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#1
So, how about a thread to discuss all piano and keyboard related instruments?
We could share songs, discuss techniques... whatever.

List of piano-based instruments (taken from Wikipedia.org):

Chordophones

* Clavichord
* Electric piano
o Clavinet
o Pianet
o Rhodes piano
o Wurlitzer electric piano
* Harpsichord
o Spinet
o Virginal
* Piano
* Tangent piano
* Bowed Clavier
* Hurdy gurdy

Aerophones

* Accordion
* Harmonium
* Melodeon
* Melodica
* Organ
o Pipe organ
o Reed organ

Idiophones

* Carillon
* Celesta
* Glasschord
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#2
sounds cool, I'm looking at getting a keyboard, I want to play techno/electronica stuff on it, but I also want to be able to play clean piano stuff, and some bell like sounds, anyone got any suggestions.

EDIT: **** yeah, first post
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#4
My piano teacher played Flight of the Bumblebee at extreme speed today at school.
It was insanely insane.

Quote by Boogie Man
sounds cool, I'm looking at getting a keyboard, I want to play techno/electronica stuff on it, but I also want to be able to play clean piano stuff, and some bell like sounds, anyone got any suggestions.

EDIT: **** yeah, first post

Hey, awesome.
Solitary Shell by Dream Theater has an awesome piano intro. It might not be what you're looking for, but sounds great.
Dream Theater have a lot of fantastic piano songs.
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#5
i think he's asking what would be a good keyboard to get not what songs lol. and sorry i cant help ya i got a crappy yamaha keyboard
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Quote by xsv434
i think he's asking what would be a good keyboard to get not what songs lol. and sorry i cant help ya i got a crappy yamaha keyboard

Oh, my bad.

What's your price-range?
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#7
Quote by Iriathz
Oh, my bad.

What's your price-range?



5 to 7 hundred, I could probably stretch a little above.
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#8
I've been looking at learning keyboard/piano... Anyone know a good place to start? I already have a keyboard, I just need to know a good place to start learning.
#10
so yeah, I'm not much of a keyboard-ist, but I do know my technology. I'm currently building a synth, I'd post pics but I'm not at home (babysitting).

Basically, it's an electric piano with an old PowerBook G4 integrated into it, and a few other little tricks.

So... you know... thought I'd throw that in there, give the ol' ego a boost.
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#11
Quote by jgbsmith
so yeah, I'm not much of a keyboard-ist, but I do know my technology. I'm currently building a synth, I'd post pics but I'm not at home (babysitting).

Basically, it's an electric piano with an old PowerBook G4 integrated into it, and a few other little tricks.

So... you know... thought I'd throw that in there, give the ol' ego a boost.



sounds cool, so, just for clarification, what makes something a synth?
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#12
I'm a huge keyboard/synth person. I just love the sound of it. Too bad I can't play for **** though
#13
Quote by Boogie Man
sounds cool, so, just for clarification, what makes something a synth?

I'm not particularly clear on the boundary, I'd imagine the main difference is the amount of effects or something like that. Mine will have a computer fully creating the sounds from a MIDI input, hence I can make any sound I want from it. I'd say that counts as a synth.

I suppose a keyboard is meant to replicate a piano/other keyboard instrument whereas a synth is designed to just make cool sounds.
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#14
My brother plays the keyboard. he's getting pretty good. I tease him by calling him the "staff chick" because if the stereotypical RPG party was a band, the staff wielding girl with the healing powers would play keyboard.
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Quote by Trefellin
My brother plays the keyboard. he's getting pretty good. I tease him by calling him the "staff chick" because if the stereotypical RPG party was a band, the staff wielding girl with the healing powers would play keyboard.


That's so random but awesome, who would be the bassist?

I play on an old yamaha keyboard at the moment, looking to upgrade to something less midi sounding for recordings though. Also getting alot better at it is another focus.
#16
hmm, I've just been looking at beginner sorts of keyboards, I don't suppose anyone has any experience with Ashton stuff?
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#17
Quote by Sylvanus
That's so random but awesome, who would be the bassist?

I play on an old yamaha keyboard at the moment, looking to upgrade to something less midi sounding for recordings though. Also getting alot better at it is another focus.


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#18
Quote by jgbsmith
I'm not particularly clear on the boundary, I'd imagine the main difference is the amount of effects or something like that. Mine will have a computer fully creating the sounds from a MIDI input, hence I can make any sound I want from it. I'd say that counts as a synth.

I suppose a keyboard is meant to replicate a piano/other keyboard instrument whereas a synth is designed to just make cool sounds.


yeah, that's it. a synth you make the sounds. like it has a saw, a square, and a sine wave oscillator for example, and you make sounds based off that by changing things. like using filters, and changing the attack, decay, sustain, release, etc.

that always confused me too-the difference between a synth and keyboard.
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Quote by randomthought9
yeah, that's it. a synth you make the sounds. like it has a saw, a square, and a sine wave oscillator for example, and you make sounds based off that by changing things. like using filters, and changing the attack, decay, sustain, release, etc.

that always confused me too-the difference between a synth and keyboard.

