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i know theres a painting guitar thread but it doesnt cover painting guitars with a BRUSH, pleas correct me if im wrong. heres the design i intend to paint onto my les paul (epi) and are there any full guides to doing it??
i mean in detail guides from stripping down to what paint to use and how many layers, how long to dry.



if you can help thanks
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#2
Nice design.

About stripping the finish, either heat gun + scraper + sand paper, or you could just use paint stripper + scraper + sand paper, they will be the quickest way's to strip it.

About painting, personally i would just use some acryllic paint (i think that's the right type, you know the paint that you can get in little metal tubes and it comes out like toothpaste), then i'd go over the top with an acryllic water based lacquer, or you could use nitro, but im not sure if that would make the paint run and/ or react with it.

Also sand it as flat as possible and spray a nice coat of white primer onto the body and sand it smooth, but maker sure not to sand through it, then go about painting it.

by the way the nitro will fade over time and i think go slighly yellowish, it'll look like an old instrument after a while (with fade marks from body contact etc) where as the acryllic laquer wont fade (as far as i'm aware).
Black Knight CF-60F Semi-Acoustic.

Black Knight CP200 (Red flamed maple).

Neck-thru 4 string bass.

Acoustic 6 string.
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Quote by Daniel8488
Nice design.

About stripping the finish, either heat gun + scraper + sand paper, or you could just use paint stripper + scraper + sand paper, they will be the quickest way's to strip it.

About painting, personally i would just use some acryllic paint (i think that's the right type, you know the paint that you can get in little metal tubes and it comes out like toothpaste), then i'd go over the top with an acryllic water based lacquer, or you could use nitro, but im not sure if that would make the paint run and/ or react with it.

Also sand it as flat as possible and spray a nice coat of white primer onto the body and sand it smooth, but maker sure not to sand through it, then go about painting it.

by the way the nitro will fade over time and i think go slighly yellowish, it'll look like an old instrument after a while (with fade marks from body contact etc) where as the acryllic laquer wont fade (as far as i'm aware).


thanks thats really useful , the designs primarily dream theater inspired (you know the ant on the website holding up the globe?)
how many clear coat layers?
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No problem, i havent seen that design, but i will go check it out, also i'm not sure if you have open humbuckers, but a pair of chrome plated humbuckers would look really nice on that design.

I'd say no less than 9 coat's of clear coat, 3 coats a day, 1 to 2 hours between each coat over 3 days (i got that from lumberjack i think) and then leave it for like 2/3 week's to dry solid all the way to the base, then just buff and polish it.
Black Knight CF-60F Semi-Acoustic.

Black Knight CP200 (Red flamed maple).

Neck-thru 4 string bass.

Acoustic 6 string.
#5
And - take this from me, mate - if you're taking off the finish to leave bare wood, before you put on the primer, USE SANDING SEALER!

Sanding sealer is a sunstance which you brush onto the wood. It fills up all the grain of the wood, and that's how you get it totally smooth. Like, slippery, plasticky smooth. Sanding alone will not do. Trust me, I've been there...
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you could try spraying the sky/ clouds, that'll be quite hard, or you could just have it black and fade to a blue around the earth, so it look's like the earth from space, with the blue aruao(spelling?) around the earth etc.

I like that design by the way, maybe have the sun instead of the earths crust/ core?

And yes, EJD is right, dont forget sanding sealer if you take it to bare wood, thanks for that
Black Knight CF-60F Semi-Acoustic.

Black Knight CP200 (Red flamed maple).

Neck-thru 4 string bass.

Acoustic 6 string.
#8
any advise on what to do with the binding and the neck?
do i sand the neck down or should i leave it white and just cover up the fretboard?
pic of guitar (i can put the pickup cover back on)

has anyone got similar paints i can look at?
sorry bout all the questions
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I wouldnt use paint stripper or a heat gun to remove the paint, you'll either strip the binding or melt it.

I would just use some very coarse 60 grit with a sanding block and go at it until you get through the clear coat and paint. I'm not sure if roughing up the clearcoat and then painting directly onto it would be any good, best not try that.

But like i said, dont use the heat gun or pain stripper on it, just incase you ruin the binding.

Personally i think it'd be nice if you left the back and the neck of the guitar white and had just the front painted, it'd be alot easier aswell.

when painting, even if using a brush, cover the binding with masking tape and cover the sides of the fretboard with masking tape and place news paper down the center and make sure it's all sealed, no holes for paint/ clearcoat to get in.


EDIT: any kind of paint like this should be fine, you'll need a water based sand sealer aswell by the way, if you can get the sealer, paint and clear coat water based you should have any chemical reaction problems or paint running problems, aslong as you leave it to dry properly.

