#3
Modern metalcore and modern melodeath are really similar (being the main reason why I dislike both of them for the most part).
Yes, metalcore has chugging breakdowns in some cases, but obviously not all of them do, and just because a band has a breakdown doesn't make them metalcore.
The difference is just something you can "feel" after a while; you're just able to tell.
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Melodic Death Metal sounds very epic, while Metalcore sounds very dirty and thrashy.

At least by my experience. I'm not a metal guy.
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Modern metalcore and modern melodeath are really similar (being the main reason why I dislike both of them for the most part).
Yes, metalcore cas chugging breakdowns in some cases, but obviously not all of them do, and just because a band has a breakdown doesn't make them metalcore.
The difference is just something you can "feel" after a while; you're just able to tell.

+1
#8
Metalcore is (well, was intended to be) melodic death metal with more of a hardcore vibe going on (which somehow translates to breakdowns nowadays). Melodic death metal (again, was intended to be) death metal with more melodic melodies instead of atonal riffing.
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The stereotypical melodeath bands have keyboards with death metal-style vocals, but more with a groove. Look at bands like Children of Bodom

Metalcore bands are basically thrash metal bands that have lead vocals with screaming/growls, and really only the chorus and the backing vocals will have melodic singing, either replacing or going along with it. Bands like All That Remains are perfect examples

I can't stand Metalcore, and only a little Melodeath is cool. I'm more into older metal, and both of these genres didn't come out to the 90's, MAYBE late 80's at the earliest

Metalcore = Thrash metal (Metallica, Slayer, etc) with Death metal (Death, Possessed..) smashed together

Melodic Death Metal = Death Metal and Power/Progressive Metal put together
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#10
so what would metalcore be if it didn't have the breackdowns? i dont listen to melodic death metal, unless thats what dethklok is counted as melodeath. but i do listen to a lot of metalcore so i can say they also usually have clean verses but thats melodic metalcore (Trivium BFMV and waking the fallen from A7X ) but i also listen to straight metalcore like Unearth all of which have breakdowns usually before the solo. if i'm not mistaken All That Remains is metalcore as well but i only have overcome and i've never really payed close enough attention to hear breakdowns, and Five Finger Death Punch is somewhere in metalcore i think melodic but most of their entire song is a breakdown until the choruses which have a lot of nice mini solo backing progressions.
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Not all Metalcore sounds like Melodeath though. Bands like As I Lay Dying have obvious Melodeath influences, whereas Lamb of God and Killswitch Engage don't.

I find Metalcore to be really redundant though, with the exception of a few bands which shall not be named due to my not wanting to start an argument.
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Metalcore = Thrash metal (Metallica, Slayer, etc) with Death metal (Death, Possessed..) smashed together

wtf

if you were to put slayer and death together by no means would get ****ing metalcore
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Metalcore = Thrash metal (Metallica, Slayer, etc) with Death metal (Death, Possessed..) smashed together

Melodic Death Metal = Death Metal and Power/Progressive Metal put together

Okay, so basically you're an idiot. Got it.
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REAL metalcore is a fusion of metal and hardcore (short for hardcore punk), and it is for the most part, quite decent.

Melodic metalcore is the watered-down melodeath you guys speak of, and it is mostly shit, throwing breakdowns everywhere for the fuck of it, cause it makes scene kids orgasm. They make music for the crowd, not for themselves, and as such they're hardly different from other mainstream bile.

They should honestly call it something else, not metalcore :s, because there isn't any hardcore in there, and the metal is so bastardized that it doesn't deserve the tag.

Examples of good metalcore: Botch, Converge, 7 Angels 7 Plagues, Shai Hulud, Premonitions of War, Architects, Protest the Hero.
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1. Melodic Death Metal is good
2. Metalcore is bad.
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Melodic Death Metal sounds very epic, while Metalcore sounds very dirty and thrashy.

At least by my experience. I'm not a metal guy.

Clearly.

EDIT: They both suck.
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The stereotypical melodeath bands have keyboards with death metal-style vocals, but more with a groove. Look at bands like Children of Bodom

Metalcore bands are basically thrash metal bands that have lead vocals with screaming/growls, and really only the chorus and the backing vocals will have melodic singing, either replacing or going along with it. Bands like All That Remains are perfect examples

I can't stand Metalcore, and only a little Melodeath is cool. I'm more into older metal, and both of these genres didn't come out to the 90's, MAYBE late 80's at the earliest

Metalcore = Thrash metal (Metallica, Slayer, etc) with Death metal (Death, Possessed..) smashed together

Melodic Death Metal = Death Metal and Power/Progressive Metal put together

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I thought we were talking about Modern Melodeath and Modern Metalcore.

EDIT: Besides, I meant the genres in general, there are a few melodeath bands I like, but it's in general a horrible genre.
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I thought we were talking about Modern Melodeath and Modern Metalcore?


I consider converge metalcore
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I consider converge metalcore

I know they're Metalcore. Read the edit of my other post, btw.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Converge was the band that basically popularized (if not created) the whole idea of metalcore, right? Just curious, I'm not really familiar with them but I've heard good things.
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REAL metalcore is a fusion of metal and hardcore (short for hardcore punk), and it is for the most part, quite decent.

Melodic metalcore is the watered-down melodeath you guys speak of, and it is mostly shit, throwing breakdowns everywhere for the fuck of it, cause it makes scene kids orgasm. They make music for the crowd, not for themselves, and as such they're hardly different from other mainstream bile.

They should honestly call it something else, not metalcore :s, because there isn't any hardcore in there, and the metal is so bastardized that it doesn't deserve the tag.