I just had a thought. I'm building this thing, but I never really gave any thought towards software. So, does anyone know of a good piece of synth software for Mac that works off a MIDI input (and doesn't cost too much)?
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#20
Quote by jgbsmith
I just had a thought. I'm building this thing, but I never really gave any thought towards software. So, does anyone know of a good piece of synth software for Mac that works off a MIDI input (and doesn't cost too much)?


i use vanguard. it's a good program, and pretty easy to use. it's $100, so it's pretty inexpensive. i really like it, anyone can use it, it's so user friendly, and you can good some cool sounds out of it.

http://refx.com/?lang=en&page=products/vanguard/summary

#21
For anyone wanting to learn some hard keyboard stuff, check out Dream Theater.
Have a listen to Solitary Shell, for example - it has a great keyboard intro.
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#22
Advice to TS: Look at my old Synth Thread and get info from there to add to yours.
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#24
Some useful websites:

Free VSTi Plugins:
http://www.tweakbench.com
http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/PLUGINS_VSTI/freeware/

Synth Infos:
http://www.vintagesynth.com
http://www.rolandus.com
http://www.oldschool-sound.com (In French)

Synthesis Theory:
http://www.sfu.ca/~truax/fmtut.html FM Synthesis
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstri...821/analog.html Substractive Synthesis

DirtyEdit: Iriathz, you should put this in the OP.
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#25
Quote by DirtyMakik
Advice to TS: Look at my old Synth Thread and get info from there to add to yours.

Oh, crap - sorry, didn't know you'd already made one.

Do you want me to delete this, or is it fine?
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#26
Quote by Iriathz
Oh, crap - sorry, didn't know you'd already made one.

Do you want me to delete this, or is it fine?


Mine is beyond the 30th page fo'sho.

It's fine.

I can help too.

I can create Patches for: Yamaha DX7s, Roland SH-201 and some VSTis.
and also I know sh!t about vintage analog synths.
funkyducky


Icing happen when de puck come down, BANG, you know,
before de oder guys, nobody dere, you know.
My arm go comme ça, den de game stop den start up.

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#27
Quote by DirtyMakik
Mine is beyond the 30th page fo'sho.

It's fine.

I can help too.

I can create Patches for: Yamaha DX7s, Roland SH-201 and some VSTis.
and also I know sh!t about vintage analog synths.

Ah ok, and awesome.
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#28
I've been thinking of getting a microkorg to mess around on for a while. I have no idea how to play piano though, is it easy enough to get a feel for playing a synth?
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Quote by StreetLight3989
I've been thinking of getting a microkorg to mess around on for a while. I have no idea how to play piano though, is it easy enough to get a feel for playing a synth?


Playing a MicroKorg =/= Playing a piano.

Keys have no feel(non-weighted/no aftertouch) and are like 1/2-sized.

But yeah it's quite easy to pull off things like Popcorn or Take On Me with such small mean synth
funkyducky


Icing happen when de puck come down, BANG, you know,
before de oder guys, nobody dere, you know.
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#30
Quote by DirtyMakik
Playing a MicroKorg =/= Playing a piano.

Keys have no feel(non-weighted/no aftertouch) and are like 1/2-sized.

But yeah it's quite easy to pull off things like Popcorn or Take On Me with such small mean synth

Cool, I didn't really mean it was like playing a piano, but I know that knowing where all the notes are on a piano would really help while playing a synth. Is that part easy enough to figure out?
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Quote by StreetLight3989
Cool, I didn't really mean it was like playing a piano, but I know that knowing where all the notes are on a piano would really help while playing a synth. Is that part easy enough to figure out?


Yup

White key just before the set of two black keys is a C.

Black keys: C#-D#-*hole*-F#-G#-A#-*hole*-...
White keys: C-D-E-F-G-A-B-...

That's all.
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#32
Thanks
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#33
Quote by randomthought9
i use vanguard. it's a good program, and pretty easy to use. it's $100, so it's pretty inexpensive. i really like it, anyone can use it, it's so user friendly, and you can good some cool sounds out of it.

http://refx.com/?lang=en&page=products/vanguard/summary


cheers
that looks like exactly what I'm looking for, I'll try out the demo once I've finished building the synth, and the internal computer is over the minimum system requirements! (just - it's an 867Mhz G4) €90 is a little more than I'd like to pay, but I realie that I'm not going to get anything good for less.
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Quote by Dr.Pain-MD
jgbsmith - there literally thousands of free synths alot of which kick ass. www.kivraudio.com is just about the only source you will need.

sweet. Thanks, like I said, I never really considered software when I started building the thing.
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#36
Does anyone know anything about the Roland SH-201, it looks pretty cool, any advice regarding it?
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#37
It's pretty good. A simple subtractive synthesizer. Don't expect it to be extremely versatile though.
#38
Quote by Dr.Pain-MD
It's pretty good. A simple subtractive synthesizer. Don't expect it to be extremely versatile though.



cool, what sorts of things is it capable of?, can it do techno style stuff like Enter Shikari?
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Quote by Boogie Man
cool, what sorts of things is it capable of?, can it do techno style stuff like Enter Shikari?

Enter Shikati is not techno (or anywhere close). It is capable of pretty much all your basic subtractive synth stuff plus it has the supersaw waveform which is great (probably what most people would associate with "techno"). The synth architecture is fairly standard for a subtractive synth (oscillators to filters to amplifier with amplifier/filter envelopes) so it won't blow your mind, but is great nonetheless.
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