#1


I say future bass as it does not exist yet. I want to make it when i have the time/money/skills to do so.

I have put this in the bass forum as i only want bass players opinions on the design, but if i have broken any rules then please move the thread or close it.

Here are the potential specs:

-5 string, tuned EADGC
-Drop d tuner on E string
-Jazz style body, but with horns off of an ibanez sr
-mahogany body with quilted maple top (stained)
-24 fret maple neck with rosewood fretboard
-3 push-pull volume controls (pulling up activates each pickup)
-1 master tone
-coil tap switch for bridge humbucker

so what do you think?
do you have any suggestions for improvements?
what do you like/dislike?


Im also thinking of doing a cherry red one with standard 5 string tuning

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#2
I really like the shape and the concept. However, I dislike the lack of active electronics and the single tone control.

I also dislike the number of pickups and the placement of them. That's just personal though.
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#3
I like the controls and the passive-ness of it. However, I would agree that the pickups are in an ugly, if versatile, combination. If I were you, I'd just throw in three different humbuckers, with a coil tap for each.
#4
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I like the controls and the passive-ness of it. However, I would agree that the pickups are in an ugly, if versatile, combination. If I were you, I'd just throw in three different humbuckers, with a coil tap for each.


dont go by my photoshop image, those arn't the exact pickup's i am gonna use, but it will be the same config of a humbucker in the bridge, a split coil, and then a jazz in the neck.

to be honest i'd prefer it to sound good than look good.

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#6
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Versatile-yet-fugly pickups coupled with a not-so-versatile control layout... hmmm...


how is it not versitile?
with these controls i can get every pickup combination possible.
if you talking about it being passive, then i don't mind because i want it to be passive.

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how is it not versitile?
with these controls i can get every pickup combination possible.
if you talking about it being passive, then i don't mind because i want it to be passive.

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I play a passive bass myself, but wouldn't you want some sort of tonal adjustment for those pickups? Also, how about an easier switching system?
#8
Lets see, overall its nice, but you could swap the Split coil for a single bar split coil, and have the have the split coild and the single coil moved closer together, also two volume knobs and two tone, have a blend knob to select each pickup and another one to mix iot with another pickup. Then do your thingy with the humbucker, that has a vlo and tone, and the other two share a tone and vol. Thats how i would do it.
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#9
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-3 push-pull volume controls (pulling up activates each pickup)



This doesn't really make sense. So down is off, then up is on and the volume control? You could just forget the push pull, when the knob is at 0, the pickup is effectively off, at any other level, its on. You can now use these push pull pots for stuff like the coil tap, series/parallel and an on/off treble boost by putting a cap on it.

The control layout I would use would be in a similar style to a jazz bass - volume for neck pup w/ push switch for series/parallel, volume for bridge pup w/ push switch for coil split, master tone, top mounted jack output. (or 2 band active EQ here instead of the tone and jack output and move the jack output to the side)

The jazz pickup is gonna be too flabby sounding in that position too. I'd remove the P pup and put the jazz there and i'd move the humbucker nearer the bridge to give a tighter, snappier sound.

If you went 4+1 on the headstock instead of your current 3+2, you could put a logo or something similar quite easily onto the headstock.

You havent included your bridge specs on there either, i'd go for a high mass bridge - gotoh 201 or badass 2.

Active/passive electronics is up to you, I personally am a fan of passive basses but think that humbuckers without active electronics don't quite sound right.

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#10
too... Much...

much too much.

I prefer to keep basses relatively simple

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#11
Agreeing with Jon, I wouldn't have that P pickup there. It forces the J into a place that makes it basically useless unless you give it it's own output so you can use it as a woofer pup or something.
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#12
if you move the humbucker and split coil farther back, you may have enough room to effectively have a useable and nice sound from that single.

you can help reduce the ugly factor by putting a black fake neck through stripe on it.
also, I bet if you made it three holes, gave each pickup it's own tone knob and volume it would add greatly to your versatility.
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#14
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You may as well chuck on two humbuckers, with a coil tap, as well as switches to wire each coil in series and parallel.

but then he can't have a split sound, a single coil, and a humbucker at the same time...

