#1
is it a good guitar? I've checked the forums and reviews im getting mixed feelings about it. Some say its good others say it has quite a bit of flaws. So is it a good guitar? or is it beter jsut to grab a epiphone les paul?
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Tokai, or Edwards beat any Gibson LP out today, imo. Cheaper, and they're pretty much the same thing.

Gibson LPs are overpriced, and the quality on them is terrible.
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Great neck, nice n light, good tuning stability. Overall a good guitar. I didn't but it cause I generally only buy guitars over a grand now.
#3
I know its not the same i have a gibson les paul standard i love it and i kicks my squier telecasters ass...i was gonna get the studio but got a good deal on the standard...i couldnt fault the quiality of the studio when i tried it out when i considered both guitars.

The epiphone equivalent i would be less inclinded to go with as ive heard stories about the electrics being naff...i got a old epiphone les paul special and the electics went on that... the higher priced models maybe diferent.

I would personally say go try out both and choose the one you prefer.
#5
My local store has one, prolly a year or two old. Used. It's not a horrid sounding guitar, but the feel is, in my opinion, **** awful. My epiphone gothic explorer feels a whole lot better.
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#7
Studios have a 50's neck profile which not everyone likes and less appointments than an LP Standard. QUality of Gibsons varies from guitar to guitar so you need to play it and inspect it to see if you're getting a good one.
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#8
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Tokai, or Edwards beat any Gibson LP out today, imo. Cheaper, and they're pretty much the same thing.

Gibson LPs are overpriced, and the quality on them is terrible.


I just checked the Tokai websitre and a comparable (in materials) guitar is 1000.00 UK pounds or more ! That's like 2000.00 plus here and hardly cheaper! Yes you can get one for 400 Eng Pounds but "basswood" is not as good as mahogany!
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#9
Some of the LP studios I've played have been God aweful, but I have played some great ones. The vintage mahogany ones they have through guitar center are nice. Just make sure you play the one you buy first. Sound and quality usually seems to vary on a per guitar basis, no matter the brand.
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#10
From what i've seen Les Paul Studios can be hit and miss, i think a high end epiphone would be better, Custom or Elitist perhaps
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#11
k thanks for all the current replies. I'm gonna check it out, and try out some of the Les Pauls at the guitar store i go to
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The main thing to bear in mind with the Studio is there's only three reasons why it costs more than an Epiphone LP Standard:
  • It has 'Gibson' on the headstock.
  • It has a thin nitro finish instead of a thicker poly finish.
  • They have to pay American wages rather than Chinese wages, so the basic costs are more which drives the final price up. Of course either way it's still made on an assembly line so don't think just because American people were turning the machines on instead of Chinese people that it will be made any better.


Now of course point #1 makes no difference to tone or playability, and only effects resale value if you ever needed to sell the guitar. Point #2 some people will argue effects tone in a very minor way which most people say they can't hear, and some people will also say it is actually harder to play on a nitro finish, so there you go.
And of course #3 is just a plain pain in the arse.

If it wasn't for those three things, a Studio would actually cost less than an Epiphone LP Standard. In terms of quality, they're about the same on average; some are much better, some are much worse.

To be honest, the smart thing to do is shop for a used Epiphone Elitist, or get a Japanese-made Tokai copy. At the very least, get an Epi LP Standard (or Vintage/Agile/Rally copy of the same quality) rather than spend nearly twice the money on a Gibson Studio just for the name and finish.

And this is coming from a Gibson owner, so hey.
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#13
How about #4....

Gibson les paul studio - mahogany with maple top
Epiphone les paul standard - NATO (or "Indonesian Mahogany") with maple veneer.
#14
And if you can hear the difference with the same pickups, cables, amp, speakers, pedals, etc etc, I'll spend the night with the most obese guy I can find in the local gay bar.
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#15
**** those Les Paul copies, they are not real Les Pauls. They may look and sound like them, but they are not true Les Pauls.

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I heard the Studios aren't the best, but are still okay. A used Epiphone Elitest or Epiphone Les Paul Standard will be better.
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#16
as with any other guitar there are good and bad ones. make sure to try as many as you can and buy which one feels/sounds the best. good luck.
#17
If you find a good one, it'll be a very good guitar.

I've played Epiphone Les Paul Standards and Customs that are better than most Studios, though.

