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I like my tone now, but it seems a tad bright and I'd like to give it warmer tone, especially for solos.

All my guitars are Mahogany, amp has KT77's, and custom wound Invaders (only on white one).

Now, when i solo i switch to the neck pickup. Could it be the pups in the black Syn? They are Duncan Designed HB-108's (even crappier Invader). If i were to change them out, I'd look for something warm yet high output
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Last edited by bjovi400 at Jan 26, 2009,
#2
try just rolling the tone knob back a little bit, add some reverb and EQ it differently
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#3
Well, that is another thing I'm in the habit of doing, lol. It does work by rolling the tone knob back, and i always use reverb. But i was wondering if there was any other way. Thanks bro
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#5
Is the tone knob a master? If so, then just rewire it so that it only affects the neck pickup and keep it rolled off
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#6
get an overdrive pedal with a tone control or some sort of eq, that way for solos you can add a bit more gain as well as warm up your tone if you set the tone knob down.
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#7
Slap some Pure Nickel strings on your axe - or maybe even bright flatwounds like D'Addario Chromes. Also lower the pickups a little.
If that doesn't do it, you might want to consider a speaker change.
#8
A speaker swap may be in order. I know these amps react strongly to preamp tube swaps as well.
Do you know what brands and types of preamp tubes are in the amp?
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#9
it has all Fender rebranded 12AX7 and the same only 12AT7 in the PI.
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#10
Add some Mid-bass whit an EQ and cut a little bit on the higher frequencise.
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it has all Fender rebranded 12AX7 and the same only 12AT7 in the PI.
If I were you I would put JJ ECC83S's in the amps V1 & V2 spots. This will darken and smooth out your amps tone.
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#12
whats you're EQ look like if your mids are scooped add some mids it'll help a whole lot
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#13
EQ my friend. More mids and a little bit of delay will thicken your sound.

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#14
like every one else said, EQ and if you use a lot of reverb roll off it a little
#15
i use light delay and reverb all the time. and my EQ is

Gain: 7
Bass: 5.5
Mid: 4
Treble: 6

that's where it's at now, but every few times i play it, I'll adjust certain things ever so slightly but moving mids doesn't do anything for darkness. Like i said, the only thing that really works is rolling back the tone knob on my guitars.

I'm not looking for thickness, i'm literally looking for... warmth... lol. I just want to darken it up a bit, ... since the XXX is bright too
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Last edited by bjovi400 at Jan 27, 2009,
#16
The Synyster Gates guitar has a Floyd right? You're gonna need to lower your treble to account for the added brightness of a Floyd.
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#17
it's the same for my C1


Lowering my treble doesn't darken it up, it only adds more bass and mids due to the active EQ.

See how I'm kinda stuck here? lol
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Last edited by bjovi400 at Jan 27, 2009,
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it's the same for my C1


It could just be some overly bright pickups then. The flatwound strings suggested earlier would be good for giving you a warmer, mellower tone.
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#19
lower your treble and presence.
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#21
Quote by bjovi400
i use light delay and reverb all the time. and my EQ is

Gain: 7
Bass: 5.5
Mid: 4
Treble: 6

that's where it's at now, but every few times i play it, I'll adjust certain things ever so slightly but moving mids doesn't do anything for darkness. Like i said, the only thing that really works is rolling back the tone knob on my guitars.

I'm not looking for thickness, i'm literally looking for... warmth... lol. I just want to darken it up a bit, ... since the XXX is bright too



more mids less trebble and bass could probaly stay the same waybut if you get like a 10 band eq pedal youll have more control and will be able to make it warmer too
#22
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lower your treble and presence.

read my posts, i've already tried this
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maybe you need a new amp.

what kind of music do you play?


