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#1
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I'd imagine some of you would have some experience with the law in some shape or form.

So let me ask you this:

If I was carrying a knife in a rough part of town, out of sight, not used for robbery or muggings, and i was attacked by someone, would it be considered self-defence to stab him or slash with said knife to stop him?

I ask this because ive been seeing a few guys in threads saying that they are gonna be carrying knives for protection from chavs and the like from now on. This made me wonder, if you use a knife for self-defence, aren't you gonna be in more trouble than the guy that attacks you?

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#2
I don't think so, I'm not quite certain though. It probably depends on the amount of harm you cause to said chav.
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No, you'd get in more trouble.

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carrying a knife out of sight may get you in trouble
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Well as long you don't kill the person whose attacking you, I imagine you'll be all right.
#8
Well if I was carrying a knife and got attacked, I would stab/slash said attacker. If he runs off, don't give chase. Report to cops. If he falls to the floor, call the cops and an ambulance.

You should'nt have anything to worry about if you're defending yourself.

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#10
if everyone takes this opinion - which we pretty much do - then we're gonna end up with a stupid amount of stabbings every year... which we do. i say we all take the high-road, dont carry knives, and just avoid chavs unless youre up for a fight (i was in a fight today - no knives - and i ****ed the guy over, was hillarious). we dont need weapons to make fighting fun.
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if i remember right (im not 100% sure), if you bring a weapon like a knife you can get done for premeditated assault (or something), because you have brought a weapon and used it
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i my country self defense only applies if he tries to attack you when he's in your home already and you stab him



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#15
Self defense is using just the necessary amount of force to stop someone. If you exceed that amount of force, then you can get in trouble. I also don't think you can carry a switchblade or anything like that.

Edit: This is for the U.S. Not sure about other places.
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You won't be charged with batery or assault for hurting an assailant , or shouldn't be if, as already stated, you don't over do it; because that's self defence.
But you might be charged with carrying an illegal weapon, or concealing a weapon.
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if everyone takes this opinion - which we pretty much do - then we're gonna end up with a stupid amount of stabbings every year... which we do. i say we all take the high-road, dont carry knives, and just avoid chavs unless youre up for a fight (i was in a fight today - no knives - and i ****ed the guy over, was hillarious). we dont need weapons to make fighting fun.



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I dont believe you can carry knifes in the uk, so you might get in trouble for that.


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Anyways, as far as I know, he's right. You can't carry knifes in the UK. So you'd probably get charged for that.

But I can't see why shoving it up some guys ass if he tried to mug you (Or something similair) to be that bad.

It's his fault he got knifed, shouldn't be mugging people, well...
Shouldn't be mugging people that carry knifes.
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#19
first let me ask you about these "chavs".... I have no idea what they are, please someone elaborate

to answer your question, I highly doubt you could get in big trouble to carrying a knife... in any case the police will just confiscate it if they catch you with it... so it's worth it to carry it for safety imo
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Back in England, a guy got sent to prison for shooting an armed robber who is his home. Bad times....


i do not understand that...
so people are supposed to rely on the police to do everything? i guess there's no such thing as taking matters into your own hands these days.
doesn't it make sense to be able to take out an armed person in your home before he takes out you and your family?
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i do not understand that...
so people are supposed to rely on the police to do everything? i guess there's no such thing as taking matters into your own hands these days.
doesn't it make sense to be able to take out an armed person in your home before he takes out you and your family?


I agree. I mean there has to be a line somewhere, but it's a huge grey area really. It's hard to prove intent and things if one guy is dead.
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#22
In England you are allowed to carry a knife that does not lock or have any way of locking upright or flicking, permitting the blade is under 3 inches, this then stops it (apparently because you could still kill someone with a 3 inch blade) being deemed as a offensive weapon if stoped by the police, however I would recommend a swiss army knife, as this may type of blade is easily explained should a police officer search you (which he/she is in there powers to without good reason).

However, should you use the knife regardless of size, it is automatically deemed a offensive weapon (strange law I know, but hey I didn't make it up) So its chatch 22 really, if you take a blade out, make sure its small enough to not get you arrested, but remember that using it may land you a prison sentence ( 2yrs minimum i think for assult with a offensive weapon)
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i do not understand that...
so people are supposed to rely on the police to do everything? i guess there's no such thing as taking matters into your own hands these days.
doesn't it make sense to be able to take out an armed person in your home before he takes out you and your family?


in the uk, the government expects us to engage with our intruders in polite conversation
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i do not understand that...
so people are supposed to rely on the police to do everything? i guess there's no such thing as taking matters into your own hands these days.
doesn't it make sense to be able to take out an armed person in your home before he takes out you and your family?