I'd recommend finding a good Epi Standard or Custom and getting new pickups, and maybe a new bridge and nut if you're feeling adventurous.
#18
Go and play the studio if you like it better than the epi then buy the studio, if not buy the epi.
#20
Good epi > Bad Gibson.
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#21
I've tried it and I didn't like it.
It's not worth the money, imho


But you should try it yourself
#22
Ok, i'll make sure i'm going to try out a couple of them before i buy it. Thanks for all the replies
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#23
I do like Studios...I've found several that sound and play very nicely. Just go find one that plays good, and if you really like it, take it.
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#24
I've got one and Im very happy with it. No Epiphone I've ever played has felt or sounded as good.
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#25
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I've got one and Im very happy with it. No Epiphone I've ever played has felt or sounded as good.


Agreed.

The studio gets a lot of bashing around here, and I find a lot of it pretty humorous mainly because most of the people bashing them aren't actually les paul players, nor do they know the more subtle qualities of the LP tone that sets it apart from guitars with cheaper wood. They simply go to a guitar store and pickup a poorly set up studio, play it and determine it's crap, because Gibsons generally come with crap setup from the factory (well, not crap, but they set their guitars up a certain way with the intention for the player to adjust to taste later on because obviously not everyone likes the same setup) and base their opinion on that. But after it's setup, the guitars play and sound great, really not any huge difference (certainly not a $1000 difference) from a standard. Thus I always tend to take opinions on les pauls on this site with a grain of salt. I like this site, but you just can't ask for good advice on les pauls here, you'd have to go somewhere like the LPF to really get great advice from people who really have great experience with entire collections of les pauls.

Only real knock I have against the studio is that they're ugly outside of the transparent wine red finish, and fireburst finishes. And I'm referring primarily to the black and alpine white models. Imo, the wine red and fireburst finishes look great with gold hardware without the binding but the cherry sunbursts, and non-transparent finishes look a little... er, dead. But still sound great.

I mean, if binding is THAT important then, yeah maybe an Epiphone is better.
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#26
The problem with that is that:
  • A Les Paul specialist forum is just as likely to blindly tell you BUY BUY BUY AREN'T THEY ALL PERFECT!!? as a forum like this is to tell you to stay away, and
  • To be honest I've played Standards that weren't worth a Studio's price tag so claiming there's not much difference between a Studio and a Standard isn't helping your cause much.


And I don't think it has to be pointed out that the only people who ever bother to defend Studios are people who own them, while many more people have played them, hated them, and don't mind saying so.

Of course there is just some blind Gibson-bashing anyway, but every brand gets that so you can't really cry sympathy.


Honest to god the only Gibson LP worth a damn are the Custom Shops and even then in all my playing only two out of twenty three Custom Shops have been any good. That's not even 10% of them, and the regular production line Gibsons are even worse on average.



I love my Gibson, I really do. To me, it's flawless. But if you try to sell that Gibsons are good any more than the smallest fraction of the time or if you try to defend Gibson in any way then you might as well be shouting that grass is blue. It's a useless exercise that nobody will buy into and which has sod-all grounds in reality to begin with.
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No, Gibson gets an unwarranted bashing around here. Some of it is deserved, but the more I read it, the more I realize that 90% of the people don't actually know what they're talking about, they're all just re-hashing what they've heard from others. Gibson makes some duds, but they are still good guitars, much more than just "a smallest fraction of the time." And I fully realize that the QC of Gibson's USA division is erratic, and that there are many standards and customs (higher end Gibson USA production line guitars) that are not up to par, which is exactly where most of the people who say studios, specials, etc. all suck compared to "higher end" (ie. standards and customs, not custom shops, but the all mahogany production line customs), when both are subject to the exact same issues with QC. You've been around this site long enough that you should have picked up on the fact that many of the people giving some of the "advice," do not know what they're talking about. It's easy to say "Oh yeah, I played that guitar, it sucks! Don't buy one!" But anyone with experience worth a damn can tell you that buying a guitar is not a simple case of picking a model, it's a case by case basis. Any brand is going to put out some good guitars and some crappy guitars in a single line. But saying "oh don't buy one of those, the QC is terrible" is completely stupid because many of them play amazingly well, and many others play like shit. It's very similar to the old PAF, how everyone will tell you "they're the best pickups ever made!" when half of them sound like someone taking a shit in a tin can.

But during talks of "which les paul" and the ones who say "save up for a standard" have me rollling on the floor.