HSH?
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#16
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You don't need split, single and a bucker at the same time.

he may want the option though...
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#17
I'd go for a tappable humbucker in the bridge and a Jazz in the neck, with a volume for each, a tone for each, a coil tap for the 'bucker and a series/parallel switch.
#18
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if you move the humbucker and split coil farther back, you may have enough room to effectively have a useable and nice sound from that single.

you can help reduce the ugly factor by putting a black fake neck through stripe on it.
also, I bet if you made it three holes, gave each pickup it's own tone knob and volume it would add greatly to your versatility.


i agree with you here, and i have modified it suitably:


i have moved the pups, so the p pup is exactly where it would be on a p bass, the j pup is where it would be on a j bass, and i moved the humbucker a bit closer to the bridge. i actually intended to do this anyways i just hadn't put them in the right places in photoshop.

i have also changed my mind on the knobs, the push pull ones where a silly idea. how does three concentric pots sound? so i could have a tone and volume for each pickup, and i have moved the coil tap switch to where the master tone used to be.

what do you reckon now? any better?

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#19
looks better too.

also, gold hardware.
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#20
It's pretty similar to the sort of thing I'd have made if I were having something made, but I'd scrap the P and get a 3 band.
#21
good call on the gold hardware:

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#22
add the black stripe now, it will make it sexy.

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#23
I tried and failed on photoshop to add the stripe, too much messing about with layers and stuff.

If i wanted a stripe through the body i would just make it neck through anyways.

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I tried and failed on photoshop to add the stripe, too much messing about with layers and stuff.

If i wanted a stripe through the body i would just make it neck through anyways.

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hmm. ok

and a black stripe lol.

it already is quite sexy though.
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#25
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hmm. ok

and a black stripe lol.

it already is quite sexy though.


my mates dad works in a saw mill and has apparently got me a nice piece of Sapele to use for the body for free so that means i will be able to spend my whole budget for body wood on a nice pretty maple top

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my mates dad works in a saw mill and has apparently got me a nice piece of Sapele to use for the body for free so that means i will be able to spend my whole budget for body wood on a nice pretty maple top

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or on neck wood, some skunk stripes=hawt.

flame maple?

or of course, a AAAA top...
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#27
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or on neck wood, some skunk stripes=hawt.

flame maple?

or of course, a AAAA top...


yeah flame maple sounds good, or maby quilted maple.

i do wanna get a nice quality one, but i dont know where in the uk i can get it.
i doubt there will be pretty wood at the saw mill.

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#28
I'm no expert on how Electronics are wired, and I don't really for sure know what can or can't be done, but what about this, since you said at one point that you wanted to control all the pickups.
Have a Master volume knob, a blending/selector knob for the P and J pickups, a on/off switch for the Humbucker, and a 3 band EQ with a low, mid, and high knob. Something that looks like this:



If its full of fail then oh well.
#29
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I'm no expert on how Electronics are wired, and I don't really for sure know what can or can't be done, but what about this, since you said at one point that you wanted to control all the pickups.
Have a Master volume knob, a blending/selector knob for the P and J pickups, a on/off switch for the Humbucker, and a 3 band EQ with a low, mid, and high knob. Something that looks like this:



If its full of fail then oh well.


hmm yeah that is a possiblilty, i would rather keep it passive though to be honest.
thanks for your effort though

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#30
Like I said earlier, you dont need an on/off switch for your pickups if you have a volume control for them, when the volume is at 0, it is effectively off. I don't think you've fully thought through the controls if youre having an on/off switch and volume control for each pup.

I also still think the P pup is unneccessary. The Jazz pup will still be in the wrong place, having the jazz pickup in that position won't give you a jazz bass sound if that's what you want, it'll sound muddy and undefined just like a gibson equipped with a mudbucker sounds abeit a little less. If you want a P sort sound, I would do what Del suggested and go HH w/ coil tap and series/parallel or forget the jazz pup. If you want a jazz neck pup sound, remove the p pup and stick a single coil where it should go.

It's also a bit funny how you want a versitile pickup selection, but don't want to go active. Active would probably add much more versitility at your fingertips than having 3 different types of pickup

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#31
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Like I said earlier, you dont need an on/off switch for your pickups if you have a volume control for them, when the volume is at 0, it is effectively off. I don't think you've fully thought through the controls if youre having an on/off switch and volume control for each pup.


did you not read any of my posts? i changed the electrics, the knobs arnt puh/pull ones anymore.

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I also still think the P pup is unneccessary. The Jazz pup will still be in the wrong place, having the jazz pickup in that position won't give you a jazz bass sound if that's what you want, it'll sound muddy and undefined just like a gibson equipped with a mudbucker sounds abeit a little less. If you want a P sort sound, I would do what Del suggested and go HH w/ coil tap and series/parallel or forget the jazz pup. If you want a jazz neck pup sound, remove the p pup and stick a single coil where it should go.


i lined the j pup up perfectly on photoshop, it is in the normal jazz position.

