# Math Final Tomorrow - Can Anyone help with this one quesion?

I have my math final tomorrow and can't seem to contact anyone in my math class at the moment, so I decided to turn to the collective brain of the Pit.

Determine the value(s) of k in the equation so that one root is double the other root:
4x² + kx + 4 = 0

edit: I had written that i need the value of x, but i need the value of k, if that helps
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Last edited by AC/DC10 at Jan 28, 2009,
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The answer is 7.
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What a coincidence, I have a math final tomorrow too. What are you taking?

Math 11 lol

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I have my math final tomorrow and can't seem to contact anyone in my math class at the moment, so I decided to turn to the collective brain of the Pit.

Determine the value(s) of k in the equation so that one root is double the other root:
4x² + kx + 4 = 0

edit: I had written that i need the value of x, but i need the value of k, if that helps

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I failed math. Ha.

The answer is 7.

actually the answer is +/- 6 square root 2

i just need to find out how to get there
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actually the answer is +/- 6 square root 2

i just need to find out how to get there

Lol, I threw a random number out there. I'd rather die than attempt to solve that equation.
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Lol, I threw a random number out there. I'd rather die than attempt to solve that equation.

Yeah hahaha
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I forget how to do this :P All i nknow is that the discriminant of the equation (b^2-4ac) has to be >0. And a (alpha) = 2b (beta), from the fact that the roots of an equation is a and b (i.e. (x-a)(x-b)=0)

I can't help.
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I forget how to do this :P All i nknow is that the discriminant of the equation (b^2-4ac) has to be >0. And a (alpha) = 2b (beta), from the fact that the roots of an equation is a and b (i.e. (x-a)(x-b)=0)

I can't help.

Are you saying that i have to use that quadratic formula? or the thing thats like the quadratic formula but not over 2a?
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Make sure to use the quadratic equation and keep the k in there, then reduce it and it should make it much easier to see.

I'll at least help you out and give you what it should look like in the quadratic form:

4x² + kx + 4 = 0

x = ( -k ± √[k² - (4)(4)(4)] ) / [(2)(4)]

I don't know what level math you are taking so I don't know how well you can solve that, but if I notice a reply here and you need more help I'll be back to help...IF I'm still on and notice, haha.
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try using the quadratic formula then substitute?

or what he said ^^
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Make sure to use the quadratic equation and keep the k in there, then reduce it and it should make it much easier to see.

I'll at least help you out and give you what it should look like in the quadratic form:

4x² + kx + 4 = 0

x = ( -k ± √[k² - (4)(4)(4)] ) / [(2)(4)]

I don't know what level math you are taking so I don't know how well you can solve that, but if I notice a reply here and you need more help I'll be back to help...IF I'm still on and notice, haha.

YES I think thats just what I needed!
Thanks man!
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Haha, no problem. It just might be a little difficult to work out though because of the variable under the square root, but not terribly crazy. Best of luck!
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So now I have k±√(k²-24) / 8
What do I do from here?
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So now I have k±√(k²-24) / 8
What do I do from here?

Would it not be sqrt(k^2) - sqrt(24)? or k - sqrt(24)?

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Would it not be sqrt(k^2) - sqrt(24)? or k - sqrt(24)?

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Im not sure, and I just copied and pasted what mhylands said to get the symbols haha
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FOIL that shit brah.

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So now I have k±√(k²-24) / 8
What do I do from here?

Well, now you just solve for k.

First of all (4)(4)(4) = 64,

You have k ± √(k²-64) / 8 = x. You'll want to split it up into two equations. You'll have k + √(k²-64) = x and k - √(k²-64) = x. Just from common sense, you know that the latter has to be the smaller of the two, and you know that the two roots you are looking for must be double one another, so you can substitute it as k + √(k²-64) = 2[k - √(k²-64)]. Which further reduces to k + √(k²-64) = 2k - 2√(k²-64). Then you will subtract like terms, so make it so that you have 3√(k²-64) = k. Now you can solve for k by first bring the 3 over, so it'd be √(k²-64) = k/3. Followed by squaring both sides to get things evened up. So it'll be k²-64 = k²/9. Multiply both sides by 9. 9k² - 576 = k². Then move over like terms again, so 8k² = 576. Divide both sides by 8, so k² = 72. Then k = √72 which reduces to k = 6√2. Then you can plug this number into the two separate equations k + √(k²-64) = x and k - √(k²-64) = x to verify the roots are double one another.