And my point about the Epiphone is that it's not "almost a Gibson." I've actually owned a 2005 Epiphone les paul standard, I bought it when I started college and wanted to have a guitar with me at school and sold it after about 6-7 months (not because it sucked or anything, more because I couldn't really justify spending the $450 or so I paid for it for a guitar that I just didn't really need) and even with a decent set of pickups in it, it doesn't sound the same, nor does it play the same. It was a decent guitar, but it's not "almost a Gibson" It was just a darker toned guitar that was shaped like a les paul, it didn't have the airy-ness or woody, reedy tone when you bend notes that imo define what a les paul is. Is that subtlety worth the extra $400 or so for a used '90s Gibson les paul studio, well that depends how anal you are about your sound, but it's the difference between a guitar looking like a les paul and one sounding like a les paul.

And as for the people on the LPF being cork sniffing brand whores? Ok, I agree to an extent, but it's irrelevant when the case comes to just talking about les pauls. Do you honestly think that they'll tell you to buy a new les paul standard over an '84 Tokai Love Rock for the same price? Sure they might tell you that ESP or Ibanez guitars suck, but in terms of les pauls, they're all experienced players, and for the most part, they all own a variety of les pauls, both high end and low end, and it's just my opinion, but I'd take their advice on les pauls (again, not all guitars in general) over the opinion of a 15 year old who went to GC and based his opinion on a guitar from the 20 minutes he spent playing a butchered rendition of Sweet child O'Mine on a Peavey 5150. Who's opinion would YOU be taking in this case when it comes to "which les paul should I buy?"

And I don't think it has to be pointed out that the only people who ever bother to defend Studios are people who own them, while many more people have played them, hated them, and don't mind saying so.

Nor do I think it should have to be pointed out that the person who can give you real solid judgement on a guitar is the one who owns it. Which is exactly why I bring up a place like the LPF, so that you're not just getting the people who have owned only a studio as their sole les paul, but multiple les pauls. I know that you're a guy who gives good advice and since you do have experience with owning a higher end instruments, I'll ask YOU this, if you were looking for advice in buying a new les paul, whose advice would you be taking, 10 random kids with variable tastes and experience who have picked up the guitar at GC and hated it, or 3 experienced long time players who own not just the guitar you're after, but many other les pauls as well that they can make comparisons to?
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#28
Thankyou for the great reply. Thanks for mention LPF I'll check it out, and maybe get a bit more info on the Studio. I'm rather convinced that the Gibson LP Studio is a great/good guitar, so I'll just try it out myself at my GC.
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#29
My recommendation is not to go to GC, I'd go find a smaller Gibson dealer in your area, maybe it's coincidence or my bias against GC fooling me, but I've played more lemons in terms of Gibsons (not just studios, but guitars from les paul juniors all the way to VOS custom art and historics) at GC than anywhere else. I've had much higher success with smaller stores. The staff is generally better at smaller stores as well, the people are GC are idiots. Also, I'd recommend used les paul studios from the early 90s over newer models, in generally, more consistent quality, and better prices, but when looking at guitars you're really judging on a guitar to guitar basis, you have to try every instrument before you buy. Let your hands and ears decide which guitar is best.

Definitely check out the LPF, you need to register to use the search function or post, or also try MLP (www.mylespaul.com) which is a more chilled out forum full of les paul fans and users, but the LPF is basically the place to go for the best information and advice about les paul.
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#30
I recommend looking for used ones. I mean usually it's recommended to find used deals on any guitar gear because you can find good deals, but Gibson guitars are pretty expensive and also Les Pauls are quite popular, so if you want a Les Paul, I'd look on craigslist, there might be some Gibson Standards on there, Gibson studios, some Epi Standards, some Epi Standard Plus.

Obviously it's much easier to go to the store though. If you find a guitar that you really like though, then look into buying that.
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#31
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No, Gibson gets an unwarranted bashing around here. Some of it is deserved, but the more I read it, the more I realize that 90% of the people don't actually know what they're talking about, they're all just re-hashing what they've heard from others. G[plus more words cut out to save space]

For every obnoxious kid talking out their arse about a guitar they're never touched, there's some star-struck owner sucking up to their guitar when a lot of the time they won't have played anything better (or even different at all). The prime examples of this are the many people on here who will shout until they're blue in the face that an Agile with a pickup change can be as good as any Gibson. You're pretty much in a deadlock there, blind idiots on both sides.

