#1
So, last night, as I pondered and thought about things, I started to think about the government. Basically, this whole this whole post is about how I believe we pay the government to control us. They control us with words, and when we disobey those, they send their police and other forms of enforcement. But they pay those enforcers with our tax money. I agree with socialist programs, but I think it's unjust, the amount of control and responsibility we bestow in law enforcement. Why do kids get in trouble for drinking and smoking? Because it's illegal. Why is it illegal? Because the government says it is. If somebody wants to smoke cigarettes and destroy their liver, than that's their choice, and they should be allowed to. Anybody else? Addendums? Thoughts? Arguement? etc.
#2
We bestow all of this trust and money to the government because we want protection.
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We bestow all of this trust and money to the government because we want protection.

eh

i would much ratehr bestow all of my trust and money to metaldud. instead of spending money on war, we would spend money on pokemon.
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#5
John Locke had it right.


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#6
Hmmm. True. But or government really does care somewhere in their hearts. Weed is illegal because they know its effects and want to protect us. Underage smoking is illegal to stop kids from ruining their lives.
Overall, the government works out in the end, I don't really care enough to think about why they do what they do.
#7
Thomas Hobbes first had the theory that we as individuals enter into a social contract of sorts, where liberties are exchanged for safety and order.

Smoking/drinking is bad for you. To a certain extent, the government may prevent you from harming yourself.

If this is about how you can't drink yet, then grow up.
#8
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eh

i would much ratehr bestow all of my trust and money to metaldud. instead of spending money on war, we would spend money on pokemon.

That would be pretty sweet. I'm just saying the reason most people have for giving money to the government.
#9
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We bestow all of this trust and money to the government because we want protection.


this^

without government the world would fall into complete chaos because no one would be telling the lower, stupid people how to live their lives; while the intelligent people try to take over the world and control the stupids.

Eventually we would have governments yet again in the form of tribal rule
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#10
That's very Libertarian, in that our bodies are ours to do whatever we want with. I mostly agree with what you said. Babbs is right, Locke was a genius.
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#11
I don't much listen to the law; if I don't do something it's because I think it's either stupid or immoral.

I pay taxes to keep the police in business so they can keep other people who have looser morals than me in check.
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Hmmm. True. But or government really does care somewhere in their hearts. Weed is illegal because they know its effects and want to protect us. Underage smoking is illegal to stop kids from ruining their lives.
Overall, the government works out in the end, I don't really care enough to think about why they do what they do.


well obviously its not working. they spend money trying to do things that help people, but in alot of cases, this makes them wanna do it more to rebel. people are gonna do drugs and smoke cigarettes underage regardless of what the government says. in my opinion, they are wasting money trying to stop people from doing these things. i understand if the crime is a major crime, such as murder rape, or a crime of the like, but drugs and cigarettes are things that people need to work out themselves. a fine wont stop a druggie from getting his fix
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#13
Your point is valid...to a degree.

Imagine for a second what life would be like without police and other government (tax payer) funded regulation organizations were non-existant.

If you think it's bad to get busted for smoking, you've obviously never been shot.

A very extreme example there, but to put it plainly democracy was founded on the idea that one nation is the sum of it's parts, thus you choose your leader and you pay for the things he/she achieves.

The idea that they try to control us is quite funny, judging by the fact that we (at least where I come from) have the power to eliminate current politicians. SO in the end we hold all the power.

The discrepancy lies where people become afraid of the people they elect... which in itself is pure insanity.

And as far as smoking goes, i won't get to deep into that. But we all know smoking is harmful to others, thus it should be a non-smokers right to live in a smoke free environment. So it's not the government saying it's bad, it's a basic human right to a healthy life that says it's wrong.

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Quote by iron_maiden97
drugs and cigarettes are things that people need to work out themselves.


Whilst this could be true,

There is the small issue of the addictive nature of cigarettes and hard drugs.

It would be fair to say that once dependent a person no longer has the freedom to "work out" Cocaine, no?
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#14
...because more kids/people dying young won't contribute as much to society if they'd have lived. how do you know the next Winston Chirchill, Einstein etc isn't some 11-year old on the brink of getting hammered in Wakefield right now? you need to protect the next generation because they'll be the work force/next priminister/scientists/doctors etc.
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#15
Quote by iron_maiden97
well obviously its not working. they spend money trying to do things that help people, but in alot of cases, this makes them wanna do it more to rebel. people are gonna do drugs and smoke cigarettes underage regardless of what the government says. in my opinion, they are wasting money trying to stop people from doing these things. i understand if the crime is a major crime, such as murder rape, or a crime of the like, but drugs and cigarettes are things that people need to work out themselves. a fine wont stop a druggie from getting his fix


but it can stop an innocent kid from trying, if you dont put a limit on society then it can lead to anarchy. The laws are to try to prevent new people from trying and collect fines from people who get caught.
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#16
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So, last night, as I pondered and thought about things, I started to think about the government. Basically, this whole this whole post is about how I believe we pay the government to control us. They control us with words, and when we disobey those, they send their police and other forms of enforcement. But they pay those enforcers with our tax money. I agree with socialist programs, but I think it's unjust, the amount of control and responsibility we bestow in law enforcement. Why do kids get in trouble for drinking and smoking? Because it's illegal. Why is it illegal? Because the government says it is. If somebody wants to smoke cigarettes and destroy their liver, than that's their choice, and they should be allowed to. Anybody else? Addendums? Thoughts? Arguement? etc.


also, if people want to kill other people, and be frowned upon by society, then that is their choice. If you want roads to drive on, then you can build them yourself. If companies leave rats in their ground beef, then that is the buyer's problem. etc. etc.

your logic doesn't work so well when you extend it, does it now?

our gov't is (as of today) by the people, and for the people.


that said, LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.
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#17
We can't drink because people drink and drive. You can't smoke because it causes others health problems. I know people with asthma that don't really appreciate smokers. It's all about public safety, and as mentioned before, protection.
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also, if people want to kill other people, and be frowned upon by society, then that is their choice. If you want roads to drive on, then you can build them yourself. If companies leave rats in their ground beef, then that is the buyer's problem. etc. etc.

your logic doesn't work so well when you extend it, does it now?

our gov't is (as of today) by the people, and for the people.


that said, LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.


Well, I'm not really sure but I might have left out the part where I think that minor forms of enforcement should be eliminated. Something of that nature, anyways.

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We can't drink because people drink and drive. You can't smoke because it causes others health problems. I know people with asthma that don't really appreciate smokers. It's all about public safety, and as mentioned before, protection.



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#19
Quote by DrPepper09
this^

without government the world would fall into complete chaos because no one would be telling the lower, stupid people how to live their lives; while the intelligent people try to take over the world and control the stupids.

Eventually we would have governments yet again in the form of tribal rule


I actually have to disagree. I find the world is run by people who are far from intelligent. Maybe well versed in how society, the economy has to run, but not intelligent. And that too the smart leaders are far too few.

It's a case of donkeys leading sheep. And the reason people follow is a) they don't have the wealth, b) they can't be bothered and just want to live life. No one wants to further our kind anymore.

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