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#81
Quote by germaphobe
I've started reading James Joyce's Finnegans Wake, and I like it so far, though I'm only about 1/4 through.

The Picture of Dorian Gray was a really good book, as was Joyce's Ulysses.


And I thought UG was populated by mainly semiliterates!
#82
oh dear, i don't even know how to approach either of those books.

when i said that reading War and Peace gave you the confidence to never be intimidated by another book, i was lying. those 2 scare the shit out of me.
#83
Regarding The Dark Tower series by Stephen King:
I started reading it due to the high reviews from you guys. The first book was amazing, and when I was done I went out and bought the other six.
The second book was good, but nowhere near the awesomeness of the first.
The third was decent.
I couldn't finish the fourth. That was six months ago.

Does the series continue in this vein? Do the books keep getting more and more tedious? I know they get longer and longer, but do they ever return to the awesomeness of the first or at least the goodness of the second?


Basically, is it worth it to try to continue?
#84
Quote by Von.
I have that one lying around, I just can't be assed to pick it up and read it. Worth the effort, I presume?



its considered a classic book of philosophy, so yes. I'm only an eighth way through.
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#85
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World War Z is great.


Just about to start that. I just finished book 8 of the Pendragon series by DJ MacHale. Yeah, they're for kids, but they're soo much fun. I like them better than Harry Potter. Despite their clichéd, predictableness.
#86
Quote by Duval67
The Road by Cormac McCarthy.
All of you, read it.
Now.


It was a good read but it left me feeling underwhelmed. I think it was mainly because it was quite short.
I just finished reading 'Flow, My Tears, The Policeman Said' by Phillip K. Dick which is a great book, I think I enjoyed it just as much as 'Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?'.

Can anyone recommend me any good books by Haruki Murakami? I've only read 'The Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World'.
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#87
currently reading a few things. the birth of tragedy by nietzsche, marxism and literary criticism by terry eagleton & hunting mr heartbreak by jonathan raban (fantastic little travel book retracing the steps of hector st. john crevecoeur and the millions of other emigrants to discover america, sailing from the docks of liverpool to new york and on to alabama, seattle etc. certainly recommend to anyone with a particular interest in americana and/or the works of bill bryson).

as for stuff i'd recommend... any teenage boy should enjoy the american beats. obvious starting point would be "on the road" by kerouac (the subterraneans and pic are also great), bit of ginsberg ("howl" would be the obvious suggestion this time), naked lunch by burroughs, fear & loathing by hunter s. thompson. bukowski is a beautiful writer. "post office" by him is a great place to to start. "come on in" is my favourite of his poetry collections, though all are predictably fantastic. ferlinghetti as well. i find that beat enthusiasts tend to enjoy william blake, so i'd recommend him (especially when read by allen ginsberg - do a youtube search!!). anyone with an interest in dylan should check out his "chronicles"... i'd rate it alongside the beat writing easily. his "tarantula" is alright... good for a laugh, but chronicles is really an exceptionally well-written autobiography. (that new lennon autobiography is truly awesome as well, my dad's reading it atm but i managed to get through the first 100 pages the other day and can't wait to finish it).

this year i've been mainly trying to get through the canon. shakespeare's history plays (rarely appear on secondary english syllabi), dostoevsky, tolstoy, d.h. lawrence, austen, eliot (though i hated middlemarch), forster (heartily recommend "a room with a view"), wilde etc. whoever mentioned fitzgerald's "the great gatsby" should check out his other stuff if they haven't already (particularly "tender is the night" and "the diamond as big as the ritz", both gorgeous).

i've had a real cummings fetish recently as well. any of his kind of "greatest hits" poetry collections are worth getting. most people immediately take to "maggie and milly and molly and may", "anyone lived in a pretty how town", etc. absolutely enjoyable.

erm. i think somebody mentioned richard dawkins? i'd recommend christopher hitchens as an alternative ("god is not great"). just as, if not more vitriolic and an extremely fascinating book. it's difficult to find a contemporary atheist without the acerbic tone, haha.

