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#1
I'm almost more than considering to buy the Fender Stratocaster HSS. Its about $500 and will only take me about a month to get. I love the feel of the strats (tried them at guitar center), and then string are f!cking awesome to bend. The stock pickups in the neck and middle sounded pretty good too ( I used them for clean or almost clean with just a little dirt through a fender amp).
Anyways, would it be sacrilege to buy that guitar and then replace the bridge pickup with a Duncan Distortion or something, 'AND THEN' use the guitar as a metal/thrash guitar? I do alot of rhythm and lead playing, so I figure when I'm playing with distortion, I could stick to the bridge pickup. Then when I clean it up, alternate between the neck and middle pickups, since the cleans are punchy and perfect for me.
Is this a bad idea? Oh, and I like to use the whammy bar as if it were on a floyd rose bridge. I don't mind the tuning issues, but will it still be sound like any other divebomb / natural harmonic manipulation?
#2
It can make a good metal guitar with the right pickups.

And you can solve the whammy bar tuning problems with some locking tuners and maybe a graphite nut.
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why not? it would be cool
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no? do whatever the hell you want with your guitar, jim root uses a telecaster, and i use my old walnut fender to play thrash stuff. Yngwie plays metal...although its more neoclassical so...

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#5
The bridge will not do what you need. But go for it. You could do a lot to make it stay in tune. Locking nut, graphite nut, lokcing tuners, etc. But you won't be able to dive bomb.
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#6
I'm kinda doing what you're doing, except I'm gonna get the body routed again for so I can go HH. I believe older Strat bodies are routed HSH while the newer MIMs are routed HSS right? Sorry for thread hijacking lol
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Get an active pup for the humbucker. It would be sweet, but I don't know how well it might turn out on a strat. I have it in my Les Paul, but who knows if you can do it with Fenders.
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I'll sell you a mint condition HSS Strat for $350+ shipping.
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yea you could use the strat as a metal guitar as long as it has that humbucker in it you'll be okay. you could also buy some locking tuners for the guitar if you really want to use the trem without tuning crapping out on you.
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I did not steal ur username. it has two Ts. See? anyways, I'm not gonna get an active pickup if i do this cuz the two single coils are just passive ones, but if the duncan distortion isnt a good choice, what would do better for metal? And why won't I be able to divebomb? Thought as long as u had the whammy u could do it? And Forbession, can I see a pic of the strat?
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I did not steal ur username. it has two Ts. See? anyways, I'm not gonna get an active pickup if i do this cuz the two single coils are just passive ones, but if the duncan distortion isnt a good choice, what would do better for metal? And why won't I be able to divebomb? Thought as long as u had the whammy u could do it? And Forbession, can I see a pick of the strat?



The set up of a strat bridge is made for light vibrato mainly. You can kind of dive with it, but it isn't really flexible enough to do a true dive bomb. It just wasnt' made for it. If you loosen the hell out of the springs and get a locking nut MAYBE you could.

And why not get a hot rail or something? I think HSS strats are kinda tacky.
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#12
You'll be able to divebomb fine. You may want to see what upgrades you can get on it though. But I would never buy a Floyd Rose which is probably what that guy was comparing it too.

Anyways if you can get it done professionally try the active/passive combo. It's extremely original and sounds sick.

I'd personally go for an EMG 81 for metal. Or if you're feeling crazy try the SD Blackouts.
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How much does a locking nut cost? And I probably will loosen the **** out of the springs after playing around with the thing. Which kind of hot rail..?

EDIT: An EMG 81 would be cool as hell, and guitar center near me installs the pickups for you, I imagine they could install a working EMG system with the two single coils?
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#15
Don't get the EMG's; they don't sound any better unless you have a tube amp you can crank each volume knob on. I second the Hot Rails suggestion though.

Also, the claim about not being able to divebomb on a strat is complete bullcrap. My strat does it fine.
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#17
Whoa whoa. Why would I get hot rail single coil pickups that somebody linked to me? Im using the regular stock pickups for cleans, unless I absolutely need to upgrade to better sound low output pickups for clean. As for the bridge... an EMG or a Blackout IN THE BRIDGE POSITION may not be bad considering I do play on a Bugera 333-212 all tube amp and I crank it alot. I use the bridge for pretty much all of my gain channels cuz i like squeals. Im just working on smoothing out the tone for soloing leads in the bridge, especially since i wont be able to change positions or it will sound like ****. Savvy?