It's because of a legal principle, the principle of proportionality, which is usually embedded in the criteria and sanctions of laws; essentially you cannot cause substantially more damage than you would suffer; that said you are allowed to defend yourself, but shooting some one robbing your house is seen as extreme. In some legal systems you can circumvent that by claiming the extenuate circumstances, and justifying the disproportionated response, and the system tends to favour the person who was suffering the crime that originated the confrontation.
#27
I think its within reasonable force, like you're only allowed to restrain them, which is bollocks
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In England you are allowed to carry a knife that does not lock or have any way of locking upright or flicking, permitting the blade is under 3 inches, this then stops it (apparently because you could still kill someone with a 3 inch blade) being deemed as a offensive weapon if stoped by the police, however I would recommend a swiss army knife, as this may type of blade is easily explained should a police officer search you (which he/she is in there powers to without good reason).

However, should you use the knife regardless of size, it is automatically deemed a offensive weapon (strange law I know, but hey I didn't make it up) So its chatch 22 really, if you take a blade out, make sure its small enough to not get you arrested, but remember that using it may land you a prison sentence ( 2yrs minimum i think for assult with a offensive weapon)


This.

Although I got away with carrying an hunting knife with me on the train. I told the policeman I had it on me, and showed him all my other hunting/camping stuff I'd bought and he let me carry it.
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In England you are allowed to carry a knife that does not lock or have any way of locking upright or flicking, permitting the blade is under 3 inches, this then stops it (apparently because you could still kill someone with a 3 inch blade) being deemed as a offensive weapon if stoped by the police, however I would recommend a swiss army knife, as this may type of blade is easily explained should a police officer search you (which he/she is in there powers to without good reason).

However, should you use the knife regardless of size, it is automatically deemed a offensive weapon (strange law I know, but hey I didn't make it up) So its chatch 22 really, if you take a blade out, make sure its small enough to not get you arrested, but remember that using it may land you a prison sentence ( 2yrs minimum i think for assult with a offensive weapon)


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#31
haha i like your way of thinking jimbob

this is the UK im talking about, where the nanny-state tries to ensure we are always on our best behaviour, annoyingly.

what about blunt trauma weapons? small/medium/large clubs for example (assuming you are able to hide them)? same? worse? better?
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#32
I almost always carry at least one, usually two.

And I would use it if someone attacked me and I couldn't take them without a knife.

And around here I think a club would just bring a different weapons charge.
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No, you'd get in more trouble.

A shotgun, on the other hand, is fine.


Yea but you have to saw it off other wise you always have that pesky bulge.
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Yea but you have to saw it off other wise you always have that pesky bulge.

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#35
You'll have a lot of trouble proving self-defence if you're found to be carrying an illegal weapon, in which case you could probably be charged with GBH or something
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#36
It would be difficult to convince the jury that you were carryiong a knife for self-defence, especially if they guy who attacks you isn't armed.
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#38
If you are carrying the knife in the context of a tool (you use it to open boxes and such) then that usually makes it so that you can't be charged with premeditated anything...however that can be hard to convince the courts.

Also, I don't know it works in England but over here in Canada we can use one step-up when defending yourself. So if someone is gonna stomp the **** out of you, you can pull a knife to defend yourself.
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In England you are allowed to carry a knife that does not lock or have any way of locking upright or flicking, permitting the blade is under 3 inches, this then stops it (apparently because you could still kill someone with a 3 inch blade) being deemed as a offensive weapon if stoped by the police, however I would recommend a swiss army knife, as this may type of blade is easily explained should a police officer search you (which he/she is in there powers to without good reason).

However, should you use the knife regardless of size, it is automatically deemed a offensive weapon (strange law I know, but hey I didn't make it up) So its chatch 22 really, if you take a blade out, make sure its small enough to not get you arrested, but remember that using it may land you a prison sentence ( 2yrs minimum i think for assult with a offensive weapon)


Shit, no locking knives? A knife with a lock makes it safer. At least for the user.
#40
if the blade is less than 3 inches long its legal to carry so would probably be considered self defense.....
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