Examples of good metalcore: Botch, Converge, 7 Angels 7 Plagues, Shai Hulud, Premonitions of War, Architects, Protest the Hero.

well i have to say something to that, i listen to melodic metalcore, and musically speaking i enjoy it. but as you say melodic metalcore bands make music for the fans and not for themselves, but I want to make music that sounds like that for myself because i like melodic heavyness, so you can't really say all melodic metalcore is for mainstream success. and i believe in my opinion that Trivium does a good job of keeping the metal in their songs at least on Shogun.
and on another note where does Unearth fall, they have breakdowns but they still have that Metalcore spirit of "kick you in the teeth" so are the regular metalcore or what?
and Protest the hero is a subgenre of Metalcore they're aren't straight metalcore they devulge into mathcore, but nonetheless you can definately hear the punk/hardcore influences in their songs.
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Ah I see, then I'd say I probably agree. Although I really like the Black dahlia murder despite their genericness.

And to the guy who asked Converge was I think one of the founding bands of metalcore, but oddly enough, they don't sound like what you think of when you think of metalcore. They're are an extremely heavy band, heavy in the sense that their sound weighs down on you. And vocals are one of the most insane things I've ever heard in music.
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Ah I see, then I'd say I probably agree. Although I really like the Black dahlia murder despite their genericness.

And to the guy who asked Converge was I think one of the founding bands of metalcore, but oddly enough, they don't sound like what you think of when you think of metalcore. They're are an extremely heavy band, heavy in the sense that their sound weighs down on you. And vocals are one of the most insane things I've ever heard in music.

Hmm... I may have to check them out then. What's a good starting album?
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Ah I see, then I'd say I probably agree. Although I really like the Black dahlia murder despite their genericness.

And to the guy who asked Converge was I think one of the founding bands of metalcore, but oddly enough, they don't sound like what you think of when you think of metalcore. They're are an extremely heavy band, heavy in the sense that their sound weighs down on you. And vocals are one of the most insane things I've ever heard in music.


Exactly. Most good metalcore bands are old, and they sound nothing like the current crap that calls itself metalcore.

I've referred to this misconception so many times

And like I said earlier, I wish all the modern metalcore would stop calling itself metalcore, as it's what causes this confusion :|
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REAL metalcore is a fusion of metal and hardcore (short for hardcore punk), and it is for the most part, quite decent.

Melodic metalcore is the watered-down melodeath you guys speak of, and it is mostly shit, throwing breakdowns everywhere for the fuck of it, cause it makes scene kids orgasm. They make music for the crowd, not for themselves, and as such they're hardly different from other mainstream bile.

They should honestly call it something else, not metalcore :s, because there isn't any hardcore in there, and the metal is so bastardized that it doesn't deserve the tag.

Examples of good metalcore: Botch, Converge, 7 Angels 7 Plagues, Shai Hulud, Premonitions of War, Architects, Protest the Hero.



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Modern metalcore and modern melodeath are really similar (being the main reason why I dislike both of them for the most part).
Yes, metalcore has chugging breakdowns in some cases, but obviously not all of them do, and just because a band has a breakdown doesn't make them metalcore.
The difference is just something you can "feel" after a while; you're just able to tell.

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REAL metalcore is a fusion of metal and hardcore (short for hardcore punk), and it is for the most part, quite decent.

Melodic metalcore is the watered-down melodeath you guys speak of, and it is mostly shit, throwing breakdowns everywhere for the fuck of it, cause it makes scene kids orgasm. They make music for the crowd, not for themselves, and as such they're hardly different from other mainstream bile.

They should honestly call it something else, not metalcore :s, because there isn't any hardcore in there, and the metal is so bastardized that it doesn't deserve the tag.

Examples of good metalcore: Botch, Converge, 7 Angels 7 Plagues, Shai Hulud, Premonitions of War, Architects, Protest the Hero.

Both of these sum up my theoretical replies and as such are worthy of being enumerated as a form of response to show my agreement.
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Exactly. Most good metalcore bands are old, and they sound nothing like the current crap that calls itself metalcore.

I've referred to this misconception so many times

And like I said earlier, I wish all the modern metalcore would stop calling itself metalcore, as it's what causes this confusion :|

most of the time, bands don't label themselves their fans do and so do the people who hate them. and you'd have a hard time getting people to change their conception of bands. for example just because i remember reading about it My Chemical Romance has stated numerous times that they are not an emo band anymore they are rock band, and its the people who hate them that label them as emo, their fans label them whatever the band wants them to, and reviewers will call them what they think is popular at the time in that vein of music culture. so you'd have to change the mentalitly of every single person who listens to music to stop calling bands in the melodic metalcore genre melodic metalcore, and just a question what would call the genre i'm trying to think of one but i can't think of anything that fits.
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Heaven Shall Burn.
Everyone calls them metalcore.
If you listen to them, they're melodeath with some chug riffs every now and again and a few breakdowns. No core vocals, no two step parts, no pointless breakdowns, with death vocals, In Flames riffs and an admirable view on the world.
But no. Because they came out around the same time as Caliban and all the other "modern metalcore" bands, they instantly got lumped in the same group.
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^ (F8iscruel) yeah, you make good points.

I suppose it'll take guys like me (and magero) till the end of eternity to explain to the uninformed folk the monumental difference between good and bad metalcore :P
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^ yeah, you make good points.

I suppose it'll take guys like me for the end of eternity to explain to the uninformed folk the monumental difference between good and bad metalcore :P

yah or you could just listen to the good stuff, and chuckle silently to yourself when you hear two people talking about metalcore bands that aren't actually metalcore, hell you might end up chuckling at me if you do
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