EDIT: I'd also only go with the active if guitar center could properly setup a passive and active mix..
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#18
You can't get a locking nut. Well you can but you'll just have more tuning troubles since your bridge doesn't have fine tuners. It'll be impossible to get it in tune. Locking tuners will do the job. Don't listen to everyone. You won't be able to do dive bombs on a vintage trem, well not like you imagine. You can do a half-assed one. It's not a Floyd, it doesn't have a large range of motion.
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It's worth noting that the Iron Maiden guys have Strats that are HH and also have Floyd Roses on them.

BTW, I have a Duncan TB-11 humbucker in my Strat, well I'm installing it as soon as I get my pickguard. I don't play metal though, the heaviest I go is like 80s hair metal i.e. Motley Crue, Whitesnake etc.

Anyway dunno about the tremolo because I don't use mine at all, I have my bridge fixed down. I simply don't want to deal with tuning issues.

My recommendation is to save up a bit more, and get a used american strat. If I had to do my guitar purchase again, I'd save some more money and get a nice used american strat for like $800 or so (maybe cheaper in your area). That's my advice.

And I also wouldn't put an active pickup in a Strat. Not only that, you'd have to deal with volume issues. Seeing as you play metal though, why not consider that mexican Strat that has the two humbuckers and Floyd Rose on it? The one that has black finish. I dunno just a thought. The reason I got my Strat was cause I got it for only $300 used and at the time felt like a good guitar. I got a professional setup on it and it's alright so far, I can't really complain about it.

Also a thing to keep in mind is installation costs from Guitar Center. For me I'm installing it myself, so it was about $80 US for the pickup, $25 for a pickguard off ebay and that's it. I don't know how much Guitar Center charges for installation, but you should probably look it up before getting it.
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The American Strats are like upwards from $1,000 lol. And whats the difference? Slightly different styled aesthetics and different pickups? Even though I'm gonna be swapping out atleast one of my pickups. I want the HSS setup also. Not SSS or HH ect ect. The single coil clean f`ckin slays me. I just need a heavy pickup in the bridge.
#22
You could always get an SSS strat and buy a single-coil sized humbucker for the bridge.

Would look way better IMO, but just a thought
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I'm just giving you my advice. I've played through two American Strats and to me they felt better plus you get better hardware on them. Again, this is just my own opinion, feel free to disagree. And I sad used. I saw an American Strat from 2002 for $600cad on craigslist in my area. That's like $550 US for you american folks. There's great deals to be had out there.
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I'm just giving you my advice. I've played through two American Strats and to me they felt better plus you get better hardware on them. Again, this is just my own opinion, feel free to disagree.


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Its a nice setup my bud has it in his strat and it sounds amazing he can do almost anything with it. Im seriously considering buying a strat and getting this setup. I like to play heavy but I like to play blues also its a great fit.
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Anyway, to answer your question, it's not a sin because look at guitarist from Iron Maiden, Dave Murray or whatever his name is, guy plays a Strat with two buckers in it and Floyd Rose, or look at Yngwie Malmsteen, he uses stacked humbuckers in it. I would however be against using actives in a Strat, but that's just me.

A sin is how I'm considering getting a brand new $1400 Gibson Explorer after only 8 months of playing guitar.
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How much does a locking nut cost? And I probably will loosen the **** out of the springs after playing around with the thing. Which kind of hot rail..?

EDIT: An EMG 81 would be cool as hell, and guitar center near me installs the pickups for you, I imagine they could install a working EMG system with the two single coils?


A little bridge trick...

...take out the middle spring, and then bury the spring screws into the body (or until you get the tension you want.)

Another stock Fender/bridge trick....when dive bombing you have to RAISE the strings back in place...sometimes with a slight upward jerk to get the strings seated back over nut and back in tune.
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The bridge will not do what you need. But go for it. You could do a lot to make it stay in tune. Locking nut, graphite nut, lokcing tuners, etc. But you won't be able to dive bomb.

Locking nut isn't a good idea, you need fine tuners on the bridge otherwise it will be impossible to get in tune.
But a graphite nut is a good idea, maybe even locking tuners although they're not necessary.
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Don't listen to everyone. You won't be able to do dive bombs on a vintage trem, well not like you imagine. You can do a half-assed one. It's not a Floyd, it doesn't have a large range of motion.

^That... A divebomb is supposed to dive down far enough to get the strings all floppy, and the Strat trem only has something like a tenth of that range. I think the Wilkinson knife edge models have more range, so you could try swapping for one of those, although it's not a straight swap (because of the posts) and some of them have that annoying arm socket wobble problem.
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I'm just giving you my advice. I've played through two American Strats and to me they felt better plus you get better hardware on them. Again, this is just my own opinion, feel free to disagree. And I sad used. I saw an American Strat from 2002 for $600cad on craigslist in my area. That's like $550 US for you american folks. There's great deals to be had out there.

