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#1
Hey, i just purchased a used 2004 epiphone les paul standard plus top with seymour duncans with hard case for $400. It has new pots, switch, and etc. is this a good deal? I have it in my hand right now and it sounds absolutely amazing though. I used to have a schecter blackjack and fender standard (mexican) and this guitar sounds and plays much better. Also, is this a fake?

Update!

Ok the tuners were changed to grovers. My only concern is the logo right now. Some of the fakes out there are becoming more real and real. I can't say much about the electronics because the seller changed all the wires etc.









THanx!
Last edited by darkmichael65 at Jan 23, 2009,
#2
looks pretty legit to me. what would lead you to think it's a fake ?
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#3
i don't know why anybody would fake an epiphone, since epiphone is a fake gibson
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#4
Something looks odd about the Epiphone logo to me, but I've never really looked at the logo long enough before to commit it to memory.

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#6
I just got paranoid reading one of the ebay guides about fake made in china epiphone. Hopespaul, Gibson are awesome guitars. But, theyre so expensive.
#7
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Something looks odd about the Epiphone logo to me, but I've never really looked at the logo long enough before to commit it to memory.




i see what u mean the n's are odd
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#9
Looks very legit. If it was fake, it's a damn good fake.

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#10
i doubt anybody would waste their time throwing duncans in a fake epi.
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#11
If it really sounds as good and plays as well as you said, what does it matter if its a "fake" or not?

Its obviously a pretty sweet guitar according to you. $400 seems like a fair price if it beats out a $400 Schecter and Fender.

Still... it looks fine to me.
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#12
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i doubt anybody would waste their time throwing duncans in a fake epi.


Lol, maybe they would throw some fake duncans into this. You never know.
#13
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Lol, maybe they would throw some fake duncans into this. You never know.


haha
It's all about feel
#14
The epiphone tag is that painted or Mother of pearl? Fakes are normally painted, then again I know nothing of Epiphones, Thats still a nice axe tho.
#15
I just checked my Epi Les Paul Standard Plus top, and it looks like yours has tuners more like the Gibson ones, whereas mine are just standard Grovers. Also, my Epiphone logo is done in pearl inlay.

But let me point out, I got my guitar a few days ago, so it's most likely just minor differences between models that are a few years apart.

I'd say yours is real!
#16
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The epiphone tag is that painted or Mother of pearl? Fakes are normally painted, then again I know nothing of Epiphones, Thats still a nice axe tho.


Its mother of pearl. But, lots of fake epiphone still have mother of pearl logos. Those damn chinese ppl are experts at this going to guitar center and taking pics and writing down serial numbers. Not exactly a good thing. (Im chinese btw so no offense lol)
#17
Quote by darkmichael65
Its mother of pearl. But, lots of fake epiphone still have mother of pearl logos. Those damn chinese ppl are experts at this going to guitar center and taking pics and writing down serial numbers. Not exactly a good thing. (Im chinese btw so no offense lol)


that's more like a compliment
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#18
Quote by darkmichael65
Its mother of pearl. But, lots of fake epiphone still have mother of pearl logos. Those damn chinese ppl are experts at this going to guitar center and taking pics and writing down serial numbers. Not exactly a good thing. (Im chinese btw so no offense lol)


If the epi's are anything like the gibsons, this should clear it up.

http://www.gibson.com/en%2Dus/Lifestyle/Features/CounterfeitGibsons/
#20
Quote by darkmichael65
Thanx a lot. I guess the thing is real then. Just precrautionaries. THanx for all the replies.


idk your guitar has the 3 screws instead of 2, is that standard among epi's? It isn't among gibsons.
#21
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idk your guitar has the 3 screws instead of 2, is that standard among epi's? It isn't among gibsons.


Ahh that doesnt sound good. Its a plus top btw. I heard about the screw differences, but only in gibson. Can someone confirm that?
#22
Quote by darkmichael65
Ahh that doesnt sound good. Its a plus top btw. I heard about the screw differences, but only in gibson. Can someone confirm that?