be back with more specific recommendations later.
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#88
Quote by almighty_dylan
Can anyone recommend me any good books by Haruki Murakami? I've only read 'The Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World'.

that one is amazing. i'd suggest reading The Wind Up Bird Chronicles and Kafka On The Shore. if you like those move onto A Wild Sheep Chase and Dance Dance Dance, but you have to read those two in order...well, you don't have to but DDD is sort of a sequel.
#89
I am reading:

Post Office by Charles Bukowski
Locked in the arms of a crazy life by Howard Sounes
West of Rome by John Fante
Mexico City Blues by Jack Kerouac

Next in line:

The Sicilian by Mario Puzo
Travels with Charley by John Steinback
We Are Not in This Together by Raymond Carver
Nexus by Henry Miller
#90
Quote by SteveHouse
Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm are both way too good. Just don't read them close together. Ever. I did it back to back.


I know what you mean there, they're similar books in the way that the "government" tells you what you do and don't believe etc
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#91
I'm currently reading Wuthering Heights for English class. I'm enjoying it alot, to my surprise, I thought I would hate it. Its alot nastier than I thought it would be. The relationship between Heathcliff and Catherine is very turbulent.

Also, is Heathcliff the character that all the women love?
#92
I'm studying it for Eng Lit. too, and also absolutely loving it. I've never got why women seem to like Heathcliffe, I guess because he's so intense. People seem to think that Wuthering Heights and the Brontes' work in general will be similar to Austen, when in actual fact they're totally different. In general the Brontes are a lot more gritty, and Wuthering Heights I think sums up the difference. The three sister's style of writing is not exactly the same of course, but their subject matter is similar. For the major difference between them and Austen, compare the, without sounding to pretentious, I want to say brutality, or Wuthering Heights to Austen's most well known book, Pride and Prejudice. A good book, but there's no comparison IMO.

That was a random rant.
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#93
Quote by Craigo


Just getting your attention. This is Orwell's best book. Screw 1984, screw Animal Farm, this book is fantastic and beats both.


I loved 1984, but it has been horrifically overrated in recent years - although I still say it's a must-read. I can see Homage... being better, I'm really interested in the Spanish Civil War. Need to finish my Bill Hicks book first - can't stand reading multiple books.
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#94
Quote by GettintheLedout
Regarding The Dark Tower series by Stephen King:
I started reading it due to the high reviews from you guys. The first book was amazing, and when I was done I went out and bought the other six.
The second book was good, but nowhere near the awesomeness of the first.
The third was decent.
I couldn't finish the fourth. That was six months ago.



I began reading the first book. Its ok. I'm at the part where the main charecter meets the kid from earth. Does it get better?


Quote by freddaahh
I loved 1984, but it has been horrifically overrated in recent years - although I still say it's a must-read. I can see Homage... being better, I'm really interested in the Spanish Civil War. Need to finish my Bill Hicks book first - can't stand reading multiple books.


I agree about 1984, it is a fantastic book, but every kid who reads it just goes "OMG, te govt contruls yur mmindzz!". It has much deeper themes than goverment
#95
I really need to start reading more, I really enjoy it when I find a book that I like.

The last 2 that I really enjoyed were Running with Scissors and Dry, both written by Augusten Burrows.

Next up I am going to read The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell, recommended by a friend. I haven't started it yet though.
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#96
Quote by slayer1516
I began reading the first book. Its ok. I'm at the part where the main charecter meets the kid from earth. Does it get better?


The first one, yeah. But if you didn't think it was amazing until now, you probably won't.
#97
this month i have been reading all 5 books of Hitchhiker's guide to galaxy and i really enjoyed them
#98
Any Dean Koontz fans? I've read Velocity , Strange Highways and False Memory, and I'm currently reading Odd Thomas.