As for (x+10)², that is equal to x² + 20x +100.

Hope this helps you out, and that you actually understand it, haha, :P.

EDIT: PS, the k is equal to ±6√2, so you'll have to actually try both +6√2 and -6√2 in the equation to verify which one actually works, but I'm pretty sure it's the positive 6√2.

EDIT2: Haha, didn't realize how many posts got on here before my first post, so yeah I didn't see the post where you put the answer, I guess it is just ±6√2 then XD.
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Last edited by mhylands at Jan 28, 2009,
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Well, now you just solve for k.

First of all (4)(4)(4) = 64,

You have k ± √(k²-64) / 8 = x. You'll want to split it up into two equations. You'll have k + √(k²-64) = x and k - √(k²-64) = x. Just from common sense, you know that the latter has to be the smaller of the two, and you know that the two roots you are looking for must be double one another, so you can substitute it as k + √(k²-64) = 2[k - √(k²-64)]. Which further reduces to k + √(k²-64) = 2k - 2√(k²-64). Then you will subtract like terms, so make it so that you have 3√(k²-64) = k. Now you can solve for k by first bring the 3 over, so it'd be √(k²-64) = k/3. Followed by squaring both sides to get things evened up. So it'll be k²-64 = k²/9. Multiply both sides by 9. 9k² - 576 = k². Then move over like terms again, so 8k² = 576. Divide both sides by 8, so k² = 72. Then k = √72 which reduces to k = 6√2. Then you can plug this number into the two separate equations k + √(k²-64) = x and k - √(k²-64) = x to verify the roots are double one another.

As for (x+10)², that is equal to x² + 20x +100.

Hope this helps you out, and that you actually understand it, haha, :P.

EDIT: PS, the k is equal to ±6√2, so you'll have to actually try both +6√2 and -6√2 in the equation to verify which one actually works, but I'm pretty sure it's the positive 6√2.

What happens to the denominator?
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What happens to the denominator?

Haha, sorry, I forgot that. Basically just multiply 8 to the x, so you'll have 8x = EQN(k), and then when I said the whole doubling thing you'd have 8EQN(k₁ = 16EQN(k₂ which reduces to just being EQN(k₁ = 2EQN(k₂ like I had, haha, sorry, hope that clears it up.
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You have k ± √(k²-64) / 8 = x. You'll want to split it up into two equations. You'll have k + √(k²-64) = x and k - √(k²-64) = x. Just from common sense, you know that the latter has to be the smaller of the two, and you know that the two roots you are looking for must be double one another, so you can substitute it as k + √(k²-64) = 2[k - √(k²-64)]. Which further reduces to k + √(k²-64) = 2k - 2√(k²-64). Then you will subtract like terms, so make it so that you have 3√(k²-64) = k. Now you can solve for k by first bring the 3 over, so it'd be √(k²-64) = k/3. Followed by squaring both sides to get things evened up. So it'll be k²-64 = k²/9. Multiply both sides by 9. 9k² - 576 = k².

Isnt it -k? So wouldnt that change it somehow? Im getting some funny answers...

Im about to collect like terms, but I have -k+√(k²-64) = -2k - 2√(k²-64)

So then Id get k = -3√(k²-64)

Which goes to -k/3 = √(k²-64)

square everything : k²/9 = k²-64

Multiply by 9: k² = 9k²-576

Like terms: 8k² = 576

Divide by 8 : k² = 72

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Isnt it -k? So wouldnt that change it somehow? Im getting some funny answers...

Alright, well I'll actually do it a little more in depth then, haha.

You have k ± √(k²-64) / 8 = x. Multiply both sides by 8 and split the equations. You'll have k + √(k²-64) = 8x and k - √(k²-64) = 8x. Then you can substitute it as 8[k + √(k²-64)] = 2(8)[k - √(k²-64)]. Which you cancel out the 8's and then reduce to k + √(k²-64) = 2k - 2√(k²-64). Then everything goes on the same after that.
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Last edited by mhylands at Jan 28, 2009,
Thanks man, I got it. I really appreciate your help and time that you had to put up with me for hahaha. Thanks a lot!
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Thanks man, I got it. I really appreciate your help and time that you had to put up with me for hahaha. Thanks a lot!

No problem, I'm very glad that I could help out,
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