In my experience, yes, the vast, vast majority of Gibsons are well below par, and that is a problem. If it was a 50/50 deal then I wouldn't consider it as much of a negative, but when you can play 100 Gibsons and less than 10 are any good, that is a serious problem and it is very stupid for anyone, regardless of their experience, to ignore that or pretend it's not such a problem. You need to bear in mind that not everyone has access to hundreds of the same guitar to test out and especially on here many kids are hell-bent on buying online, so you have to weigh up their chances; and for most people on here, considering how many poor quality guitars Gibson are putting out these days, it is wiser to tell people not to really bother than to say go for it.


But during talks of "which les paul" and the ones who say "save up for a standard" have me rollling on the floor.
I don't really see why considering it is spec-wise a moderately different guitar.

And my point about the Epiphone is that it's not "almost a Gibson." I've actually owned a 2005 Epiphone les paul standard, [more cut out to save space]
The thing is, every piece of wood is different. Yes, some Gibsons are going to have quite a different sound to some Epis no matter what pickups and so on you put in them. On the other hand some really do sound the same. This was my main problem whenever I've gone to buy Gibsons; each one sounds so different and for every one that has sparkling clarity and response, there's been one which has sounded like it's given up the ghost. Saying [X] Gibson will sound better than [X] Epiphone really doesn't work because it can swing either way. Not to mention how tone is purely subjective and many people do genuinely prefer the sound of Epiphones anyway. Pretty much a stalemate in that regard.

And as for the people on the LPF being cork sniffing brand whores? Ok, I agree to an extent, but it's irrelevant when the case comes to just talking about les pauls. [yay cutting out more words]
Neither, because as ironic as this is considering how many threads I respond to each week, I believe you shouldn't trust in anyone's opinions. Especially when it comes to a company like Gibson with such dodgy QC, it's not like anything you read matters anyway; ultimately it'll all just come down to what it sitting on your local store's shelves. It doesn't matter if Joe Blogs has been playing Les Pauls for 40 years or if xXxTimmySlasherxXx has played for 4 months, ultimately they don't have your hands, and they have no way of knowing what guitars are available to you, and even if you gave them a list of models that'd be no good since there's no possible way for people online to tell if one particular guitar is extra resonant or weighs more or whatever else.

Nor do I think it should have to be pointed out that the person who can give you real solid judgement on a guitar is the one who owns it.
Really, really not. When was the last time you saw someone who owned a certain guitar slagging it off (even when it's a model everyone knows is crap)? How many times per day do kids post on here about how flawless their Squier Bullet Strat is?
People who own a certain guitar can't be trusted any more than the ones who've never touched it.

I'll ask YOU this, if you were looking for advice in buying a new les paul, whose advice would you be taking, 10 random kids with variable tastes and experience who have picked up the guitar at GC and hated it, or 3 experienced long time players who own not just the guitar you're after, but many other les pauls as well that they can make comparisons to?
Well aside from my above comments, if I had to take the advise of one... nope sorry, I can't do it. The kids and the 'experts' are always just as bad as each other in my experience.


The online electric guitar community is basically split into two main camps right now. Half are middle-aged men who are really into jazz and blues, have been playing for decades, and are almost always obnoxiously pretentious. The other half are kids really into heavy metal, have been playing for a few months and are almost always obnoxiously ignorant. The first half won't say a bad word about Gibson and Fender but will turn their noses up to anything like an ESP or Kramer. The second half would marry an Ibanez JEM if they could but refuse to believe a traditional-styled Custom Shop guitar is any better than a £500 Asian copy.

I like neither side, I trust neither side. I trust in only my own experiences and I think while it can be interesting to discuss these aspects, it would be downright stupid to consider either camp's opinions over the other.


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#33
There's an old saying [B]"...opinions are like assholes,... everyone has one but it's not something you want to hear!....."

I've said more than once that you need to try several of any model to get the best of the lot. The idea behind more expensive guitars is their overall quality should be better & in greater numbers in a given sampling. Doesn't mean you won't find a gem in the cheaper lines or a dud in the expensive ones, just that you should have to sample more to find it.

As someone who's worked in a few of music stores many years ago (& I doubt things have changed that much) people should be aware that some less than honest dealers will buy "seconds" and flog them as factory QC inspected and passed.
So you can look at supposed high quality instruments and see defects that aren't representative of the normal output fromthe factory.

I have seen Gibson's that I wouldn't pay the money for but I've also seen some I would for so don't make a lasting opinion based on a particular stores inventory.
Also, a bad store setup (if they've even performed on to begin with) can dissuade soemone who can't tell that it's eassily adjustable/repairable.
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#34
I love my Gibson Studio. It sounds nice, it plays nice, it looks nice. All round the best and most comfortable guitar(for me!) I've ever played.
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