I was wondering if its even worth it though, since its made by an entry level brand.

i don't care what brand is on the headstock, but as to the actual guitar, not hardware or pickups, what makes it inferior?

its has a set neck, mahogany neck, mahogany back, and maple top.
i would assume if i put new tuners, nut, bridge pickup, and pots/output jack and bridge on it would make it alright, or would it be pointless upgrading it.
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#2
Unless you don't like some things on how it is currently, I wouldn't change a thing.

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#3
i like the actual guitar, but the sound it gets when put through an amp just really really suck
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#4
screw tha name on the headstock. my epi lp with upgraded pickups sounds and plays just as good as any gibson iv ever played. 10 years ago i wouldnt be able to say that but times have changed.
#5
Quote by VieNam
i like the actual guitar, but the sound it gets when put through an amp just really really suck


What amp do you have?

Epiphone pickups aren't the best in the world, but if you have a decent amp already then a change on pickups will do well.

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#6
well, thats as much input as i need right there^

probably gonna put in a new bridge pickup, get a new bridge and nut

what i might do is change the wiring to jimmy page wiring, refinish it, and put on a tremolo unit?

also, i got a peavey vypyr 30w... it sounds great with my other guitar, but not good with my epiphone
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#7
Honestly if the sound that your getting out of the guitar to the amp is ****, and youve tweaked the amp endlessly and it still sounds like dick, then replace the pickups, wiring, pots, and knobs. And voila you have a epi that sounds better than a gibson if you get the right pups, for Blues, classic rock, and rock Id recommend SD antiquities. Thatll give you a perfect gibson usa les paul sound. If you like more modern metal, rock, punk, and classic rock, and rock, go with a SD JB for the bridge, and '59 for the neck, just metal, EMGZ?
#8
what amp god-damnit! i have learned the hard way that the actual guitar doesn't really do a HELL OF A LOT to your tone, it is the amp
#9
Yeah, if you got the set mahogany neck, the mahogany body/maple top then its pretty much the same thing as a gibson lp. Wood might be a bit less quality but a pickup upgrade will do a lot more for sound than slightly better wood.
#10
Quote by VieNam
well, thats as much input as i need right there^

probably gonna put in a new bridge pickup, get a new bridge and nut

what i might do is change the wiring to jimmy page wiring, refinish it, and put on a tremolo unit?

also, i got a peavey vypyr 30w... it sounds great with my other guitar, but not good with my epiphone


do not put a trem on a LP, thats not a good idea

toss in some better p/u's and get a better amp - thats all you will need

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#11
Tremolo on a gibson.... if you must do this, please get a bigsby. Please. And why rewire the pups JP style. I understand the concept, I just dont see how it fits in your situation. If you got new pups, the wiring methods that are used to make that pickup will be much better than trying to wire for gibson usa PAF pups when you dont have those pups anyways.
#12
i meant i was gonna get a bigsby by tremolo..

and also, i was thinking about modding my les paul to make it more fun to use which was where jp would go in
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#13
I can't believe I'm only the second person to really say pickups won't do shit through a modelling amp.
There is no two ways about this; pickups will only make a significant difference through a tube amp, or at least a good solid state. Changing them would be a waste of money right now. If your only real complaint is your sound, then you have to save up for a new amp.
#14
...Im going to have to argue with you on that one rock pig. I have a line 6 spider 3 modeling amp, solid state. I have an SD JB in the bridge of one of my guitars. This pickup as you know is very hot, so any effect on the amp is then intensified by the wiring of my pup...as you know. Then I have a Bullet with a generic humbucker, I set up all my guitars for optimum depth of pickup, and that Bullet sounds like muddy hell on the same amp. ANY effect is worsened, reverb, distortion, chorus. ALL of them. I also put an EMG in the same guitar, way better in terms of distortion, but Im sure you get the picture. If youve got Epi pups that arent hot enough to push your modeling amp then yes. That is the first place you wanna go.
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#15
Epiphone les pauls are nice guitars. I tried a stock one through my amp and the sound was fantastic (I use a £250 guitar and a £750 amp, most people would have something the opposite way round). TBH, an amp upgrade is what you need. Changing the pickups and hardware will do nothing for you if your amp is bad. Plus the money you would spend on the ugrades is a substantial chunk towards a decent valve amp. My amp makes any decent guitar sound great (even cheap guitars)
#16
The best modification for sound quality is better pickups and wiring. With that said, if you don't like the sound of your guitar now, you wont like it with new pickups either. When I got new pickups my sound just became more balanced and clear. It didn't magically change my amp.
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#18
Quote by 1010
Yeah, if you got the set mahogany neck, the mahogany body/maple top then its pretty much the same thing as a gibson lp. Wood might be a bit less quality but a pickup upgrade will do a lot more for sound than slightly better wood.


Unless it's an elitist model, it's not really a mahogany body, it's a NATO body (also called "Indonesian mahogany") even though it's not really mahogany. It's similar in tonal qualities as the African mahogany Gibson uses but lacks certain resonant qualities imo. That being said, they're not bad guitars, but they don't sound as good as Gibsons and the quality of wood will always set it apart, even with lower end Gibsons. But again, considering they're half the price, I think it's an ok bargain.

That being said to the TS:

Try new pickups, honestly, don't worry about whether it's "worth it" or not to put it in that guitar, because if you end up upgrading, you can switch the pickups out into a new guitar no problem.
#19
Get new pickups, tone pot's and capacitators for it (0.22 will be more bassy, 0.44 will be more trebly, or so i've been told). the capacitators effect the tone alot so make an educated purchase about them.

Pick ups, well i wouldnt go and purchase some gibson official picks ups for $200 etc, i would purchase some other kind of picks up, maybe GFS or something that is a little cheaper, rewire it all up with new pots and good wiring, then get a new (very solid, good bridge and nut) the better the nut and bridge, the more sustain you'll get and the less time you'll spend tuning etc.
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#20
Quote by Devdude25
Honestly if the sound that your getting out of the guitar to the amp is ****, and youve tweaked the amp endlessly and it still sounds like dick, then replace the pickups, wiring, pots, and knobs. And voila you have a epi that sounds better than a gibson if you get the right pups, for Blues, classic rock, and rock Id recommend SD antiquities. Thatll give you a perfect gibson usa les paul sound. If you like more modern metal, rock, punk, and classic rock, and rock, go with a SD JB for the bridge, and '59 for the neck, just metal, EMGZ?


you only need to swap the pups. not the wiring or pots and especially not the knobs???

do you think gibson go out and buy the best quality wiring and pots they can or do you think they go and find the best deal? hmmmm
Thank you please.
#21
I'd swap the pups, the stock Epiphone ones can be a little muddy, that being said adjusting how low/high they are in comparison to the strings can make a huge difference. If you are going to swap the pups I would get something similar to the Gibson 57 classics. The best LP I ever played was an Epiphone with 57's in it
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#22
Some guy said dont replace the wiring and pot's, if you dont do that, atleast find out what capicator your tone pot's have, 0.22 will make it more bright 0.47 will make it more bassy/ mid and any higher will give you really dark bass tone, with pretty much no highs. Or you could just leave capictator off the tone part, it'll make the tone part useless, but you'll get the true tone from the pick ups, that could be a good/ bad thing
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