I just looked at a few epi's on guitarcenter.com and they seem to have 3 screws as well, looks legit to me dude, enjoy it.
#23
tuners are different, the finish is kinda weird and the knobs dont look in line with each other....looks pretty fake
#24
Quote by darkmichael65
Ahh that doesnt sound good. Its a plus top btw. I heard about the screw differences, but only in gibson. Can someone confirm that?

the epi's have three screws. I've got an Epi standard in front of me right now, and to tell you the truth, that epiphone logo is completely different... ok, not completely, but the bottom of the N and top of the E are too rounded, compared to mine. Plus, the color of the logo is off, it's whiter than mine. The curvature of the divets on the top are also a little more pronounced than mine... but, when I look it up on google, there's about 30 differant epi standard headstocks... so, I couldn't say. What's the seriel number?
also, mine's a 96'
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#25
The serial number does work with guitardaterproject. Also, the tuners are changed to grover btw. My only concern now is the logo. Thanx for bringing that up. It is mother of pearl. But, everyone continuously claims its strange.
#28
Looks legit. you're good.
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#29
i'd probably take a well crafted fake over a real epiphone. way back when japanese instrument makers started making mandolins, even the best put a "Gibson" on the headstock because people simply wanted it to say Gibson. In some cases the instruments they crafted were better than the originals, according to my former host father, who is essentially the go to guy for bluegrass within japan.
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#30
Quote by darkmichael65
The serial number does work with guitardaterproject. Also, the tuners are changed to grover btw. My only concern now is the logo. Thanx for bringing that up. It is mother of pearl. But, everyone continuously claims its strange.

Mine's "mother of pearl" too, but a darker, deeper MOP. What did it say about your seriel number, exactly? Could be that yours is from a different Factory than mine. I know there are those discrepencies with guitars. Like the VM Thinline teles from one factory have one kind of F-holes, while the other factory have the Fender correct F-holes, just as an example.

It could be that yours was built in a differant factory than mine, and has a slightly differant headstock, or maybe they re-tooled the machines. I'm not saying that it's a fake, just... that it isn't 100% the same as my epi standard. But, there's also an 8 year difference between the two.
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#31
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But, there's also an 8 year difference between the two.


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#32
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i doubt anybody would waste their time throwing duncans in a fake epi.


+8, unless the the duncan logo is painted on hehehe
#33
The O in epiphone is different to mine.
Your O has the little gap at the bottom whereas mine is at the top.
Probably different factories/year of manufacture.
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#34
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The O in epiphone is different to mine.
Your O has the little gap at the bottom whereas mine is at the top.
Probably different factories/year of manufacture.


Yeh, i noticed different headstock logos amongst epiphone. Okay, i guess the guitar is authentic. Thanx.
#35
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I don't know that that's the absolute answer, cause Fender Mexis had the same headstock and logo from 1989 to 2009... so, that's a 20 year run on those...
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#36
The O in Epiphone has the little gap at the top on 2 Epi's I have here at my house. That could vary depending on the year it was made I'm not sure. Other than that it looks real. If it is fake you still got a good deal on it. The Duncan's run about $150, the case about $90 and the chrome Grovers are about $50 (plus new pots and switch). That's $300 or more in extras so it wasn't a bad deal.
#37
Yeah man, that looks pretty legit.
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#38
Quote by Thomme
I don't know that that's the absolute answer, cause Fender Mexis had the same headstock and logo from 1989 to 2009... so, that's a 20 year run on those...


i believe fender owns and operates the mexican factories which produce their guitars. epiphone on the other hand, contracts to independent factories nowadays which change over time.
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#39
Its an Epi,I wouldnt worry too much about it beign a fake unless you go with Gibson. If it plays,you like it,then get it.
#40
does it matter if its real or not? if it plays good and is built good who cares? its got Duncans and all new electronics in it right? so what does it matter?

id rather have a fake that plays better than a real epi rather than a real epi that plays bad. get what im sayin? just like the fake gibbys, if it plays at LEAST as good as an epi then for like $400 its a good deal!
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