#1
i have a guitar with a floyd rose without a cavity. it is a fender strat with a floyd rose mounted on it. does it need teh cavity to work well? i have seen that most charvels have them mounter like this. please help me out. Thanks in advanced!
#2
I think you can't pull up without a cavity.

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#3
Is the Floyd like a custom you got installed?

If it came with a tremolo system, are you sure its just a stock fender tremolo or an actual Floyd Rose?
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Um... are you sure its not the Floyd rose-ish thing Fender puts on its strats?

I've never heard of an FR without a cavity, you'd destroy the body of the guitar when you released...
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You can do a top mount floyd, it just wont be able to pull up, just dive
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I believe that Richie Sambora's signature fender has this, and you can only pull down, not up.
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Thats fine its actually easier to change tunings/strings that way
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Wow, that's interesting.
I'm guessing the "usual" cavity is there, but not one that will enable it to be pulled up.

I quite like it.
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hmm ok i think im goin 2 sell for like 300 because i want one of those new blackstar mini stacks.
#16
how much would it b for the part of the FR where the trem arm screws on 2. that popped out and i lost it.
#17
Yes this is not that odd.

A lot of people put blocks of same wood as their guitar in cavity based floyd's so when they snap strings it doesn't downtune the entire guitar + easier restring and tuning overal.. That's basically the advantage.

Down side = you can't pull up.

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I think you can't pull up without a cavity.


you can if you raise the action, but not all that much.
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Um... are you sure its not the Floyd rose-ish thing Fender puts on its strats?

I've never heard of an FR without a cavity, you'd destroy the body of the guitar when you released...


Its called a flush mounted Floyd. Old school, the way it used to be done. A lot of artists still prefer this method. The guys from Iron Maiden, EVH, Sambora, DiMartini to name a few. I prefer it this way as it adds sustain and better tone and I couldn't care less about pull ups.

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Quote by chryee090130
i have a guitar with a floyd rose without a cavity. it is a fender strat with a floyd rose mounted on it. does it need teh cavity to work well? i have seen that most charvels have them mounter like this. please help me out. Thanks in advanced!

you cant pull them up

they dive fine though!
and also dont go all out of tune when you break a string

my peavey wolfgangs trem is also like this


edit: the new charvel i tried was un-recessed, but still had a bit of pull up, a little less than a tone raise in pitch
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#22
^ yeah, that's what i mean, if you set them up to float (like e.g. a strat trem) you can get a little up-pull...

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Its called a flush mounted Floyd. Old school, the way it used to be done. A lot of artists still prefer this method. The guys from Iron Maiden, EVH, Sambora, DiMartini to name a few. I prefer it this way as it adds sustain and better tone and I couldn't care less about pull ups.


i can't get past how much fun pull ups, gargles etc. are...
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i can't get past how much fun pull ups, gargles etc. are...


They're fun for sure but I also have a phobia that I'll snap a string and it'll fling me in the eye I'm kidding ......but it could happen

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yeah, by gargles i mean flutters.

i wear glasses. could still hit me in the eye but at least i have some protection
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It's an old manner of installing the Flyod Rose. Some prefer this method to a floating tremolo, you don't have to bother mucking about with the string tension then.

While some have stated the advantages of a flush mounted FR, I don't see the point of it... Why get a Flyod Rose when you can only get push down on the bar? I feel it defeats the purpose of FR.
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#27
i got hit in the eye by pulling down on a recessed floyd rose and breaking the string hurt like hell couldnt see right for a few days. but i prefer non recessed floyd roses ill mod one if i have to so it doenst recess
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It's an old manner of installing the Flyod Rose. Some prefer this method to a floating tremolo, you don't have to bother mucking about with the string tension then.

While some have stated the advantages of a flush mounted FR, I don't see the point of it... Why get a Flyod Rose when you can only get push down on the bar? I feel it defeats the purpose of FR.


There is a point to it and also cause of course it can be done, its a personal preference some like myself prefer. I do understand what you mean though but then again what I don't see a point in is people buying a guitar with a recessed floating trem, then blocking it altogether.
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It's an old manner of installing the Flyod Rose. Some prefer this method to a floating tremolo, you don't have to bother mucking about with the string tension then.

While some have stated the advantages of a flush mounted FR, I don't see the point of it... Why get a Flyod Rose when you can only get push down on the bar? I feel it defeats the purpose of FR.

Well seeing as that's how they were originally installed, i wouldn't say that it defeats the purpose of one. You still get a lot more range than other trems and great tuning stability.
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EVH has a flush-mounted FR, and he has no problems.
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Well seeing as that's how they were originally installed, i wouldn't say that it defeats the purpose of one. You still get a lot more range than other trems and great tuning stability.


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There is a point to it and also cause of course it can be done, its a personal preference some like myself prefer. I do understand what you mean though but then again what I don't see a point in is people buying a guitar with a recessed floating trem, then blocking it altogether.


Please don't get me wrong, I understand the benefits of having a flushed FR, just that for me, I'd get a FR because I want to be able to pull and push on the FR. To me it kinda seems pointless to me to remove one of its main selling points.

That said, I do agree, there is greater range, tuning stability, possibily better sustain than if you have a recessed FR. Of course its a matter of personal preference too.

aaaand yup DSOTM80, I don't see the point in buying a FR and then blocking it either. You'd be better off buying an axe with a vintage trem or a stop-tail piece.
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All the floyd roses i installed on my guitars are flush mounted except for the one for my brothers guitar I installed it reccessed cause thats how he wanted it... he acctually posted up above me (JessyB96)...lol
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Well i do agree with you there but i think people that do buy a non-recessed and block it probably do so because they don't want the hassle/function of a floyd but want the function of the tuning stability, mainly.
This is pretty much it. A vintage style vibrato can't dive as smoothly, fast and as far as even a non-floating Floyd can, and a decent Floyd with fine tuners and locking nut will stay in tune pretty much forever whereas a vintage vibrato will go out of tune if you do a lot of dives.

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I believe that Richie Sambora's signature fender has this, and you can only pull down, not up.
Indeed. In his words, the one time he did have a fully recessed Floyd Rose, it snapped the B and high E strings, they flew up and lashed his arm. Considering how little he was using it to pull up anyway, he stuck to just diving and switched pulling up to regular bends.

I myself am planning out a Strat build which will be mostly like his Fender but with a couple of things from his Kramers added, and it's definitely getting a non-recessed Floyd bridge.
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#35
Without a cavity, it would just be dive-only, as I'm sure many people will have already said.
#36
Its a non-recessed floyd,cant pull up because of the missing cavity. I have one on my richie sambora stratocaster, cant pull up, but it has better sustain and makes string changing easier than ur average FR.
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EVH has a flush-mounted FR, and he has no problems.


well, not trem-related, anyway...

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and for the last time, you can pull up slightly on a non-recessed floyd, if you set it up to float.
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