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It's also a bit funny how you want a versitile pickup selection, but don't want to go active. Active would probably add much more versitility at your fingertips than having 3 different types of pickup


The point of the bass is that I want these three pickups in. If I have an active eq then I might as well just have one like a stingray. Then there would be no point making it as I could just go and buy a stingray.

There is also the fact that i dont want to spend money on active electronics!

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#32
too many pickups can hinder sustain, cos the magnets "pull" at the strings. However, I don't think this'll be a problem - I mean, It a bass so the strings are heavier and sustain is less of an issue than on a guitar, also, alot of basses come with two humbuckers, which amounts to about the same number of magnets as in your set up.

personally, well, I'm not a fan of the asthetics - but my oppinion shouldn't stop you, it's whether you like it or not.

have you thought about series/parallel switching, or phase switches?
You have to be careful how you wire it otherwise it turning one vol. knob to 0 could cause a short circuit, like on a les paul. Jazz basses have a nifty way of getting round this; the pot is wired kind of, upside-down?
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#33
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did you not read any of my posts? i changed the electrics, the knobs arnt puh/pull ones anymore.


i lined the j pup up perfectly on photoshop, it is in the normal jazz position.


The point of the bass is that I want these three pickups in. If I have an active eq then I might as well just have one like a stingray. Then there would be no point making it as I could just go and buy a stingray.

There is also the fact that i dont want to spend money on active electronics!

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Is that all to scale cause it doesnt look right to me when I look at the jazz bass on my lap. Make sure you to a to scale drawing with the exact dimensions, otherwise, your pickups wont fit.

Also wont the jazz pickup be pushing the P pickup back so that wont give you the P bass sound.

Do you realise how much you'll be spending on pickups? If you use Bartolini pickups, £100 for the humbucker, £100 for the split pickup, and I cant find an individual single coil neck but the bridge is £60. Thats £260 on pickups.

It's not cheap to buy all these pickups unless you go for no name, unbranded ones, and then you'd have a substandard sounding bass.

A 2 band active EQ is £100 from Bartolini. Thats probably worth more than that p bass pickup.

And single humbucker stingrays always sounds like a single humbucker stingray regardless of the EQ on it, that's why a H/S stingray is more versitile, I'd doubt you can get more tones with a bass with a H/P/S set up which is passive than a bass which is H/S with active electronics, you also know that they'd cost the same to build.

How are you gonna get around the different outputs of the different pickups too? You realise, the humbucker will be much much hotter than the other two, dont you?

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#34
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Is that all to scale cause it doesnt look right to me when I look at the jazz bass on my lap. Make sure you to a to scale drawing with the exact dimensions, otherwise, your pickups wont fit.?


it isnt perfect but it is pretty accurate. i will do a proper full scale drawing before i make it though, this is just a mock up.

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Also wont the jazz pickup be pushing the P pickup back so that wont give you the P bass sound.


yeah probably.

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Do you realise how much you'll be spending on pickups? If you use Bartolini pickups, £100 for the humbucker, £100 for the split pickup, and I cant find an individual single coil neck but the bridge is £60. Thats £260 on pickups.


who said i was buying barts? ill probably get used fender pups off of ebay for the p and the j and get a kent armstrong humbucker. either that or seymour duncans.

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How are you gonna get around the different outputs of the different pickups too? You realise, the humbucker will be much much hotter than the other two, dont you?


volume knob or a compressor thats what i use on my p bass with a humbucker in the bridge. if i ever use it a band situation im not gonna be changing my pickup selection mid song. so it'll be fine.

you're determined for this project to fail arn't you?

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#35
here is a mock up of the cherry one i want to do aswell, for BEADG tuning.





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EDIT: made a mistake on the machine heads. here is a better version with both designs together.



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#36
Is this one another bass you would like to build or is it how you want to finish your current one. If it is a different one, it is in the end way to close to th original one. I think HH or HS would be much better.
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#37
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Is this one another bass you would like to build or is it how you want to finish your current one. If it is a different one, it is in the end way to close to th original one. I think HH or HS would be much better.


They will be the same except for different tunings. One will be BEADG and the other will be EADGC with a drop d tuner.

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#38
No i meant you know th ebass you ar building at the mo ya, is this what youre ghoing to turn it into, ie the first option, or is it a completly different build.
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#39
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No i meant you know th ebass you ar building at the mo ya, is this what youre ghoing to turn it into, ie the first option, or is it a completly different build.


oh the one im building at the moment is like a cheap version of what i plan to do in the future. a prototype if you like? i've only spent like a tenner on materials so far for the one im currently building.

so it will be a completely different build with nicer wood and hardware.

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