(sorry, i know you are an amp expert - just throwin that out there)

I'm not an expert, i just know a lot obout Peaveys amps and no i don't need a new amp, it took me so long to get this thing, and i love it. I just want a few ways to 'darken' or 'warm' it up
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more mids less trebble and bass could probaly stay the same waybut if you get like a 10 band eq pedal youll have more control and will be able to make it warmer too

Tried adjusting the EQ, it doesn't really work too well for adding warmth or darkness. And i am looking at perhaps a 10-band EQ pedal, speaker swap, new preamp tubes, and maybe pickups.

amirite?
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Quote by bjovi400
read my posts, i've already tried this

I'm not an expert, i just know a lot obout Peaveys amps and no i don't need a new amp, it took me so long to get this thing, and i love it. I just want a few ways to 'darken' or 'warm' it up

Tried adjusting the EQ, it doesn't really work too well for adding warmth or darkness. And i am looking at perhaps a 10-band EQ pedal, speaker swap, new preamp tubes, and maybe pickups.

amirite?



depending on wich speaker, i dont know enough about the different brands/types sorry lol, but that would definately help i fyou want it like permenantly changed, i would try the eq pedal first if you just dont like the brightness of the amp but you like the over all tone
#24
Triple XXX from my experience is just a naturally bright amp. You already use a mahogany guitar, already running kt77s, you might want to try new speakers. Another option is that you might want to try some new pickups, though I think switching speakers may make a bigger impact.

Maybe some pickups like these?
http://www.wcrguitar.com/herc.html

I haven't tried them myself but they get glowing reviews (like pretty much all of his pickups) from just about everyone who has.

Or pickups like these?
http://www.wcrguitar.com/fillmore.html

I have the Fillmores in my guitar, they're not really high output pickups (more like overwound vintage pickups, but are super versatile), but they're definitely the warmest pickups I've ever used. The highs have a lot of bite, but not really the edgy kind of grind making them sound really smooth with a very creamy texture. Listen to the sound clips, they're very accurate.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=349730&content=songinfo&songID=6572910

There is another clip, which I really like, the harmonic detail is just extraordinary. They're not "dark," but they are warm sounding, and have a very "vocal" kind of tone. You might like them for whatever music you play. Definitely consider pickups like these if you are looking for new ones and can spend in the $300 range. Look around the web, brands like WCR aren't really that popular around here (where everyone uses either EMGs, Duncans or Dimarzios), but everyone who has tried them pretty much love them. That being said Jim Wagner is a cool dude himself.
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read my posts, i've already tried this


i did and you have your Treble at 6.

like i said, lower it.

Presence also controls the frequencies above Treble, try lower that too if you have one.
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i did and you have your Treble at 6.

like i said, lower it.

Presence also controls the frequencies above Treble, try lower that too if you have one.

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Lowering my treble doesn't darken it up, it only adds more bass and mids due to the active EQ.

See how I'm kinda stuck here? lol

See how I'm kinda stuck here?
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See how I'm kinda stuck here?

lower all of your knobs by one notch.
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#28
that doesn't warm it up! I've tried all of the EQing i could do with the amp. I'm satisfied with the tone, i just want it darker. If that makes any sense. I will try a 10 band EQ, and new tubes. I do need them
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Schecter C-1 Elite *still sexy*
Ibanez AEL 12-string

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#29
Using a heavier string gauge will give a thicker, richer sound. Also, your pickups ideally need to have Alnico magnets to get the warmth. Using 250K pots instead of 500K pots will also shave off more treble and darken the overall sound.
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#30
a 10 band (or even a danelectro fish n chips 7 band) Eq pedal is a addition to anyones pedal board. If you need new tubes anyway, then you should get those but always keep in mind that you can pick up a decent eq pedal for 30 bucks and it could really help add warmth. Even if you can't find a good setting for you they are always handy to have and help shape your tone a lot more than 3 band. Plus active eqs can get tricky.
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#31
If rolling back the tone knob does the trick, I don't see why it's a problem to just do that.

But, maybe try some different preamp tubes. JJs?