To second this, I see USA Standard Strats with hardshell cases on my craigslist for around $500 every few days. It's a good idea.
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Looks like the above couple posters beat me to it.

For $500 you can get a used HSS MiA Strat, which comes with a Seymour Duncan humbucker in the bridge. That's what I'm playing right now and it's beautiful. Just make sure you try it out extensively first. Test all the pickups, test volume control, tone etc etc. If you meet on craigslist, tell the guy to meet you at your nearest guitar center, and when you go in, tell the guitar center guys that you want to test out some amps with your own guitar.
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A little bridge trick...

...take out the middle spring, and then bury the spring screws into the body (or until you get the tension you want.)

Another stock Fender/bridge trick....when dive bombing you have to RAISE the strings back in place...sometimes with a slight upward jerk to get the strings seated back over nut and back in tune.



The tuning isn't the problem really. Mine stays in tune fine, I can pull it back up and everything. It's the range of motion of a true dive bomb. I use my PRS for that. A vintage style strat trem bridge can't do a true dive.

The idea with the springs is cool though.
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#36
that'd be fine. a lot of people use fat strats (or glorified fat strats, e.g. stuff like ibanez/jackson/charvel etc.) for metal.

best bet is to try the trem, though, and then try some guitars with (good) floyd roses. just in case it won't do what you want. if you're going to use the trem heavily, locking tuners (assuming you don't go with a floyd) wouldn't hurt either (and keep the nut well lubricated etc.).
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#37
None of the other guitars like Ibanez or Jackson have that Fender feel though. I'm not sure what is worth compensating for. I'd like to learn to use the whammy bar alot with it, but it sounds like it wont be very effective. I'm not quite sure which path to take here. And I'm still undecided about the Bridge pickup. It would be cool to have an active installed for all my metal. Hm idno.
#38
Honestly, I would recommend spending some time with Jacksons/Ibanezes. I felt the same way about Fenders as you do, I bought the American Deluxe strat. Loved it. But there was just something missing. The neck isn't as fast as other guitars and the frets aren't the best for technical stuff. I tried I some Ibanezes, even though I used to hate them, and noticed my playing was better on them. It didn't feel as good as the fender, but I could do things much easier on the Ibanez. I bought a Prestige and got used to it, now I love it. Fenders may feel like they fit like a glove at first, but some things just take time getting used to. I love both of them for different reasons. The I find that the Ibanez neck is better for metal because of the frets. Hammer-ons, pull-offs, and tapping sound so much better. Try other things out, they may not feel right immediately, but just give it some time. You can get a Jackson with HSS configuration. Ibanezes usually come with a 5-way switch also. I think HSH with a 5-way is the way to go. When you use the neck and middle positions on a HSS guitar, it'll always be quieter than the bridge humbucker. But if you do the 5-way with HSH, you have a usable neck pickup. Plus, you get a middle single coil, and bridge/middle and neck/middle. So you'll have strat-like tones. It won't really sound like a strat since it's not alder. But I really recommend you try some stuff out for a while. I actually didn't like how the Ibanez felt when I bought it. But magically, my playing was better, so I just bought it. And it was one of the best decisions ever. I have more of a connection with the Strat. I play with more feeling because the neck fits like a glove. But everything I do is planned out. When I play the Ibanez, I don't have that same connection. It's different. My hands feel more like they're on auto-pilot. Things just come out smoother and with less thought involved. I can't play as fast on my strat, and sweeping is sloppy. Spend some time with them, maybe you'll start to like it
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None of the other guitars like Ibanez or Jackson have that Fender feel though. I'm not sure what is worth compensating for. I'd like to learn to use the whammy bar alot with it, but it sounds like it wont be very effective. I'm not quite sure which path to take here. And I'm still undecided about the Bridge pickup. It would be cool to have an active installed for all my metal. Hm idno.


i just meant that they sounded fine for metal. those new charvels' necks feel pretty similar (not exactly the same, but same ballpark) to the USA standard strat necks, for example.

if you prefer the feel of a fender neck, then get a fender and whack a quality humbucker in there...
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#40
it is absolutely a sin. don't tartar up a nice strat by turning it into some heavy metal piece of garbage. buy an ibanez if you're going to do that. Get a strat for the classic strat tones, not to turn it into some shred machine.

with that said, the guitar will go out of tune really easily if you're going to use the whammy bar. the stock tremolo is not ideal. i took the whammy bar off mine, because it seemed like looking at the damn thing made it go out of tune.

seriously though, get a schecter or ibanez with a floyd rose and some emgs for your metal playing. either of those brands are overall just more conducive to metal.
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