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Black Knight CF-60F Semi-Acoustic.

Black Knight CP200 (Red flamed maple).

Neck-thru 4 string bass.

Acoustic 6 string.
Last edited by Daniel8488 at Jan 21, 2009,
#10
can i just sand off the finnish with a belt sander then use sanding sealer then primer then acrylic then acryllic water based lacquer?
would this be easier?
where can i get "acryllic water based lacquer" and how much does it cost
i really appreciate the help
thanks
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#11
You can do exactly that, just make sure that once you've took all the paint off with the belt sander that you go over it with normal sandpaper to get rid of any dips/ mountains that maybe created by the belt sander, it'll be hard to see with bare wood, but you'll notice it with gloss clear coat on.

for the clearcoat your local craft/ supply shop should stock it, if not you can find it on most hardware and supply websites, this is what you should be looking forLink

It'll be about $20 i'm guessing and that should be enough

Hope this helps.
Black Knight CF-60F Semi-Acoustic.

Black Knight CP200 (Red flamed maple).

Neck-thru 4 string bass.

Acoustic 6 string.
#12
That could be quite a brilliant design, if done well with the right materials.

You could do it with a brush, but I would suggest thinning the material out a bit more to allow it to flow out smoother.

Do you have a budget with which to achieve this? If so, what is it?

Are you in a rush?

I would NOT, sand back to the bare wood, unless you really want to.

All that is required is to scuff the surface and apply a primer/sealer.

I can help, if you wish. I would also recommend NOT brushing the clear coat. I can recommend clear in a can, but need answers to my other questions first.
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I just painted this one with a brush last month:



You want to know the truth? Keep it simple. It will come out fine.

1. remove all hardware that can be removed (pickguard, strap buttons, knobs, bridge, tailpiece, input jack..) and tape all that can't be removed. Wrap the fretboard and headstock with newspaper and tape it shut (this is protection for when you spray the lacquer coat).

2. lightly sand with a sanding sponge (they shape themselves to the contour of the guitar). No need to sand to bare wood.

3. use acrylic paint - I used Testors and Tamiya brand bought at any model/hobby shop - and buy three or four good brushes. Total cost here would be about forty bucks.

4. paint lighter colors first, then darker colors so you can go over the lighter color's edges slightly. All colors will need at least three coats to get the full color and no streaks...darker colors may require more coats

5. drying time on acrylics is really fast, but let dry fully for 24 hours

6. wrap some good twine around the headstock and hang the guitar

7. spray with clear gloss lacquer (Minwax - $10). Follow the instructions on the label - light coats first, drying time, more and more coats, drying time... This process takes many hours and then after the whole can is gone (that's about eight coats) let dry for a full 24 hours

8. reassemble guitar
Last edited by CasinoEpiphone at Jan 21, 2009,
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Quote by Skeet UK
That could be quite a brilliant design, if done well with the right materials.

You could do it with a brush, but I would suggest thinning the material out a bit more to allow it to flow out smoother.

Do you have a budget with which to achieve this? If so, what is it?

Are you in a rush?

I would NOT, sand back to the bare wood, unless you really want to.

All that is required is to scuff the surface and apply a primer/sealer.

I can help, if you wish. I would also recommend NOT brushing the clear coat. I can recommend clear in a can, but need answers to my other questions first.


not sure about budget but i guess £40 - £60 (my mums an artist so no need to buy paints).
i have as much time as necessary.

any design changes? still deciding what to fill the white empty space with?
any suggestions welcome.

thanks everyone, i really want a unique guitar when this is all finished.
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Last edited by Sad But False at Jan 21, 2009,
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Quote by Sad But False
not sure about budget but i guess £40 - £60 (my mums an artist so no need to buy paints).
i have as much time as necessary.

any design changes? still deciding what to fill the white empty space with?
any suggestions welcome.

thanks everyone, i really want a unique guitar when this is all finished.


I actually thought about the design.

I can see why you oriented it that way (the globe with the lower bout).

If you look at the drawing....then at the actual guitar, the available space is configured very differently.

With the guitar in a playing position, and at the bottom, bottom of the globe just coming below pickups, might even have room for some text across the top.

That way, there is more room to fit the ant between the area where the knobs are.

Cant the white empty space, be like it is in the picture...clouds...??
Last edited by Skeet UK at Jan 21, 2009,
#16

heres another take on the design (this time with the acrylics i will be using) i turned the ant around as i thought it would look better not being surrounded by volume and tone knobs.
should be starting on the guitar soon.
any constructive (design) critisism is ver welcome, colours etc...
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