Poll: NHS?
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View poll results: NHS?
From USA, we should have NHS
50 22%
From USA, we shouldn't have NHS
37 16%
Not from USA, they should have NHS
124 55%
Not from USA, they shouldn't have NHS
16 7%
Voters: 227.
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#1
So pit, do you think the USA should bring in a National Health Service like that in Canada, UK, France and almost all other European countries?

For those who don't know, it would be funded by almost everyone, for everyone. You would get unlimited health care no matter how expensive your treatment or how long it takes. I don't know how much Americans pay for health insurance but i doubt it would be a huge difference to pay for an NHS, besides, you're guaranteed to be treated whereas insurance companies can, and do turn people down for life saving treatment.

Yay or nay? and why?

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#3
yes the US should have their own NHS,they should have always had their own NHS
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#4
Aye

Although we would need to do minor cuts in other areas
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#5
I'm for it... healthcare is a need same as police, firefighters, schools... it shouldn't be entrusted to private business.
#6
they should, but really it would be so difficult for the USA to implement it.
#7
The tax on cigarettes pays for most of our NHS. Then the NHS tries to get you to quit. I trust nobody who bites the hand that feeds them.



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#8
Yes, we definitely should.
Too many people are living **** lives because of the fact that insurance companies run the health system. My dad can't even get proper care because the insurance companies will not pay for the pain medication he needs..

Yeah, we would need to cut in other areas but I think it is completely worth it.
#9
I think a national health service would be a bit much for the USA to handle in regards to administration and standards. Could you ensure that 52+ states had the same standards?

I think you'd have to look a State wide health services, so state taxes would pay for your healthcare.

I'm the UK, just those points popped up for me.
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#11
hmmm the NHS in england is understaffed in staff who do the doctoring and nursing and overstaffed with administrators. Its also very dirty in a lot of hospitals with no where near enough room. America would have to try very hard to get it to work well and in the current economic situatiion thats not gonna happen.
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#12
France has one... IDTS?
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#14
I can't really think of any reason why any nation doesn't deserve it's own NHS.
#15
The notion that the NHS is somehow some terrible organistation seems to be perpetuated by most Americans.

If you havn't watched 'Sicko' by Michael Moore I suggest you take a look. Obviuosly you must take EVERYTHING with a pinch of salt but some of his points are hard facts.

In rankings of global healthcare services the NHS trounces the USA good and proper.

Free and unlimited healthcare to all, regardless of money or status. Sounds pretty good to me.
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#18
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Free and unlimited healthcare to all, regardless of money or status. Sounds pretty good to me.

How is it free if we're all paying for it?
#19
Yes. I'm not from the USA, but I think they should have a system where all the country chips in and pays for one another. Its a lot better than private. Its a lot fairer, and means everyone gets free surgery
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#20
Absolutely the US should have it. Shouldn't even be a question.
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#21
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How is it free if we're all paying for it?


Well let's say you need an appendectomy.

The taxes you've paid through the course of your life will just about a tenth of that cover that.

So buy one appendectomy, get every other medical procedure ever done, free.
#22
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Well let's say you need an appendectomy.

The taxes you've paid through the course of your life will just about a tenth of that cover that.

So buy one appendectomy, get every other medical procedure ever done, free.


So it's not free.
#23
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Well let's say you need an appendectomy.

The taxes you've paid through the course of your life will just about a tenth of that cover that.

So buy one appendectomy, get every other medical procedure ever done, free.

That's not free. Plus what if I never need any surgery in my lifetime, I'm still paying taxes for other peoples.

On second thought, I have a paper to finish and an exam tomorrow so I don't want to get too far from my train of thought
#24
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That's not free. Plus what if I never need any surgery in my lifetime, I'm still paying taxes for other peoples.

On second thought, I have a paper to finish and an exam tomorrow so I don't want to get too far from my train of thought



But what of you do and you can't afford it? I bet you'll wish you had an NHS where other people can pay for your treatment then won't you.
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#25
For far too long in this country has viewed health as a priviledge.
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#26
National health care!? That's.... that's.......