I'm also going to get my hands on a copy of Interview With The Vampire, I bought The Vampire Armand, however I never knew at first that it was part of a series.
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#99
Quote by LastToKnow
I'm studying it for Eng Lit. too, and also absolutely loving it. I've never got why women seem to like Heathcliffe, I guess because he's so intense. People seem to think that Wuthering Heights and the Brontes' work in general will be similar to Austen, when in actual fact they're totally different. In general the Brontes are a lot more gritty, and Wuthering Heights I think sums up the difference. The three sister's style of writing is not exactly the same of course, but their subject matter is similar. For the major difference between them and Austen, compare the, without sounding to pretentious, I want to say brutality, or Wuthering Heights to Austen's most well known book, Pride and Prejudice. A good book, but there's no comparison IMO.

That was a random rant.


This is the first Bronte work I've read, and I haven't read any of Austin's novels, so I can't really look at in that context. Taking the book on its own merit's though, it is really good. Most of my other classmates are struggling with it, I'm on like page 100, everyone was amazed when I said it

I'm on the part just after Heathcliff has married Isabella. I like the supernatural and eerie atmosphere. The moor lands really fascinate me somewhat. And the human relationships is very real, unlike that Twilight bull****.
#100
I don't really read classic literature because I make a point of only reading things I want to read, not things I want to have read.


Discworld novels > than all else. Even Dickens.
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#101
Quote by Meths
I don't really read classic literature because I make a point of only reading things I want to read, not things I want to have read.


Discworld novels > than all else. Even Dickens.


Is it possible that you'll ever want to read something considered a "classic"? Or will you object because it's in the "Classics" section of the library?
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#102
Quote by freddaahh
Is it possible that you'll ever want to read something considered a "classic"? Or will you object because it's in the "Classics" section of the library?


Depends. I don't actually find classic literature very interesting and I'd probably be put off trying to read any because of what it is. But I would actually read it if I thought it was good.
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#103
Quote by Meths
Depends. I don't actually find classic literature very interesting and I'd probably be put off trying to read any because of what it is. But I would actually read it if I thought it was good.


Huh, alright. But then again, aren't 'classics' considered so because they are so good and have survived all these hundreds of years due to their quality and critical acclaim? There can be a case of looking back with rose-tinted goggles and seeing everything about the past as wonderful, but I think - for the most part - classic books are considered so because of their quality and their impact on English Literature they had.
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#105
Quote by freddaahh
Huh, alright. But then again, aren't 'classics' considered so because they are so good and have survived all these hundreds of years due to their quality and critical acclaim? There can be a case of looking back with rose-tinted goggles and seeing everything about the past as wonderful, but I think - for the most part - classic books are considered so because of their quality and their impact on English Literature they had.


That doesn't mean they're good to read. I personally feel that people read them because it's expected and because they're pretentious fuckers.
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#106
Quote by Meths
That doesn't mean they're good to read. I personally feel that people read them because it's expected and because they're pretentious fuckers.

Something a bit related that I read once: "A classic is a book that everyone praises, but none reads".

I tried to read "The Three Musketeers" when I was 12 years old and couldn't get past the 2 first chapters . I'm reading "The Dumas Club" and they constantly praise that book there. So I'm going to try again soon and see if it actually is that good or not.
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#107
Quote by andy16al
this month i have been reading all 5 books of Hitchhiker's guide to galaxy and i really enjoyed them

If anybody hasn't done this yet... why? Go fix that right now. I re-read the five of them over Christmas and probably laughed out loud more than the first time through.

Anybody ever read the short story "Big Me"? We just went through it in my fiction class, so I figured I'd ask the Lit thread what anyone who read it thought Mickleson's deal was.

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#108
Quote by Meths
That doesn't mean they're good to read. I personally feel that people read them because it's expected and because they're pretentious fuckers.

Honestly, I understand what you're saying.

But Les Miserables is one of the most entertaining books I've ever read. Sure it's long, and there are parts that get a bit tedious with history, but the story itself makes it hard to put down.

Lots of "classic" novels are quite entertaining.
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#109
The classics tend to be the ones that are good enough to have stood the test of time. Loads of crap, dull, mediocre and average novels have just been forgotten.

Sure, I can understand why people are put off by most classics (archaic language, stylistic changes, not enjoying certain literary genres/movements), but to write off all older literature as dull on principle isn't a great course of action.
#110
Read Red Army by Ralph Peters, its incredible. Also, the Tom Clancy Books are great too, read Without Remorse.
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#111
Donald Westlake was an excellent author, give him a try.