Also, to whoever suggest pure nickel strings, that's not a bad idea. I use GHS Nickel Rockers on my Strat because they are a bit warmer than your standard Ernie Ball, etc. strings.

Strings and tubes aren't going to change your tone's character, but they would help a little bit.
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#32
It may not help you but when I'm feeling like I need more "warmth" I turn the reverb up a notch or two. Just throwing that out there.
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#33
Invaders aren't exactly the warmest pickups ever.
I know your guitar is mahogany, but it's a rather thin mahogany with a thin neck if I recall properly, which will reduce the warmth the wood would usually impart.
Running a thin guitar with really hot pickups into a peavey amp is not a good way to get a warm tone. You're probably going to have to change one of those things or make a significant addition somewhere else (EQ pedal, tubes, etc).
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Quote by bjovi400
read my posts, i've already tried this

I'm not an expert, i just know a lot obout Peaveys amps and no i don't need a new amp, it took me so long to get this thing, and i love it. I just want a few ways to 'darken' or 'warm' it up


OK. That's cool. I wasn't trying to be sarcastic. I just didn't want to insult you so I called you an expert. That was based on other intelligent posts I've seen from you regarding amps. I love the XXX so don't get me wrong. It just seems like you've been thru all the suggestions made and are still not totally satisfied. Roc just made a great observation as well. bright + bright + bright = bright. right?
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OK. That's cool. I wasn't trying to be sarcastic. I just didn't want to insult you so I called you an expert. That was based on other intelligent posts I've seen from you regarding amps. I love the XXX so don't get me wrong. It just seems like you've been thru all the suggestions made and are still not totally satisfied. Roc just made a great observation as well. bright + bright + bright = bright. right?

oh ok, It's not that I'm not satisfied with the suggestions, it's just that further EQing the amp does absolutely nothing to darken it up and i always use a bit of reverb and a splash of delay. I do however realize that perhaps a 10 band EQ, new pups, tubes especially (considering the ones in there now), speaker swap, or a combination of all of these can help

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Invaders aren't exactly the warmest pickups ever.
I know your guitar is mahogany, but it's a rather thin mahogany with a thin neck if I recall properly, which will reduce the warmth the wood would usually impart.
Running a thin guitar with really hot pickups into a peavey amp is not a good way to get a warm tone. You're probably going to have to change one of those things or make a significant addition somewhere else (EQ pedal, tubes, etc).


My Syn Custom and Standard are strangely different when it comes to wood characteristics, actually. What i mean is, that my Custom (still made from Mahogany) is the same thickness & size as my Standard, only sounds much brighter and lighter (wood-wise) than my standard, which I find odd considering the price difference and presumably higher grade materials. Both aren't Les Paul size and thickness, obviously, but I wouldn't call them thin bodied/necked at all.

Would anyone hapen to know what kind of tubes they really are now? all i know is that they are all stamped and worn looking with the Fender logo and 12Ax7 & 12At7
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Last edited by bjovi400 at Jan 28, 2009,
#36
Fender makes good tubes right?
Those preamp tubes you have...prolly bright but could be dark. Buy some new ones that are darker. I don't remember how many they have. Pics? Yes a combination of things will help over all. Download the manual.
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#38
^cool. can you count the fender tubes that are there now. Those should be easy to replace. JJs yep....i think 12AX7 and 12AT7 right? At least that is my immediate thought....along with some of the other suggestions.
#39
Fender tubes are pretty mediocre tubes, in my experience, assuming they actually make the preamp tubes. Their power tubes are usually Groove Tubes. I'm sure the preamps are relabeled something or other.

But I do think tubes would be the easiest and most dramatic fix, short of getting an EQ pedal, I guess.
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#40
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^cool. can you count the fender tubes that are there now. Those should be easy to replace. JJs yep....i think 12AX7 and 12AT7 right? At least that is my immediate thought....along with some of the other suggestions.

why count them, 3 of the 12Ax7's and 1 12At7 in the PI. all the same Fender logo and color writing
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