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#27
See the concept of "free" healthcare is immpossible. We would all pay for it in taxes. I do believe that the insurance companies are ****ing everything up, but do I think there are better ways to go about it than implementing a NHS? Yes I do
#28
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See the concept of "free" healthcare is immpossible. We would all pay for it in taxes. I do believe that the insurance companies are ****ing everything up, but do I think there are better ways to go about it than implementing a NHS? Yes I do



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#29
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See the concept of "free" healthcare is immpossible. We would all pay for it in taxes. I do believe that the insurance companies are ****ing everything up, but do I think there are better ways to go about it than implementing a NHS? Yes I do

NHS doesnt mean free healthcare. No one (that has any idea what they are talking about) said its free.
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#30
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No, we should not have it. People should be responsible for their own health costs. If they need additional financial support, that's what charity organizations are for. If you want to be generous and help out those facing health ailments, donate to the appropriate charity. Don't try and force others to donate, that's about as dumb as a mandatory volunteering system. I do not support government involvement here, it should be a private matter.


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#31
Quote by RU Experienced?
That's not free. Plus what if I never need any surgery in my lifetime, I'm still paying taxes for other peoples.


Do you have no interest in the welfare of others? Helping your fellow man etc?
#32
The NHS in Britain needs an efficiency overhall. But yes I think the cost of medical care should be spread among the masses, in the form of taxation.
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#33
Canadian here, and it boggles my mind how a nation can call itself the greatest country in the world when they willingly let babies and small children die of simple, preventable causes just because they were born to poor families makes me sick to the very pit of my stomach

Oh, and anyone that voted no to NHS deserves to have all their money stolen from them and hit by a car, I'm not even joking
#34
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The NHS in Britain needs an efficiency overhall. But yes I think the cost of medical care should be spread among the masses, in the form of taxation.



I'd sooner get treated back in England than I would in the USA.

In all my hospital visits over the years I would have racked up a bill of ten of thousands of dollars if it wasn't for the NHS, and I've never had to wait longer than an hour in a central London hospital.
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#35
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I'd sooner get treated back in England than I would in the USA.

In all my hospital visits over the years I would have racked up a bill of ten of thousands of dollars if it wasn't for the NHS, and I've never had to wait longer than an hour in a central London hospital.

For what kind of procedure. My Aunt had to wait 2 months for a major breast cancer operation...

And anyway efficicency doesn't necessarily denote not being able to fit patients in, it's about how much of the money we pump into the NHS actually comes out as useful output.
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#36
Looking at the poll, almost everyone from outside the US thinks we should have it, while a slight majority in the US thinks we shouldn't. What's wrong with this country?

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#37
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Looking at the poll, almost everyone from outside the US thinks we should have it, while a slight majority in the US thinks we shouldn't. What's wrong with this country?

*sigh*

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#38
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For what kind of procedure. My Aunt had to wait 2 months for a major breast cancer operation...

And anyway efficicency doesn't necessarily denote not being able to fit patients in, it's about how much of the money we pump into the NHS actually comes out as useful output.


There are problems with it I admit that. It's by no means perfect but it's far better than being refused treatment under a private system and dieing needlessly. I think the NHS prioritise things, so if your Aunt had a heart attack or brain tumor that was an immediate risk to her life they would treat her there and then. People don't realise how good we have it health wise.

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Yet you guys have public police, schooling, fire depts and postal services and so on...
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#39
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No, we should not have it. People should be responsible for their own health costs. If they need additional financial support, that's what charity organizations are for. If you want to be generous and help out those facing health ailments, donate to the appropriate charity. Don't try and force others to donate, that's about as dumb as a mandatory volunteering system. I do not support government involvement here, it should be a private matter.


Wow, so we should rely on third parties for health care, and charities? And then you go to say that if you dont want to donate dont do it?

So you advocate underfunded charities taking care of over 300 million people.

Man thats a smart move
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#40
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There are problems with it I admit that. It's by no means perfect but it's far better than being refused treatment under a private system and dieing needlessly. I think the NHS prioritise things, so if your Aunt had a heart attack or brain tumor that was an immediate risk to her life they would treat her there and then. People don't realise how good we have it health wise.
Yeah I'll agree with that. I am fully in support of the NHS in principle, in practice however it's quite inefficienct in parts.
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