Wrote an excellent novel, and I apologize in advance for the spelling;
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#112
Has anyone read American Pyscho?


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#114
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Stephen King's "The Dark Tower" series is about as epic a fantasy series as it gets.

This man speaks the honest to God truth. (Or should I say honest to Gan?)
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#115
Oh, and right now I'm reading Ghost Story by Peter Straub. It's pretty good so far.
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#116
I just finished Wuthering Heights... goood stuff. Currently reading Little Women for AP English, can't say that it's bad but I will say that I would rather be reading other stuff.

Upcoming: Sophie's World... being forced to... our teacher thinks this book is gold. Then Sense and Sensibility and In Cold Blood, which I'm looking forward to probably the most. There are so many books I want to read and I feel like I never have enough time to read them.

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Quote by LastToKnow
I'm studying it for Eng Lit. too, and also absolutely loving it. I've never got why women seem to like Heathcliffe, I guess because he's so intense. People seem to think that Wuthering Heights and the Brontes' work in general will be similar to Austen, when in actual fact they're totally different. In general the Brontes are a lot more gritty, and Wuthering Heights I think sums up the difference. The three sister's style of writing is not exactly the same of course, but their subject matter is similar. For the major difference between them and Austen, compare the, without sounding to pretentious, I want to say brutality, or Wuthering Heights to Austen's most well known book, Pride and Prejudice. A good book, but there's no comparison IMO.

That was a random rant.


Yes, in some ways I agree and others I don't. I think that the way their characters are created is similar because they are so deep, but their themes are completely different. Pride and Prejudice leaves you feeling complete when you're done, whereas you still feel like hell when you finish Wuthering Heights.
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#117
Today I'm ashamed of the literature quality over here in my city.
Without mentioning how hard was to find "Life Of Pi", I've been today to three different bookstores searching:
1. Homage To Catalonia by George Orwell
2. The Gunslinger by Stephen King
3. War & Peace by Tolstoy.

Can you guys believe that none of them had them, except for one that had The Gunslinger for around 37 Dollars? 37 dollars for a 300 hundred pages book ! The fuck?
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#118
Quote by urik
Can you guys believe that none of them had them, except for one that had The Gunslinger for around 37 Dollars? 37 dollars for a 300 hundred pages book ! The fuck?

Was it the edited version, or the original one? Plus how old was it?

If it is the original with the illustrations by Michael Whelan included, then it is somewhat rare, so I think $37 is a reasonable price. I suggest getting the revised and expanded version though, seeing as how it flows better with the rest of the series and the few continuity errors are fixed.
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#119
Quote by NuSiK
Was it the edited version, or the original one? Plus how old was it?

If it is the original with the illustrations by Michael Whelan included, then it is somewhat rare, so I think $37 is a reasonable price. I suggest getting the revised and expanded version though, seeing as how it flows better with the rest of the series and the few continuity errors are fixed.

Well, the thing is that over here in Argentina we earn way less than over there, although it balances out since things like food, gas, electricity, and rent are way cheapier over here. However, I'm a delivery boy, and my salary is't bad at all for 4 hours a day and delivery boy. Around 200 bucks. So you understand? That book, represents around the 20% of my monthly wage. It's damn crazy . Most books of that size cost around 8 dollars.

About what edition it was, I have no idea.
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#120
Quote by urik
Well, the thing is that over here in Argentina we earn way less than over there, although it balances out since things like food, gas, electricity, and rent are way cheapier over here. However, I'm a delivery boy, and my salary is't bad at all for 4 hours a day and delivery boy. Around 200 bucks. So you understand? That book, represents around the 20% of my monthly wage. It's damn crazy .

Oh, I gotcha. My bad. I see what you mean. I don't think there's much I can suggest, other than trying to find it online if you have a credit card.
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My friends cat smokes, wears a leather jacket and swears at me when i look at it.He is really fat so it makes it even more funny.